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On December 03 2011 08:51 OmniEulogy wrote:
personally I find T the hardest race for me to play. Masters P / Diamond Z and then idk... T is just difficult for me to play because it requires more than 50apm to macro effectively and I've gotten too used to spamming w-ssssszzzzz. Keep fighting!
i'll try, it's kinda disheartening being stuck in diamond for months though :/
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dude i was about to make a blog about this as well, i'm in the same exact position as you haha. just went like 4-18 on ladder so frustrating >.<;; Every match up is insanely hard and one single bad engagement and the game is over T_T.
definitely give the MLG reps a look and maybe consider mech in TvZ, marine tank is insanely hard and sucks pretty bad late game. and dropping is definitely not good against a smart zerg if they just put up some spines at each base and hold off till mutas.
today some zerg messaged me after he beat me today saying "how did you get to diamond, oh right you're terran"
such a difficult game mannn, you just have to stay strong and ladder on
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On December 03 2011 08:29 IlIlIlIl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 08:23 KhAmun wrote:On December 03 2011 08:21 IlIlIlIl wrote:On December 03 2011 07:59 liberal wrote:
"I could have been masters if I chose a different race!"
lol, ok dude. That makes perfect sense because there are so few terrans in master. Maybe instead of blaming the game for your losses, you could blame yourself. And then maybe you would, like, actually improve.
Unless you just like to take credit for your wins and make excuses for your losses, because you play to stroke your ego. Then keep it up. I do blame myself, and I also blame me choosing terran instead of p/z. It takes much much more practice if you want to play macro games vs. the other races compared to zerg/protoss. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Stay in diamond league, stay blaming your race, stay bad. what race are you?
I play zerg not that it's relevant.
You whining that other races take less skill is not only baseless but it is irrelevant to why you aren't in master league. You aren't in master league because YOU aren't good enough at one aspect or another of the game. There are difficulties that each race and each playstyle suffers, and I'm sorry you're having difficulty getting over yours, but it is YOUR fault.
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On December 03 2011 07:16 IlIlIlIl wrote:
i'm so frustrated right now, i'm losing games left and right and I can never seem to improve with terran. Right now I'm top 8 diamond and I've been this rank for months now. terran at this level is so fucking hard compared to the other 2 races it's almost stupid. If you don't have perfect micro vs. banes/fungals or vs. temps/colossi you lose. you have to constantly harass the other player, which I cannot do with my limited apm. on the other hand protoss and zerg are free to just mass up their fucking armies and roll me over. It's such a fucking joke. I could have been masters by now if I used a different race because they don't die because of a fucking micro mistake or because they don't harass effectively. Idk what to do, because I like playing as terran, i love their units (siege tanks esp. <3) but it's so much harder to win games right now. and the worst part is people bming me because i'm terran, even tohugh it's probably harder than p/z... Idk just needed to vent.
The solution to your problem is in your own statement. You say Terran is harder and you are probably also drawing the conclusion that Terran is UP. DON'T. Nothing hurts improvement more than that assumption.
Also, mechanics are easy to improve. Just play tons of games and push your mechanics in each one.
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You need to stop blaming the game and start blaming yourself. Terran is not much harder than protoss or zerg at diamond/master level. There is probably some flaw in your play that is causing you to lose, and instead of finding that flaw and blaming yourself, you're telling yourself that you can't improve because of your race!
You complain about protoss and zerg requiring way less micro, and the splash damage being really hard to deal with. Have you played as early game protoss against 1/1/1s and 2rax timings? Protoss straight up die if they mismicro 1 unit.
As for the splash damage, as terran you have the BEST tools in the game to deal with it. Ghosts rape the shit out of templar and infestors, if you use them properly. With a healthy viking and marauder count, there's no need to be afraid of collosus. If splash units are still giving you a problem, try tweaking your ghost/viking numbers. Blanket his army with emps before a fight and attack with the vikings from an angle against the collosus.
Game balance doesn't mean shit until tournament level. To improve in SC2 you have to come to the realization that you suck. You won't improve if you have a big ego. "I could have been masters by now if I used a different race because they don't die because of a fucking micro mistake" Bullshit.
I've laddered 3 seperate accounts to masters, one with each race. Terran does not require some gosu level micro or more control than the others to get into masters. Don't give up on terran, you'll get into masters as soon as you realise that you suck and start actively trying to identify and fix your own mistakes, I guarentee it.
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I was in your position before. Then I manned up and realized it wasn't Terrans fault and that I needed to improve my mechanics. Then I got into Masters.
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stick with it in Sc2 you are really just playing yourself and as someone who used to be in your exact spot I will tell you that when you finally learn to get some decent marine splits down or other good micro it will feel amazing, much more so then if you hit masters with hive tech fungal+broods
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Yeah bro ur losing cause of your race and not cause you suck or anything. You've stayed at the same rank because you haven't improved or don't want to put in the effort to improve. If ur incapable of splitting ur marines and just wanna 1-a then u deserve to stay in diamond. tbh i really think you should switch races it'll give you a better perspective on ur opponents thought process if nothing else.
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Switch to another race and see how it is. The grass is always greener, I doubt you'd get out of diamond with either of the other races.
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Terran is significantly harder at an amateur level, either accept it, or switch.
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I was in a similar position to you, but worse (rank 20 like forever in diamond lololol, then intense winning streak up to rank 1, then losing streak but that's k lol). If you're on NA, try stopping by the chat channel Practice Lounge. I went there, found some practice partners, and my gameplay has improved. 
EDIT: There's people of all various type of leagues, so if you want to offrace practice too, totally can :D
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As one who has played Terran at top 8 dia and slightly lower with Protoss... I do think that Terran is harder to WIN games with... but easier SURVIVE games with... I mean, Terran feels like the most resilient and scrappy of the races, and while in some ways Protoss is leagues easier, I feel like Protoss loses on the accidental loss of just a few key units.
In other words, i L i L i L i L... Keep it up, play harder and better. It will never get easier, only more satisfying
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You're limiting yourself by making excuses for why you're bad. If the race you're playing is too hard then you should probably consider playing another race. I think that you will find all the races to be just as difficult and that you're taking your race for granted.
Blaming the race is also cowardly because it hurts your ego the least. It's hard to admit that you suck at the game and that the player that beat you is better than you, but it's reality. Just get better at the game. If you can't then I suggest you at least keep an open mind and respect the other races/players and their skill.
I personally find terran easier to play than zerg. It took me a lot less time to get to masters with terran than with zerg.
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Okay. Let us say all your assumptions are true. Terran is truly UP. Well There are still tons of Terrans doing well with this "UP" race, so why can't you? If its a micro problem, then work on it. Posting on TL doesn't improve marine splits...wpm maybe 
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There should be a dedicated thread somewhere called "I can't improve/get promoted because of imba/cheese/etc etc". It would be thousands of pages long by now.
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I'm a protoss main, playing terran for fun. Accidentally got my friend's account (on which I play terran) to the same level as my main. When I play protoss it's very structured and "pure" - I won't all-in, I won't do cheesy/gimmicky/abusive strats (get your laugh out of the way). Always start with a FE build, defend, get a quick third, defend, etc, then overwhelm with units. With terran I just do whatever I feel. 1/1/1, 1 base marauder hellion vs Z, cloak banshee, 14 cc, etc. I also constantly throw my army (usually just marines/marauder/medivac) into the front of his base, drop in the back, do both at once, etc. In other words - I play terran very freely since it's not my main and I feel less pressure to play "properly", if that makes sense. The surprising thing is that this playstyle is just as effective, if not more effective, than my safe and "pure" protoss playstyle. I think my protoss playstyle was overly stale and had a very passive/safe mindset, and I'm going to do the same thing with protoss when I start laddering it again.
If you feel like you're playing terran in a very organized and structured manner, try to mix it up: overcommit with your army, trade armies willingly, expand when you might not be entirely safe. Playing like that has done a lot to teach me about my limits/terran limits and I've been very surprised with what is possible. It's a ton of fun to play aggressively, plus NA master league is basically about putting on pressure and aggression until the other guy crumbles, so I daresay it would help your win rate too.
To address your OP now that my unorthodox idea is out of the way: when you say that you "have to harass" and protoss can just "sit back and a-move", that's very true. I will readily admit that I had almost no multitasking skill when I only played protoss, and that playing terran has improved my skill in that area dramatically. But look at the other side of the coin. You might think "harass is necessary or I lose", but when I play protoss I think "if I don't defend his harass well enough with my subpar multitask, I lose". When I play protoss I also think "I'm just sitting here with my army because I'm too scared to move out because I can't retreat from stim/concussive/vikings faster than colossus, so I can't punish his greed I just have to hope he isn't being greedy". I exploit both of these mindsets when I play the opposite matchup - TvP. I constantly harass with my units, try to exploit 1a-syndrome/difficulty of splitting up your army on the fly, and expand aggressively. dropping in the back of a protoss player's main and stimming in to snipe the third is such a simple strategy, but you'd be really surprised at how often it works at even a pro level. What I'm trying to say here is: "perspective". Keep a positive mindset, don't let what people say about terran OP (especially on ladder haha) get to you, try to think about what gives the other races a hard time.
Hope this helped at least a little bit. GLHF
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Just wait till you get to masters/GM with Terran. You'll look back on this post and think, "damn i shoulda switched back then." lol.
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Or keep playing Terran and feed on those whiny Zergs. Lemme share some of them:
- I commit to marine/tank/banshee -> zergdude keeps pumping roaches/hydras; before ragequitting he says "omg your race is so full of shit", like it's MY race and I own it; trollololol;
- I decide to go straight off mech play when I see a random baneling nest dropped; guy keeps pumping banelings and nothing else; he called Terran "a race op for noobs"
- I decide to go with my banshee (no cloak) around min 11, just because I figure fast lair is going to screw my cloak rush anyway. But I go for scout + some drone kill. "wow you are so terrible cheeser" and X has left the game.
So my point: keep on playing man; I get that feeling vs good Zerg that Terran has big issues late game, but there are answers and this "noob race" I find it the most fun and micro intensive one. Also the constant aggression you need to do . Keep your face up, check some pro replays and you will find answers to your problems and start winning, and then nothing will feel better.
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