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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-26 06:36:37
December 02 2011 22:16 GMT
#1


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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
December 02 2011 22:21 GMT
#2
Hihi I've been struggling lately as well. The MLG replay pack from providence was released. Lots of realllllly good Terran replays to study. MVP TvT is sickkkkk amazing. I still haven't even gone through most of them but when I watch top Koreans it always helps.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 02 2011 22:24 GMT
#3
On December 03 2011 07:16 IlIlIlIl wrote:
terran at this level is so fucking hard compared to the other 2 races it's almost stupid. If you don't have perfect micro vs. banes/fungals or vs. temps/colossi you lose. you have to constantly harass the other player, which I cannot do with my limited apm. on the other hand protoss and zerg are free to just mass up their fucking armies and roll me over. It's such a fucking joke. I could have been masters by now if I used a different race because they don't die because of a fucking micro mistake or because they don't harass effectively. Idk what to do, because I like playing as terran, i love their units (siege tanks esp. <3) but it's so much harder to win games right now. and the worst part is people bming me because i'm terran, even tohugh it's probably harder than p/z... Idk just needed to vent.

Have you tried playing zerg/protoss at top 8 diamond level, or is all that just based off assumptions? Being master league with all races, I'd say that you're mostly wrong in your statements.
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
December 02 2011 22:24 GMT
#4
Its kinda the same for p, miss 1 ff...

Interestingly im thinking of switching to terran from protoss. T is just reallyfucking mechanically hard.

Tenplar/fungal/ghoat are similar though. And collo < viking :o

If apm is the problem work on it!

But i feel you. Tvp is annoying because i can never just attack after theyget their nat
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
SeRenExZerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States401 Posts
December 02 2011 22:27 GMT
#5
put yourself in the other two races shoes. dont just ASSUME terran is harder. so many terrans do this, and i really dont know why. I've played both terran/zerg for a very long time, and i will give you that playing terran at a high level is VERY hard, but zerg is too. each race is hard in their own right, i challenge you to try fighting off allins or defending multiple drops with zerg while keeping your macro up. i cannot comment on which race is truly the hardest, though, because i do not play the game perfectly and neither do you.

everyone always wants to say their race is the hardest to play thereby making themselves look like they have more skill. play all 3 races an equal amount, play them to their fullest potential, and maybe then you will have an idea of what is truly hardest.
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
December 02 2011 22:31 GMT
#6
On December 03 2011 07:27 SeRenExZerg wrote:
put yourself in the other two races shoes. dont just ASSUME terran is harder. so many terrans do this, and i really dont know why. I've played both terran/zerg for a very long time, and i will give you that playing terran at a high level is VERY hard, but zerg is too. each race is hard in their own right, i challenge you to try fighting off allins or defending multiple drops with zerg while keeping your macro up. i cannot comment on which race is truly the hardest, though, because i do not play the game perfectly and neither do you.

everyone always wants to say their race is the hardest to play thereby making themselves look like they have more skill. play all 3 races an equal amount, play them to their fullest potential, and maybe then you will have an idea of what is truly hardest.

there was a thread awhile back that had polls where people voted for which race was hardest at each level. Zerg was voted hardest at lower levels, and then terran was hardest in the diamond/masters range while protoss was hardest at pro level. Once you know how to macro decently, terran becomes significantly weaker because you also have to have really good micro because of all the splash damage the other races have.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
December 02 2011 22:33 GMT
#7
There will always be another mountain to climb, just making sure you keep climbing and don't get disheartened and fall off.
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MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
December 02 2011 22:50 GMT
#8
maybe you should try to work on another style!
you say you have limited apm and dont want to play too multitask-heavy. especially in TvZ you can adapt to your strengths and weaknesses. goody is really succesful and i doubt he has higher APM than you.
play with more tanks so you have to micro a lot less (just run away with your marines and let the tanks do the work).
maybe you can use the thorzain style of leapfrogging slooooooooooowly but surely around the map.
turtle more. play macro heavier. you can do it!
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
December 02 2011 22:55 GMT
#9
On December 03 2011 07:50 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
maybe you should try to work on another style!
you say you have limited apm and dont want to play too multitask-heavy. especially in TvZ you can adapt to your strengths and weaknesses. goody is really succesful and i doubt he has higher APM than you.
play with more tanks so you have to micro a lot less (just run away with your marines and let the tanks do the work).
maybe you can use the thorzain style of leapfrogging slooooooooooowly but surely around the map.
turtle more. play macro heavier. you can do it!

I do macro and turtle lol, the problem is I use marine/tank in tvt and tvz and then i have to use bio in tvp, so you have to have a lot of multitasking and good micro to get those unit comps to work. also, I hate using mech >_>
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
December 02 2011 22:59 GMT
#10
"I could have been masters if I chose a different race!"

lol, ok dude. That makes perfect sense because there are so few terrans in master. Maybe instead of blaming the game for your losses, you could blame yourself. And then maybe you would, like, actually improve.

Unless you just like to take credit for your wins and make excuses for your losses, because you play to stroke your ego. Then keep it up.
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
December 02 2011 23:04 GMT
#11
If you had good macro you could just run your marines back in your league. And as for "needing to constantly harass", that isn't true at all at your level, and that's beside the point, as loading up 2 medivacs and dropping them right before an engagement isn't very apm intensive. If you aren't fast enough to do that, then don't be upset about not being in master league. I'm not tall, I don't complain about not being on my college basketball team.
Don't compare difficulty of races, there is no way to be certain on the subject, and there are arguable cases for any of the races to be more difficult at any of the levels.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
December 02 2011 23:09 GMT
#12
On December 03 2011 07:31 IlIlIlIl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 07:27 SeRenExZerg wrote:
put yourself in the other two races shoes. dont just ASSUME terran is harder. so many terrans do this, and i really dont know why. I've played both terran/zerg for a very long time, and i will give you that playing terran at a high level is VERY hard, but zerg is too. each race is hard in their own right, i challenge you to try fighting off allins or defending multiple drops with zerg while keeping your macro up. i cannot comment on which race is truly the hardest, though, because i do not play the game perfectly and neither do you.

everyone always wants to say their race is the hardest to play thereby making themselves look like they have more skill. play all 3 races an equal amount, play them to their fullest potential, and maybe then you will have an idea of what is truly hardest.

there was a thread awhile back that had polls where people voted for which race was hardest at each level. Zerg was voted hardest at lower levels, and then terran was hardest in the diamond/masters range while protoss was hardest at pro level. Once you know how to macro decently, terran becomes significantly weaker because you also have to have really good micro because of all the splash damage the other races have.


As a masters random player i agree with this. Terran is hard right around top dia/low masters where games start being decided on micro and builds. Up until that point it was all about macroing, so you really have to start figuring micro and decision making at that point. Once you're over that hill terran becomes a lot easier.

Each of the races have their own sort of barrier at different levels. Personally i think the zerg one is right around platinum where mechanics and macro is very important, terran is around dia/low masters, and protoss is probably around mid masters. In my experience at least.
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liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
December 02 2011 23:13 GMT
#13
On December 03 2011 08:09 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 07:31 IlIlIlIl wrote:
On December 03 2011 07:27 SeRenExZerg wrote:
put yourself in the other two races shoes. dont just ASSUME terran is harder. so many terrans do this, and i really dont know why. I've played both terran/zerg for a very long time, and i will give you that playing terran at a high level is VERY hard, but zerg is too. each race is hard in their own right, i challenge you to try fighting off allins or defending multiple drops with zerg while keeping your macro up. i cannot comment on which race is truly the hardest, though, because i do not play the game perfectly and neither do you.

everyone always wants to say their race is the hardest to play thereby making themselves look like they have more skill. play all 3 races an equal amount, play them to their fullest potential, and maybe then you will have an idea of what is truly hardest.

there was a thread awhile back that had polls where people voted for which race was hardest at each level. Zerg was voted hardest at lower levels, and then terran was hardest in the diamond/masters range while protoss was hardest at pro level. Once you know how to macro decently, terran becomes significantly weaker because you also have to have really good micro because of all the splash damage the other races have.


As a masters random player i agree with this. Terran is hard right around top dia/low masters where games start being decided on micro and builds. Up until that point it was all about macroing, so you really have to start figuring micro and decision making at that point. Once you're over that hill terran becomes a lot easier.

Each of the races have their own sort of barrier at different levels. Personally i think the zerg one is right around platinum where mechanics and macro is very important, terran is around dia/low masters, and protoss is probably around mid masters. In my experience at least.

I'm also a master random, and I say you can easily reach masters with terran just going 1-1-1 every game, with gold level micro. The real barrier with terran is learning the marine micro/splitting or multi-dropping which is necessary to get high masters.

Low masters can be achieved with pure macro with any race.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
December 02 2011 23:21 GMT
#14
On December 03 2011 07:59 liberal wrote:
"I could have been masters if I chose a different race!"

lol, ok dude. That makes perfect sense because there are so few terrans in master. Maybe instead of blaming the game for your losses, you could blame yourself. And then maybe you would, like, actually improve.

Unless you just like to take credit for your wins and make excuses for your losses, because you play to stroke your ego. Then keep it up.

I do blame myself, and I also blame me choosing terran instead of p/z. It takes much much more practice if you want to play macro games vs. the other races compared to zerg/protoss.
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
December 02 2011 23:23 GMT
#15
On December 03 2011 08:21 IlIlIlIl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 07:59 liberal wrote:
"I could have been masters if I chose a different race!"

lol, ok dude. That makes perfect sense because there are so few terrans in master. Maybe instead of blaming the game for your losses, you could blame yourself. And then maybe you would, like, actually improve.

Unless you just like to take credit for your wins and make excuses for your losses, because you play to stroke your ego. Then keep it up.

I do blame myself, and I also blame me choosing terran instead of p/z. It takes much much more practice if you want to play macro games vs. the other races compared to zerg/protoss.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Stay in diamond league, stay blaming your race, stay bad.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
December 02 2011 23:26 GMT
#16
On December 03 2011 08:13 liberal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 08:09 Deadlyfish wrote:
On December 03 2011 07:31 IlIlIlIl wrote:
On December 03 2011 07:27 SeRenExZerg wrote:
put yourself in the other two races shoes. dont just ASSUME terran is harder. so many terrans do this, and i really dont know why. I've played both terran/zerg for a very long time, and i will give you that playing terran at a high level is VERY hard, but zerg is too. each race is hard in their own right, i challenge you to try fighting off allins or defending multiple drops with zerg while keeping your macro up. i cannot comment on which race is truly the hardest, though, because i do not play the game perfectly and neither do you.

everyone always wants to say their race is the hardest to play thereby making themselves look like they have more skill. play all 3 races an equal amount, play them to their fullest potential, and maybe then you will have an idea of what is truly hardest.

there was a thread awhile back that had polls where people voted for which race was hardest at each level. Zerg was voted hardest at lower levels, and then terran was hardest in the diamond/masters range while protoss was hardest at pro level. Once you know how to macro decently, terran becomes significantly weaker because you also have to have really good micro because of all the splash damage the other races have.


As a masters random player i agree with this. Terran is hard right around top dia/low masters where games start being decided on micro and builds. Up until that point it was all about macroing, so you really have to start figuring micro and decision making at that point. Once you're over that hill terran becomes a lot easier.

Each of the races have their own sort of barrier at different levels. Personally i think the zerg one is right around platinum where mechanics and macro is very important, terran is around dia/low masters, and protoss is probably around mid masters. In my experience at least.

I'm also a master random, and I say you can easily reach masters with terran just going 1-1-1 every game, with gold level micro. The real barrier with terran is learning the marine micro/splitting or multi-dropping which is necessary to get high masters.

Low masters can be achieved with pure macro with any race.


Well yea, you can probably get grandmasters if your macro is absolutely perfect. The point is that macro starts to matter less so you either have to focus on micro/decisions or just really up your macro.

Also, you overestimate gold level micro. 1/1/1 with masters level macro and gold level micro would get you to diamond at most.
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topschutter
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands93 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 23:28:09
December 02 2011 23:27 GMT
#17
Late game zerg is really easy, you just have to get perfect injects on 6 hatcherys while using creep spread and doing stuff with ur army/defending stuff.....

Dude, its not ur race its you....
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
December 02 2011 23:29 GMT
#18
On December 03 2011 08:23 KhAmun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 08:21 IlIlIlIl wrote:
On December 03 2011 07:59 liberal wrote:
"I could have been masters if I chose a different race!"

lol, ok dude. That makes perfect sense because there are so few terrans in master. Maybe instead of blaming the game for your losses, you could blame yourself. And then maybe you would, like, actually improve.

Unless you just like to take credit for your wins and make excuses for your losses, because you play to stroke your ego. Then keep it up.

I do blame myself, and I also blame me choosing terran instead of p/z. It takes much much more practice if you want to play macro games vs. the other races compared to zerg/protoss.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Stay in diamond league, stay blaming your race, stay bad.

what race are you?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
December 02 2011 23:31 GMT
#19
On December 03 2011 08:27 topschutter wrote:
Late game zerg is really easy, you just have to get perfect injects on 6 hatcherys while using creep spread and doing stuff with ur army/defending stuff.....

Dude, its not ur race its you....

what? pros don't even get perfect injects on 3 base rofl. What are doing with your army that's harder than what terrans have to do?
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 02 2011 23:51 GMT
#20
personally I find T the hardest race for me to play. Masters P / Diamond Z and then idk... T is just difficult for me to play because it requires more than 50apm to macro effectively and I've gotten too used to spamming w-ssssszzzzz. Keep fighting!
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