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IMoperator
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:16 IlIlIlIl wrote: terran at this level is so fucking hard compared to the other 2 races it's almost stupid. If you don't have perfect micro vs. banes/fungals or vs. temps/colossi you lose. you have to constantly harass the other player, which I cannot do with my limited apm. on the other hand protoss and zerg are free to just mass up their fucking armies and roll me over. It's such a fucking joke. I could have been masters by now if I used a different race because they don't die because of a fucking micro mistake or because they don't harass effectively. Idk what to do, because I like playing as terran, i love their units (siege tanks esp. <3) but it's so much harder to win games right now. and the worst part is people bming me because i'm terran, even tohugh it's probably harder than p/z... Idk just needed to vent. Have you tried playing zerg/protoss at top 8 diamond level, or is all that just based off assumptions? Being master league with all races, I'd say that you're mostly wrong in your statements. | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
Interestingly im thinking of switching to terran from protoss. T is just reallyfucking mechanically hard. Tenplar/fungal/ghoat are similar though. And collo < viking :o If apm is the problem work on it! But i feel you. Tvp is annoying because i can never just attack after theyget their nat  | ||
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SeRenExZerg
United States401 Posts
everyone always wants to say their race is the hardest to play thereby making themselves look like they have more skill. play all 3 races an equal amount, play them to their fullest potential, and maybe then you will have an idea of what is truly hardest. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:27 SeRenExZerg wrote: put yourself in the other two races shoes. dont just ASSUME terran is harder. so many terrans do this, and i really dont know why. I've played both terran/zerg for a very long time, and i will give you that playing terran at a high level is VERY hard, but zerg is too. each race is hard in their own right, i challenge you to try fighting off allins or defending multiple drops with zerg while keeping your macro up. i cannot comment on which race is truly the hardest, though, because i do not play the game perfectly and neither do you. everyone always wants to say their race is the hardest to play thereby making themselves look like they have more skill. play all 3 races an equal amount, play them to their fullest potential, and maybe then you will have an idea of what is truly hardest. there was a thread awhile back that had polls where people voted for which race was hardest at each level. Zerg was voted hardest at lower levels, and then terran was hardest in the diamond/masters range while protoss was hardest at pro level. Once you know how to macro decently, terran becomes significantly weaker because you also have to have really good micro because of all the splash damage the other races have. | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
you say you have limited apm and dont want to play too multitask-heavy. especially in TvZ you can adapt to your strengths and weaknesses. goody is really succesful and i doubt he has higher APM than you. play with more tanks so you have to micro a lot less (just run away with your marines and let the tanks do the work). maybe you can use the thorzain style of leapfrogging slooooooooooowly but surely around the map. turtle more. play macro heavier. you can do it! | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:50 MapleLeafSirup wrote: maybe you should try to work on another style! you say you have limited apm and dont want to play too multitask-heavy. especially in TvZ you can adapt to your strengths and weaknesses. goody is really succesful and i doubt he has higher APM than you. play with more tanks so you have to micro a lot less (just run away with your marines and let the tanks do the work). maybe you can use the thorzain style of leapfrogging slooooooooooowly but surely around the map. turtle more. play macro heavier. you can do it! I do macro and turtle lol, the problem is I use marine/tank in tvt and tvz and then i have to use bio in tvp, so you have to have a lot of multitasking and good micro to get those unit comps to work. also, I hate using mech >_> | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
lol, ok dude. That makes perfect sense because there are so few terrans in master. Maybe instead of blaming the game for your losses, you could blame yourself. And then maybe you would, like, actually improve. Unless you just like to take credit for your wins and make excuses for your losses, because you play to stroke your ego. Then keep it up. | ||
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KhAmun
United States1005 Posts
Don't compare difficulty of races, there is no way to be certain on the subject, and there are arguable cases for any of the races to be more difficult at any of the levels. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:31 IlIlIlIl wrote: there was a thread awhile back that had polls where people voted for which race was hardest at each level. Zerg was voted hardest at lower levels, and then terran was hardest in the diamond/masters range while protoss was hardest at pro level. Once you know how to macro decently, terran becomes significantly weaker because you also have to have really good micro because of all the splash damage the other races have. As a masters random player i agree with this. Terran is hard right around top dia/low masters where games start being decided on micro and builds. Up until that point it was all about macroing, so you really have to start figuring micro and decision making at that point. Once you're over that hill terran becomes a lot easier. Each of the races have their own sort of barrier at different levels. Personally i think the zerg one is right around platinum where mechanics and macro is very important, terran is around dia/low masters, and protoss is probably around mid masters. In my experience at least. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
On December 03 2011 08:09 Deadlyfish wrote: As a masters random player i agree with this. Terran is hard right around top dia/low masters where games start being decided on micro and builds. Up until that point it was all about macroing, so you really have to start figuring micro and decision making at that point. Once you're over that hill terran becomes a lot easier. Each of the races have their own sort of barrier at different levels. Personally i think the zerg one is right around platinum where mechanics and macro is very important, terran is around dia/low masters, and protoss is probably around mid masters. In my experience at least. I'm also a master random, and I say you can easily reach masters with terran just going 1-1-1 every game, with gold level micro. The real barrier with terran is learning the marine micro/splitting or multi-dropping which is necessary to get high masters. Low masters can be achieved with pure macro with any race. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:59 liberal wrote: "I could have been masters if I chose a different race!" lol, ok dude. That makes perfect sense because there are so few terrans in master. Maybe instead of blaming the game for your losses, you could blame yourself. And then maybe you would, like, actually improve. Unless you just like to take credit for your wins and make excuses for your losses, because you play to stroke your ego. Then keep it up. I do blame myself, and I also blame me choosing terran instead of p/z. It takes much much more practice if you want to play macro games vs. the other races compared to zerg/protoss. | ||
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KhAmun
United States1005 Posts
On December 03 2011 08:21 IlIlIlIl wrote: I do blame myself, and I also blame me choosing terran instead of p/z. It takes much much more practice if you want to play macro games vs. the other races compared to zerg/protoss. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Stay in diamond league, stay blaming your race, stay bad. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On December 03 2011 08:13 liberal wrote: I'm also a master random, and I say you can easily reach masters with terran just going 1-1-1 every game, with gold level micro. The real barrier with terran is learning the marine micro/splitting or multi-dropping which is necessary to get high masters. Low masters can be achieved with pure macro with any race. Well yea, you can probably get grandmasters if your macro is absolutely perfect. The point is that macro starts to matter less so you either have to focus on micro/decisions or just really up your macro. Also, you overestimate gold level micro. 1/1/1 with masters level macro and gold level micro would get you to diamond at most. | ||
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topschutter
Netherlands93 Posts
Dude, its not ur race its you.... | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 03 2011 08:23 KhAmun wrote: You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Stay in diamond league, stay blaming your race, stay bad. what race are you? | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 03 2011 08:27 topschutter wrote: Late game zerg is really easy, you just have to get perfect injects on 6 hatcherys while using creep spread and doing stuff with ur army/defending stuff..... Dude, its not ur race its you.... what? pros don't even get perfect injects on 3 base rofl. What are doing with your army that's harder than what terrans have to do? | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6595 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On December 03 2011 08:51 OmniEulogy wrote: personally I find T the hardest race for me to play. Masters P / Diamond Z and then idk... T is just difficult for me to play because it requires more than 50apm to macro effectively and I've gotten too used to spamming w-ssssszzzzz. Keep fighting! i'll try, it's kinda disheartening being stuck in diamond for months though :/ | ||
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
definitely give the MLG reps a look and maybe consider mech in TvZ, marine tank is insanely hard and sucks pretty bad late game. and dropping is definitely not good against a smart zerg if they just put up some spines at each base and hold off till mutas. today some zerg messaged me after he beat me today saying "how did you get to diamond, oh right you're terran" such a difficult game mannn, you just have to stay strong and ladder on | ||
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KhAmun
United States1005 Posts
I play zerg not that it's relevant. You whining that other races take less skill is not only baseless but it is irrelevant to why you aren't in master league. You aren't in master league because YOU aren't good enough at one aspect or another of the game. There are difficulties that each race and each playstyle suffers, and I'm sorry you're having difficulty getting over yours, but it is YOUR fault. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:16 IlIlIlIl wrote: i'm so frustrated right now, i'm losing games left and right and I can never seem to improve with terran. Right now I'm top 8 diamond and I've been this rank for months now. terran at this level is so fucking hard compared to the other 2 races it's almost stupid. If you don't have perfect micro vs. banes/fungals or vs. temps/colossi you lose. you have to constantly harass the other player, which I cannot do with my limited apm. on the other hand protoss and zerg are free to just mass up their fucking armies and roll me over. It's such a fucking joke. I could have been masters by now if I used a different race because they don't die because of a fucking micro mistake or because they don't harass effectively. Idk what to do, because I like playing as terran, i love their units (siege tanks esp. <3) but it's so much harder to win games right now. and the worst part is people bming me because i'm terran, even tohugh it's probably harder than p/z... Idk just needed to vent. The solution to your problem is in your own statement. You say Terran is harder and you are probably also drawing the conclusion that Terran is UP. DON'T. Nothing hurts improvement more than that assumption. Also, mechanics are easy to improve. Just play tons of games and push your mechanics in each one. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
You complain about protoss and zerg requiring way less micro, and the splash damage being really hard to deal with. Have you played as early game protoss against 1/1/1s and 2rax timings? Protoss straight up die if they mismicro 1 unit. As for the splash damage, as terran you have the BEST tools in the game to deal with it. Ghosts rape the shit out of templar and infestors, if you use them properly. With a healthy viking and marauder count, there's no need to be afraid of collosus. If splash units are still giving you a problem, try tweaking your ghost/viking numbers. Blanket his army with emps before a fight and attack with the vikings from an angle against the collosus. Game balance doesn't mean shit until tournament level. To improve in SC2 you have to come to the realization that you suck. You won't improve if you have a big ego. "I could have been masters by now if I used a different race because they don't die because of a fucking micro mistake" Bullshit. I've laddered 3 seperate accounts to masters, one with each race. Terran does not require some gosu level micro or more control than the others to get into masters. Don't give up on terran, you'll get into masters as soon as you realise that you suck and start actively trying to identify and fix your own mistakes, I guarentee it. | ||
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lee365
United States448 Posts
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snorlax
United States755 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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Cycle
United States300 Posts
I was in a similar position to you, but worse (rank 20 like forever in diamond lololol, then intense winning streak up to rank 1, then losing streak but that's k lol). If you're on NA, try stopping by the chat channel Practice Lounge. I went there, found some practice partners, and my gameplay has improved. EDIT: There's people of all various type of leagues, so if you want to offrace practice too, totally can :D | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
In other words, i L i L i L i L... Keep it up, play harder and better. It will never get easier, only more satisfying | ||
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Yoshh
Canada78 Posts
Blaming the race is also cowardly because it hurts your ego the least. It's hard to admit that you suck at the game and that the player that beat you is better than you, but it's reality. Just get better at the game. If you can't then I suggest you at least keep an open mind and respect the other races/players and their skill. I personally find terran easier to play than zerg. It took me a lot less time to get to masters with terran than with zerg. | ||
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ecaesar
Canada106 Posts
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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whistle
United States141 Posts
If you feel like you're playing terran in a very organized and structured manner, try to mix it up: overcommit with your army, trade armies willingly, expand when you might not be entirely safe. Playing like that has done a lot to teach me about my limits/terran limits and I've been very surprised with what is possible. It's a ton of fun to play aggressively, plus NA master league is basically about putting on pressure and aggression until the other guy crumbles, so I daresay it would help your win rate too. To address your OP now that my unorthodox idea is out of the way: when you say that you "have to harass" and protoss can just "sit back and a-move", that's very true. I will readily admit that I had almost no multitasking skill when I only played protoss, and that playing terran has improved my skill in that area dramatically. But look at the other side of the coin. You might think "harass is necessary or I lose", but when I play protoss I think "if I don't defend his harass well enough with my subpar multitask, I lose". When I play protoss I also think "I'm just sitting here with my army because I'm too scared to move out because I can't retreat from stim/concussive/vikings faster than colossus, so I can't punish his greed I just have to hope he isn't being greedy". I exploit both of these mindsets when I play the opposite matchup - TvP. I constantly harass with my units, try to exploit 1a-syndrome/difficulty of splitting up your army on the fly, and expand aggressively. dropping in the back of a protoss player's main and stimming in to snipe the third is such a simple strategy, but you'd be really surprised at how often it works at even a pro level. What I'm trying to say here is: "perspective". Keep a positive mindset, don't let what people say about terran OP (especially on ladder haha) get to you, try to think about what gives the other races a hard time. Hope this helped at least a little bit. GLHF | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Arekk
Romania11 Posts
- I commit to marine/tank/banshee -> zergdude keeps pumping roaches/hydras; before ragequitting he says "omg your race is so full of shit", like it's MY race and I own it; trollololol; - I decide to go straight off mech play when I see a random baneling nest dropped; guy keeps pumping banelings and nothing else; he called Terran "a race op for noobs" - I decide to go with my banshee (no cloak) around min 11, just because I figure fast lair is going to screw my cloak rush anyway. But I go for scout + some drone kill. "wow you are so terrible cheeser" and X has left the game. So my point: keep on playing man; I get that feeling vs good Zerg that Terran has big issues late game, but there are answers and this "noob race" I find it the most fun and micro intensive one. Also the constant aggression you need to do . Keep your face up, check some pro replays and you will find answers to your problems and start winning, and then nothing will feel better. | ||
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