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Hey guys!
The situation:
So for the last month or so I've been thinking about changing job (I'll find another one before I do), I'm currently a temp worker contracted to recruit for amazon and its a pretty decent wage. The reason I wanna leave the job is its 47.5 hours a week which leaves me without much time for SC2 (when you add in daily stuff like travel, eating, showering etc etc) and I have alot invested in it already wouldllike to invest more.
The problem:
Theres a few reasons I wanna invest more time into SC2. I'm a pretty decent player and would like to get better (not really pro level but GM is a target), I would really like to start coaching. So far no one has paid for lessons but I haven't really told alot of people, I still help friends and that tho  Then theres stuff like streaming, because I work alot I can never have a proper session of SC2 during the week, which means I only stream for like 3/4 hours and don't build up viewers. I don't get home before EU playhem starts and NA is too late  I'm also admin of CSL.eu which is going really well, its still pretty new and its getting bigger and better all the time, we just recently added a LoL league! And I'm on a team which is starting too become more known. Then I'm involved with Swansea Barcraft and that will become alot bigger next year! And then were just left with all the UK starcraft related stuff.
The solution:
I'm not planning on just quiting and being unemployed, I've looked around for various jobs (I'm looking at around 25-30 hours a week) but other then barwork theres not much about, though I haven't looked superhard. I know this might sound nuts but I'm considering working at McDonalds. Alot are 24/7 now ard offer fully flexible shifts (which is so appealing) and as a nerd I'd do night shifts which pay more. I could even move up the ranks fairly quickly for better pay and I'm not really concerned about what people think of me working there. I still live with my family and don't drive so a smaller paycheque wouldn't really be missed.
Conclusions:
Working fulltime and then putting time into SC2 can be very exhausting so I think its best I cut down my hours and put that time into SC2. The scene is growing at an amazing rate and with more and more ways for people to support themselves in eSports I think now is a great time to progress in the SC2 world.
Things to discuss:
Your SC2 and work situation, are you considering doing the same? Have you done it already? Do you think I'm fucking mental for considering this? People stories would be really useful and I'm sure quite insightful. If we could get people who are classed as 'successful' in the eSports world posting that would be really really awesome.
So yeah please post thoughts, stories or anything related between to work and SC2!
Thanks for reading and take care!
EDIT: I'm thankful to you guys for showing concerns but bear in mind this is a summerized blog, theres alot of stuff left out about my life and situation. I'm 24 and only a temp at my job and my contract ends in the new year if its not extended (which is unknown atm) so the dicussion is mainly about if I should aim for a part/fulltime job. I'm well expierenced so if I got a job in Mcdy's I could rank up fast and hell managers are on a good wage. I think its important to mention that I really do love starcraft, the game, playing it, meeting new friends through it and at lans etc etc. I used to game heavily years ago and then went casual with an xbox and SC2 brought me back, I dont no why but I just think its brilliant (BW was awesome but I played FPS back then so missed it )
  
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Just do whatever you think is going to be best for yourself and what you will be looking forward to doing everyday and if that means you have to work the nigh shift at McDonalds so that you can further your Esports career then I think you should go for it.
Me, I have always thought that having a job in Esports would be amazing but I would only pursue it as a secondary option as there are other careers I would rather have instead.
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Are you insane? You want to go from full-time to part-time work so you can put more time into your hobby? This is a terrible, terrible, terrible idea.
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I "work" 45-55 hours a week and I wouldn't quit just to go part time and play sc2 more. I like video games, but money gets me further in life.
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Thats the point tho guys, I don't want SC2 to be a hobby forever, I'd like to make money off it. I'm still going to be working so that'll support me enough where I can invest time in to SC2. And like I said, I don't wanna turn pro at SC2 I wanna do SC2 scene related stuff like tournaments, coaching etc etc.
Thank you for your comments guys.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Like there are 168 hours in the week. Let's assume 112 of those are usuable hours.
You want to go from 64.5 to 80 free-time hours? I think if you can't fit something in 64.5 hours, bumping it up to 82 hours isn't going to do much for you.
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On December 02 2011 05:10 Pughy wrote:
Thats the point tho guys, I don't want SC2 to be a hobby forever, I'd like to make money off it. I'm still going to be working so that'll support me enough where I can invest time in to SC2. And like I said, I don't wanna turn pro at SC2 I wanna do SC2 scene related stuff like tournaments, coaching etc etc.
Thank you for your comments guys.
Can you explain to me your business plan?
How is "doing tournaments" going to make you money. Explain it to me like I'm 10 years old please and don't skip any steps. Explain why, who, and how someone is going to pay you to run a tournament.
How are you going to make money coaching? Name one person who isn't known in the scene that makes money from coaching. If you can't make money coaching in 64.5 hours per week, how is increasing that to 82 hours per week going to make it more viable?
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This will be mildly off-topic...but people are upset about working 40-55 hours per week?
I hate to whip out my epeen but I work around 6am-6pm M-F and sometimes work 5 or 6 hours on Sat+Sun as well at my full time job. :p
Stick with your job, dude. Use what free time you have on your hobby, are you sure it's a good idea to risk a stable income for something as volatile as a game? I mean there are people that have done it but...yeah, idk. I wouldn't recommend this at all.
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On December 02 2011 05:10 Chill wrote:
Like there are 168 hours in the week. Let's assume 112 of those are usuable hours.
You want to go from 64.5 to 80 free-time hours? I think if you can't fit something in 64.5 hours, bumping it up to 82 hours isn't going to do much for you.
While your point is very intresting I dont think its fair to really say that. First off you make to many assumptions about my lifestyle and secondly from 60-80 hours is 25% which is a fairly big percentage 2bh.
I'll defo's consider taking what you say into considering though so ty bro.
Out of curiousity could you talk of your expierences with making money in eSports? I know your a TL admin and casted the TSL but I don't know alot about or how you got to where you are so could you share please?
On December 02 2011 05:12 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 05:10 Pughy wrote:
Thats the point tho guys, I don't want SC2 to be a hobby forever, I'd like to make money off it. I'm still going to be working so that'll support me enough where I can invest time in to SC2. And like I said, I don't wanna turn pro at SC2 I wanna do SC2 scene related stuff like tournaments, coaching etc etc.
Thank you for your comments guys. Can you explain to me your business plan? How is "doing tournaments" going to make you money. Explain it to me like I'm 10 years old please and don't skip any steps. Explain why, who, and how someone is going to pay you to run a tournament. How are you going to make money coaching? Name one person who isn't known in the scene that makes money from coaching. If you can't make money coaching in 64.5 hours per week, how is increasing that to 82 hours per week going to make it more viable?
Ok dude you don't have to jump on my back about this. This is all in consideration as stated. I haven't planned that far ahead, like I said I'm not becoming unemployed, I can afford to live off 30 hours a week pretty happily.
The way I see it, if I wanna make a career out of this I need to start putting hours in now in advance for the future and hell I'm a good worker with alot of experience so finding work isnt super hard and if it doesnt work out, guess what? I can just go full time and problem solved. There isn't a big risk in doing it now where as there could in a few months or whatever.
And I could answer your questions but you wouldn't know the people I'm on about anyway so why bother?
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At the end of the day, SCII is still your hobby (not your career). I don't think it's a good idea to cut down on work to get in more SCII time...
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On December 02 2011 05:22 Pughy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 05:10 Chill wrote:
Like there are 168 hours in the week. Let's assume 112 of those are usuable hours.
You want to go from 64.5 to 80 free-time hours? I think if you can't fit something in 64.5 hours, bumping it up to 82 hours isn't going to do much for you. While your point is very intresting I dont think its fair to really say that. First off you make to many assumptions about my lifestyle and secondly from 60-80 hours is 25% which is a fairly big percentage 2bh. I'll defo's consider taking what you say into considering though so ty bro. Out of curiousity could you talk of your expierences with making money in eSports? I know your a TL admin and casted the TSL but I don't know alot about or how you got to where you are so could you share please? Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 05:12 Chill wrote:On December 02 2011 05:10 Pughy wrote:
Thats the point tho guys, I don't want SC2 to be a hobby forever, I'd like to make money off it. I'm still going to be working so that'll support me enough where I can invest time in to SC2. And like I said, I don't wanna turn pro at SC2 I wanna do SC2 scene related stuff like tournaments, coaching etc etc.
Thank you for your comments guys. Can you explain to me your business plan? How is "doing tournaments" going to make you money. Explain it to me like I'm 10 years old please and don't skip any steps. Explain why, who, and how someone is going to pay you to run a tournament. How are you going to make money coaching? Name one person who isn't known in the scene that makes money from coaching. If you can't make money coaching in 64.5 hours per week, how is increasing that to 82 hours per week going to make it more viable? Ok dude you don't have to jump on my back about this. This is all in consideration as stated. I haven't planned that far ahead, like I said I'm not becoming unemployed, I can afford to live off 30 hours a week pretty happily. The way I see it, if I wanna make a career out of this I need to start putting hours in now in advance for the future and hell I'm a good worker with alot of experience so finding work isnt super hard and if it doesnt work out, guess what? I can just go full time and problem solved. There isn't a big risk in doing it now where as there could in a few months or whatever. And I could answer your questions but you wouldn't know the people I'm on about anyway so why bother?
Are you spending 60 hours a week on SC2 now? If not then why do you think getting an extra 20 hours a week will make a difference.
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Unless SC2 is making you alot of money then I don't really agree with what you are proposing to do.
From the sounds of it, this is just a hobby for you. That isnt even all that much time you spend working, thats still enough to get like at least 4 hours of SC2 a day.
Stick with your job, keep SC2 a part-time hobby imo.
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Do not quit your day job to try and start a career in SC2.
You will get in over your head easily.
If you are good, a team will find you. There is no reason to stop what you are doing and there's already an overabundance of people who are coaching (whether they are good or not is up for debate). What you choose to do in your downtime is your call, but I repeat to not drop your job for it.
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You won't miss the money? Save some, when you want to get a house and stuff you will need it O_O
Stay working full-time, and just try to use most of ur free time doing starcraft related stuff. When you have things going (like getting money from coaching, tourneys, etc). First get to GM, dont know how good a 'decent' player is, i hope ur at least master otherwise you really really really should keep ur full time job.
How do you want to get somewhere in like 10 years if you decide to work less and maybe even work at McDonalds? Please think again before you actually do it!
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On December 02 2011 05:22 Pughy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 05:10 Chill wrote:
Like there are 168 hours in the week. Let's assume 112 of those are usuable hours.
You want to go from 64.5 to 80 free-time hours? I think if you can't fit something in 64.5 hours, bumping it up to 82 hours isn't going to do much for you. While your point is very intresting I dont think its fair to really say that. First off you make to many assumptions about my lifestyle and secondly from 60-80 hours is 25% which is a fairly big percentage 2bh. I'll defo's consider taking what you say into considering though so ty bro. Out of curiousity could you talk of your expierences with making money in eSports? I know your a TL admin and casted the TSL but I don't know alot about or how you got to where you are so could you share please? Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 05:12 Chill wrote:On December 02 2011 05:10 Pughy wrote:
Thats the point tho guys, I don't want SC2 to be a hobby forever, I'd like to make money off it. I'm still going to be working so that'll support me enough where I can invest time in to SC2. And like I said, I don't wanna turn pro at SC2 I wanna do SC2 scene related stuff like tournaments, coaching etc etc.
Thank you for your comments guys. Can you explain to me your business plan? How is "doing tournaments" going to make you money. Explain it to me like I'm 10 years old please and don't skip any steps. Explain why, who, and how someone is going to pay you to run a tournament. How are you going to make money coaching? Name one person who isn't known in the scene that makes money from coaching. If you can't make money coaching in 64.5 hours per week, how is increasing that to 82 hours per week going to make it more viable? Ok dude you don't have to jump on my back about this. This is all in consideration as stated. I haven't planned that far ahead, like I said I'm not becoming unemployed, I can afford to live off 30 hours a week pretty happily. The way I see it, if I wanna make a career out of this I need to start putting hours in now in advance for the future and hell I'm a good worker with alot of experience so finding work isnt super hard and if it doesnt work out, guess what? I can just go full time and problem solved. There isn't a big risk in doing it now where as there could in a few months or whatever. And I could answer your questions but you wouldn't know the people I'm on about anyway so why bother?
If you can't explain in one sentence how you're going to make money then it's probably not a good idea. I'm not jumping on your back I'm just trying to stop you from making a stupid, ill-informed decision.
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u underestimate how hard it is to make money in sc2.
You either have to be a loveable asshole a la destiny or incontrol or you have to be 0.0001% of the people in the world.
Or you have to live in a 3rd world country/eastern block.
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I'll mostly second what everyone else here has been saying, except to add:
I understand if you're not happy in your current job - there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to do something else other than what you're doing right now. On balance, my current job is very nice, but it's not what I want to do with the rest of my life. I'm pursuing a variety of different career options in poli sci/history/policy analysis/research/etc. Hopefully a few months from now I'll be doing something different than what I'm doing now. So if you want a change of employment, then by all means, go for it (with the obvious caveat that jobs in this day and age can be pretty hard to come by).
Just make sure that whatever life choices you make are motivated by a realistic expectation of success, and not just out of a desire to do something differently than what you do now. Starcraft (and video games in general) can massively enrich your life without requiring them to contribute to your income. Be cautious and realistic in your deliberations, consult people who know you well and whose judgment you trust (and take their advice seriously), and most importantly make sure you are honest with yourself about your motivations. You only get one life to live - make sure you live it smart.
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On December 02 2011 05:22 Pughy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 05:10 Chill wrote:
Like there are 168 hours in the week. Let's assume 112 of those are usuable hours.
You want to go from 64.5 to 80 free-time hours? I think if you can't fit something in 64.5 hours, bumping it up to 82 hours isn't going to do much for you. While your point is very intresting I dont think its fair to really say that. First off you make to many assumptions about my lifestyle and secondly from 60-80 hours is 25% which is a fairly big percentage 2bh. I'll defo's consider taking what you say into considering though so ty bro. Out of curiousity could you talk of your expierences with making money in eSports? I know your a TL admin and casted the TSL but I don't know alot about or how you got to where you are so could you share please?
Chill earns his living as an engineer working full time in the oil industry. He plays SC2, mods TL and participates in various events (TSL, etc.) as part of his hobby. He was just suggesting you follow his lead and pursue your SC2 passions in your spare time. Maybe if you get as well known in the scene as Chill is while treating it like your hobby, then maybe you consider a career...
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On December 02 2011 06:02 NevilleS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 05:22 Pughy wrote:On December 02 2011 05:10 Chill wrote:
Like there are 168 hours in the week. Let's assume 112 of those are usuable hours.
You want to go from 64.5 to 80 free-time hours? I think if you can't fit something in 64.5 hours, bumping it up to 82 hours isn't going to do much for you. While your point is very intresting I dont think its fair to really say that. First off you make to many assumptions about my lifestyle and secondly from 60-80 hours is 25% which is a fairly big percentage 2bh. I'll defo's consider taking what you say into considering though so ty bro. Out of curiousity could you talk of your expierences with making money in eSports? I know your a TL admin and casted the TSL but I don't know alot about or how you got to where you are so could you share please? Chill earns his living as an engineer working full time in the oil industry. He plays SC2, mods TL and participates in various events (TSL, etc.) as part of his hobby. He was just suggesting you follow his lead and pursue your SC2 passions in your spare time. Maybe if you get as well known in the scene as Chill is while treating it like your hobby, then maybe you consider a career...
Pretty much.
If you can't hold a fulltime job and find success in your hobby, then making your hobby your job is not a good idea and will not suddenly make it successful.
Oh I missed your last thing. This year has been my best year for making money from ESPORTS and I've barely cleared a couple thousand. If I accept my new job offer, I will make more in a week (40 hrs) than all the money I made from SC2 in 2011.
That being said, I don't go out looking for work or trying to make business opportunities. So that's why I've always said that if you want to make a living at Starcraft, you should be 10x better at making business opportunities than you are at the game. Lots of people are good at Starcraft. Almost all of them suck as business. If your plan is to get experience at Starcraft and figure out how to make money later then, frankly, you're doing it wrong. You'll end up like me, making nothnig.
I got to where I am (Where am I?) because the scene was 10 times smaller. I could play BW at a decent level and felt like I had a pretty good grasp on BW strategy. I released some BW strategy VODs and eventually I was asked to be the strategy forum moderator. Being a moderator at TL let me be involved in running events. With my VOD experience + events experience, when streaming started getting big, I was usually involved in commentary of the streamed events. That ran over into TLA, TSL, TSL2 and TSL3. I also used to stream my BW games before streaming really became popular.
I feel like I'm one of the few that's left SC as a hobby. So I don't know if that makes my advice more meaningful or less.
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i know people like this... makes me LOL every time i hear them say it. "Dude, im seriously considering quitting my job and going pro!"
i love this.
your statement about working at mcdonalds night shifts and "opportunity to advance positions" in the same sentence is so ass-backwards it's not even funny. you're working almost 50 hours a week for a GREAT company (amazon as in the .com i assume?), and want to take up flipping burgers part time at the worst company in the WORLD in terms of opportunity for advancement?
jesus man, get your head on straight. I know there are a lot of people that would LOVE to do something and be successful in the sc2 community, but lets face it... it's a dream. you gotta get your head back in the game man, let's be realistic for a moment.
cool blog though (as far as the comments go - very entertaining)
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You have to get your priorities straight before you go off and quit your job. Go to work and use your remaining time and energy for SC2. This shouldn't bother you because you love it enough. Put yourself out there, whether that be in casting, coaching, playing, anything. If you become good enough at whatever SC2 path you choose, people will come to you, and you'll gain recognition. Eventually, you'll be able to properly decide whether or not you should pursue a career in eSports.
There are always enough hours in the day to do something you truly love. If you don't love it, you shouldn't go out and make try making a career out of it anyway, as it's not very stable.
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On December 02 2011 06:05 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 06:02 NevilleS wrote:On December 02 2011 05:22 Pughy wrote:On December 02 2011 05:10 Chill wrote:
Like there are 168 hours in the week. Let's assume 112 of those are usuable hours.
You want to go from 64.5 to 80 free-time hours? I think if you can't fit something in 64.5 hours, bumping it up to 82 hours isn't going to do much for you. While your point is very intresting I dont think its fair to really say that. First off you make to many assumptions about my lifestyle and secondly from 60-80 hours is 25% which is a fairly big percentage 2bh. I'll defo's consider taking what you say into considering though so ty bro. Out of curiousity could you talk of your expierences with making money in eSports? I know your a TL admin and casted the TSL but I don't know alot about or how you got to where you are so could you share please? Chill earns his living as an engineer working full time in the oil industry. He plays SC2, mods TL and participates in various events (TSL, etc.) as part of his hobby. He was just suggesting you follow his lead and pursue your SC2 passions in your spare time. Maybe if you get as well known in the scene as Chill is while treating it like your hobby, then maybe you consider a career... Pretty much. If you can't hold a fulltime job and find success in your hobby, then making your hobby your job is not a good idea and will not suddenly make it successful. Oh I missed your last thing. This year has been my best year for making money from ESPORTS and I've barely cleared a couple thousand. If I accept my new job offer, I will make more in a week (40 hrs) than all the money I made from SC2 in 2011. That being said, I don't go out looking for work or trying to make business opportunities.
I edited it to for the next few posts 
All your concerns are awesome and its even more awesome when I look at things like your post counts, your guys are obviously the wiser bunch so I will defo's take things you guys say into consideration.
I can say I've thought about this alot and dicussed it with a few people. I'm not young and stupid, I'm not trying to make it as a pro player (I just play because I love competition), I wanna do more community related stuff. I'm a massive people person and I love meeting new people and in SC2 I get to meet alot of new people which motivates me into making something out of it. Like I said I help organise barcraft which will be getting much bigger next year, then theres CSL.eu which is doing really well so I got things in the works. I'm always gonna be in this scene and I think at one point I'll have to cut down hours so I'm trying to stay ahead of the curve and prepare better.
Btw sorry for the shit english guys, as you can tell I put effort into it but dyslexias a bitch
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i havent read the 2nd page of this but... as someone who has started his own business doing what he loves.. let me give you some advice:
You say your contract is up at the end of the year. There's nowhere near enough time for you to prepare for this kind of income transition. You should AT MINIMUM have saved up 3 months worth of money to live off of. And thats reckless. You should ideally have at least 6 months of a "safety net"
Most new businesses fail. And most new businesses are started by people who have done the preliminary work - business plan, investors, research, schooling... You don't appear to have any of these. That's not to say that you can't succeed... but your first attempt will probably fail. There's nothing bad about that, its just VERY hard to start a business, and most people who succeed at it will tell you that they basically had no money for the first 5 years. This is because aside from paying their bills, every last penny of their money goes to make sure the business doesnt go under. Now, i know you're not starting a traditional business, but you need to use the same mindset when you go into business for yourself.
DO MARKET RESEARCH! You talk about all these ways you're gonna make money... maybe start by talking to experienced people in those areas and see if you can get a feel for how much money is in it. I think you have an unrealistic expectation.
On December 02 2011 04:49 Pughy wrote:Conclusions:
Working fulltime and then putting time into SC2 can be very exhausting so I think its best I cut down my hours and put that time into SC2. The scene is growing at an amazing rate and with more and more ways for people to support themselves in eSports I think now is a great time to progress in the SC2 world.
Yes, starting a new career or new business is ALWAYS exhausting. But what you're doing now is the RIGHT way. Don't quit your job and expect to be making money off your new venture anytime soon.
If you have money to live off of for the next year, I say GO FOR IT! Throw your entire being into accomplishing your goal. Otherwise, if you REALLY want to do this, keep saving, then when you think you're ready - save some more. You'd be surprised how fast your savings vanish when you have no income, or more probably... negative income.
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Can I tell you how fucking sick and tired I am about people making excuses for not having enough time for things? Especially when then only real thing they spend time on is a 40 hour a week job? I managed to go from a 1000 rated chess player (pretty bad) to a 2100 rated chess player all while studying at Caltech (one of the toughest schools in the country) and graduated on time. I also managed to get a decent amount of sleep in the process.
Later, while working a 70 hour a week job. I managed to continue improving my chess, qualified for the state championship and learned to play SC2 at a decent level. I balance this with having a girlfriend who is amazing and I spend a lot of time with (none of which is playing / watching sc2). I know it seem mistical, but I think when people "don't have enough time for stuff" it really means they spend 20 hours a week sitting with a thumb up their ass.
Btw, I'm not crazy type-a either. I probably watch more TV shows than most.
Let's try to account for your time a little.
Let's say you sleep 8 hours a night, give you some time getting ready for bed, etc, showering in the morning, round it to 10 hours. That's 70 hours a week sleeping.
That leaves 98 hours in the week.
Let's say you work 8 hours a day 5 days a week and have a 1 hour commute each way.
That leaves 48 hours left over. I'll even give you 2 hours a day for meals (ridiculous) where you can't do anything else.
That leaves 34 hours.
WTF, I could do so much with 34 hours a week. I could fucking write a book every few weeks. You know why I don't? Because I don't want to, and even if I had 54 hours in a week, I still wouldn't want to. But if I just "liked the idea" of writing a book, I could blame some of the hours I was working as to why I hadn't done shit towards becoming a published author.
Day[9], probably your hero in your mind. Managed to finish his graduate degree and work over the summer while building the daily to something big enough he could live on. And he probably doesn't spend 34 hours a week on the daily to be quite honest and you're nowhere near Day[9].
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On December 02 2011 07:40 MoreFaSho wrote:
Can I tell you how fucking sick and tired I am about people making excuses for not having enough time for things? Especially when then only real thing they spend time on is a 40 hour a week job? I managed to go from a 1000 rated chess player (pretty bad) to a 2100 rated chess player all while studying at Caltech (one of the toughest schools in the country) and graduated on time. I also managed to get a decent amount of sleep in the process.
Later, while working a 70 hour a week job. I managed to continue improving my chess, qualified for the state championship and learned to play SC2 at a decent level. I balance this with having a girlfriend who is amazing and I spend a lot of time with (none of which is playing / watching sc2). I know it seem mistical, but I think when people "don't have enough time for stuff" it really means they spend 20 hours a week sitting with a thumb up their ass.
Btw, I'm not crazy type-a either. I probably watch more TV shows than most.
Let's try to account for your time a little.
Let's say you sleep 8 hours a night, give you some time getting ready for bed, etc, showering in the morning, round it to 10 hours. That's 70 hours a week sleeping.
That leaves 98 hours in the week.
Let's say you work 8 hours a day 5 days a week and have a 1 hour commute each way.
That leaves 48 hours left over. I'll even give you 2 hours a day for meals (ridiculous) where you can't do anything else.
That leaves 34 hours.
WTF, I could do so much with 34 hours a week. I could fucking write a book every few weeks. You know why I don't? Because I don't want to, and even if I had 54 hours in a week, I still wouldn't want to. But if I just "liked the idea" of writing a book, I could blame some of the hours I was working as to why I hadn't done shit towards becoming a published author.
Day[9], probably your hero in your mind. Managed to finish his graduate degree and work over the summer while building the daily to something big enough he could live on. And he probably doesn't spend 34 hours a week on the daily to be quite honest and you're nowhere near Day[9].
What the hell? I dont know about you mate but if we use your maths 34 hours aint much, you can do alot in 34 hours but more is always better. And as I said before this entire blog is discussing and getting peoples thoughts on this subject. I'm not about to quit my job and jump into the deepend with a rock tied to me. I'm going to see what happens in the new year and decide then.
I haven't written in detail my entire situation in terms of rl and in SC2, I tried to summerize it and direct the blog into a dicussion about turning SC2 into a career. I started thinking about all this a month ago and as you can tell I've thought alot about all the possible outcomes. So please stop trying to lecture me like I'm a 16 year old who wants to turn pro. I know that work, money and being able to support myself come first and I'm just trying to comebine SC2 with work.
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You can easily combine SC2 with full-time work. 34 hours is just short of five hours a day, and is roughly enough time to finish an entire TV series' worth of continuous watching. If you don't think you can do much with 34 hours, I believe that is less an issue of not having enough time and more an issue of inefficiency.
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On December 02 2011 08:46 Pughy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 07:40 MoreFaSho wrote:
Can I tell you how fucking sick and tired I am about people making excuses for not having enough time for things? Especially when then only real thing they spend time on is a 40 hour a week job? I managed to go from a 1000 rated chess player (pretty bad) to a 2100 rated chess player all while studying at Caltech (one of the toughest schools in the country) and graduated on time. I also managed to get a decent amount of sleep in the process.
Later, while working a 70 hour a week job. I managed to continue improving my chess, qualified for the state championship and learned to play SC2 at a decent level. I balance this with having a girlfriend who is amazing and I spend a lot of time with (none of which is playing / watching sc2). I know it seem mistical, but I think when people "don't have enough time for stuff" it really means they spend 20 hours a week sitting with a thumb up their ass.
Btw, I'm not crazy type-a either. I probably watch more TV shows than most.
Let's try to account for your time a little.
Let's say you sleep 8 hours a night, give you some time getting ready for bed, etc, showering in the morning, round it to 10 hours. That's 70 hours a week sleeping.
That leaves 98 hours in the week.
Let's say you work 8 hours a day 5 days a week and have a 1 hour commute each way.
That leaves 48 hours left over. I'll even give you 2 hours a day for meals (ridiculous) where you can't do anything else.
That leaves 34 hours.
WTF, I could do so much with 34 hours a week. I could fucking write a book every few weeks. You know why I don't? Because I don't want to, and even if I had 54 hours in a week, I still wouldn't want to. But if I just "liked the idea" of writing a book, I could blame some of the hours I was working as to why I hadn't done shit towards becoming a published author.
Day[9], probably your hero in your mind. Managed to finish his graduate degree and work over the summer while building the daily to something big enough he could live on. And he probably doesn't spend 34 hours a week on the daily to be quite honest and you're nowhere near Day[9]. What the hell? I dont know about you mate but if we use your maths 34 hours aint much, you can do alot in 34 hours but more is always better. And as I said before this entire blog is discussing and getting peoples thoughts on this subject. I'm not about to quit my job and jump into the deepend with a rock tied to me. I'm going to see what happens in the new year and decide then. I haven't written in detail my entire situation in terms of rl and in SC2, I tried to summerize it and direct the blog into a dicussion about turning SC2 into a career. I started thinking about all this a month ago and as you can tell I've thought alot about all the possible outcomes. So please stop trying to lecture me like I'm a 16 year old who wants to turn pro. I know that work, money and being able to support myself come first and I'm just trying to comebine SC2 with work.
34 hours ain't much? How is that possible. I think you should audit your time. If you worked for another 34 hours a week you would make almost twice as much money as you do right now. If I told you could make twice as much money, would that be a lot?
"I haven't written in detail my entire situation in terms of rl and in SC2"
This really is a cop-out. I think the reaction to most people saying they want to make SC2 a career, at any age, should be similar to them saying they want to make a career out of basketball. In whatever capacity you want to participate, there's a whole road between where you are now and where you want to be that involve making sacrifices to your free time.
I honestly have no concern with the wanting to cut back on your work if you can afford it, if that would make you happier, great. But if you think it's going to make it any more likely to turn sc2 into a career, you're just wrong.
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Guys lets keep in mind that he stated he does several game related things already in his spare time. So unless he gives us a time commitment for those activities and other commitments he might have outside of his job there is no way whatsoever in which you can determine if he has enough spare time left to branch out to more game / SC2 related projects.
So everybody bashing him and throwing things around like "WTF, I could do so much with 34 hours a week" or "34 hours ain't much? How is that possible" should consider this. It might be you are right but it might also be possible he has only 4 of those 34 hours left in which he can take on extra projects.
If he has a sound plan for a project that will consume 10 hours a week on top of his other commitments and at this moment he has only 5 hours left for it, it could be a possibility to work 5 hours less a week. Especially if he can miss the extra income those 5 hours would otherwise give him (that is assuming he won't be making any money from the get go on his new project). It's also a possibility to look closely at his other commitments and decide to drop one of those.
But without any specific information it won't be possible for us to give any objective advice in my opinion.
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If he wants to make a career out of SC2 and still wants to spend the majority of 34 hours on non-work, non-SC2-related endeavors, then he is very clearly spreading himself too thin.
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