EPTA Decent Proposal - Page 18
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NagAfightinG
United Kingdom270 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
So here's my proposal: You guys have to talk it up on behalf of me and those like me EVEN MORE, so that when this generation gets into money, that it will continue to grow. Imagine how big this will be once Bob Costas is interviewing Leenock on his 30th birthday and there's a new wave of 15 year olds smashing through the old guard. | ||
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Oggblomskulk
Norway1 Post
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minilance
Canada500 Posts
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
On November 23 2011 00:30 Rabbet wrote: All right, iNcontrol the Jerry McGuire of Esports... lol Delivering content to the viewers has to be structured differently, perhaps the Koreans have it right with the Pro League. There should be a team league with a daily cast and regular viewing hours, not "who is the best single player, this weekend with a 96 hour marathon of SC2!" once a month. The EG Masters Cup for example was excellent, but didn't have enough content to keep me drawn in. The teams should all rally together and put their resources into a team league that can be broadcast 3 times a week, rebroadcast for Europe/Korea/NA with interviews with players etc. IPL and NASL are doing a lot of things right in this regard, giving the people regularly scheduled content but... The focus should be shifted away from players and put onto the teams. Much like any sport, people have favorite players and the onus is on the teams to find ways to attract the best talent, but in the end it is the team that the viewers and consumers are paying to watch. Players come and go(slump, retire, join the army), but the organizations can have a limitless life and are able to work on growing their fan base even after key assets move on. This also supports the idea that the best and brightest players will always be the ones at the keyboard rather than older, less skilled players who only are where they are at because of their public notoriety. The players that have no results or are not capable of results should move on, perhaps into broadcasting(like retired NFLers), journalism or whatever. Just get away from the keyboard and let the talented players do their thing. Boxer is one example, he couldn't make it in the big leagues of Broodwar so he started his own farm team in the farm team league and him being able to compete hurts the image of the quality of the entire SC2 scene. He should have stuck to coaching and managing his new team. (Big Boxer fan btw) Blizzard still has licensing rights so major leaps forward cannot occur without their consent and participation. And each and every expansion to the game is going to cause problems and could potentially ruin the whole scene altogether, who knows. Either way big sponsors will see this as a risk. | ||
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Traditional Fire
United States60 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
i have been a long time listener of shows like State Of The Game and Inside the game and your continued apearence on those shows has truly increased my love for this game your continued dedication and perserverance for doing everything you can for this community is truly awe imspiring it completely breaks my mind that there are so many people who give you so much hate for your slightly lackluster results you are a PILLAR of this community, there are very few people i would call a PILLAR but you are indeed a PILLAR you have truly inspired me to give my 100% to helping this community and i pray i can help it even a tenth of what youve done, becuase even that much is a giant contribution you are an amazing man and i cant believe how moved i have been by your post here, i have been moved in ways i have never been moved before and i am not ashamed to say i am on the verge of tears after reading such a well thought and amazing post, i can feel your heart bleeding through your words and know you truly and deeply care about this community i wish the new year brings us even close to your dreams for they are my dreams too, and im sure shared by many in this community i wish the new year brings you success in and out of the game and i wish you get acknowledgement for all the amazing things you have done | ||
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Nozzbozz
England5 Posts
* I say this as a bad thing. I do not believe that being a nerd is bad; I know what it is we do and I agree with it, to me being a nerd is the best thing in the world. But to a lot of people being a nerd is to be a person who 'doesn't have a life' because their hobby isn't perceived to be socially acceptable. It is that problem that we need to change before people will open their minds to accepting eSports fully. | ||
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UBavarice
Sweden358 Posts
I'm going to DH this weekend and I intend to start there. 5/5, Geoff. Such a beautiful piece of journalism. | ||
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Zaranth
United States345 Posts
I think there will be a lot of self-selection that occurs in the near future. There are tons of tournaments and more streamers and casters every day. Those who do a good job will be noticed. Those who are entertaining will be noticed. Those that are not will fall by the wayside. I think that as a community we have the responsibility to recognize all organizations, players, streamers, casters etc. that do a good job. We need to support them if we like what they stand for and where they are going. This is what will help move SC2 forward. We need to check out the new stuff and if we like it, promote it and help it improve. If we don't like it, then leave it alone. Allow evolution to take its course, and the community will select the best fit among us to move on and grow the scene. | ||
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
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Rumpus
United States136 Posts
Incontrol your dreams aren't that far off, its only a matter of time. Your first section "THE DREAMER" part A...I did that, that was literally a excerpt from my life on Saturday, and Sunday night. I was begging my parents, scrubbing change and money anywhere, doing whatever I can in order to get to Providence. Drove 5 hours, in ungodly traffic from Long Island to Providence, in the middle of the night alone on Friday night just to go to this giant SC2 nerd event and meet my favorite players and watch them give absurdly awesome performances. I could feel myself in the car busting with anticipation to see you and IdrA, Nestea, MVP, MKP, Tyler, Tastosis and all of the awesome players and casters that came out for this world class event. I got the same rush as I do when I go to Yankee games, YANKEE GAMES! (And I am quite the baseball fan.) That ESPN style, I felt that when, and correct if I am wrong, when DJWheat announced some statistics of IdrA plays and how he has done with sets. I didn't catch the whole thing but all I remember is feeling like "hey that adds legitimacy, its like a real sporting on TV." I had cousins that DO NOT play Starcraft but only have enjoyed it purely from a spectators view, walk into the convention center and say "This makes me want to play, this is awesome." They played the game later that night and now plan on buying the game for themselves. I give it a short few months before we start hearing more plans and news on the things you've suggested here. The intense statistic-like announcements and coverage, the Pre Game and Post Game shows. Look how far we've come. ESPN interest, Youtube grabbing this thing by the horns, Redbull's LAN event, IEM, Reddit demanding and providing for their favorite player to come down and give themselves and the player what they want. The time to play, and a chance to see. Finally, Incontrol I was privileged with the chance to talk to you at MLG, might not remember me though. I can tell you were bummed about you loss (too be honest I was embarrassed, I thought your game was later on in the night didn't know you got knocked out =/). I told you "well at least you made someone's day" when you signed my shirt. I was wrong, you, EG, TL, all the Koreans, MLG's staff, Sundance, the casters....this event....made my life. Thanks for all the work you and everyone in this awesome community has done to make this a possibility and see to it that this phenom we have on our hands never stops growing. | ||
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MavivaM
1535 Posts
I still don't get why you aren't a manager or something like that instead, you have all the skills you need and it's not something for everyone! I particularly agree with the point B. Personally I convinced a friend of mine to watch MLG because Naniwa was playing the Global Invitational and I wanted to show him that foreigners are able to compete with the allmighty koreans. Initially he didn't understand a lot but after some explanations of mine I noticed that he enjoyed the match like myself! I guess the trick isn't being pedantic with people who aren't involved in our hobby, but just present it like it's... well what it is: something funny but at the same time professional. Otherwise we would just sound like obsessed weirdos. On the contrary I don't like a lot the social media part. While I realise it's useful to be widespread I don't like when casters (a random Day9, anyone?) keep reminding us what their twitter is and where we can follow them every two seconds. I mean, we are not stupid. If we are interested in something we are able to make our researches... Also the casters' frenzy is something only we foreigners have, and at the end I think it's deleterious. People should care about the important things like the players or the games, more than anything. Instead, a lot of people keep their focus on so called personalities, locations and such instead of doing like the BW guys, who put their emphasys in the players more than anything. I fear that for the sake of being well known some people are trying to make sc2 more a show than an actual... dunno, 'discipline'? If it will become like that I'm afraid it won't last like Brood War. But time will tell if we will come more and more in a phase when the majority of the bad players will be naturally filtered, at the current moment we can't know. In any case youtube/twitter/blog/personal site/family album/vlog/photos of my hamster/etc don't give me that much of a vibe: after all whatever is written on it is explicitly produced for a public and will be, most of the times, meaningless embellishments. Maybe it's just a quirk of mine, don't know if it's the same for anyone else. At last, an interesting dilemma: it's well known that the more something is mainstream, the more its userbase widens and becomes retarded and misinformed. What would TL become, for heaven's sake?  ...would YOU be ready? | ||
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Popsiclestik
United States45 Posts
Starcraft can become so much more, because of those behind it. | ||
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Klogbert
United States139 Posts
On November 22 2011 13:16 HyperLimen wrote: Great post. I don't understand how TV coverage is viewed as such a desirable achievement, though. The image I get in my mind of some network broadcasting SC2 is that of some figurehead with no knowledge or passion reading off of a teleprompter with no enthusiasm whatsoever. If they get someone like day9 or wheat to do it that is a different story. #1 the premise that they would get people who know nothing about the game to do commentary is foolish. TV networks have standards, and nobody at all would watch that, therefore it would make no money and they could see that well before #2 I don't understand why half of the gaming community is scared about a jump to TV. They aren't saying TV will be the only method of delivery, it would be one method, and for things like barcrafts and your every day lounging and watching it would be far more convenient. I tend to sit at my computer and play SC2 or some other game and it's not possible for me to watch a stream at the same time. I'd love to be able to do that (I mean hell why buy a big ass TV if you can't watch your favorite form of entertainment on it?) I understand hooking the computer up to a TV works okay, but it's obviously not the pinnacle of entertainment, all you have to do is watch ESPN for an hour or 2 to realize that is what we should be shooting for. I would absolutely love a convenient place to check all the scores instead of digging through LR Threads and going to various websites (who goes to NFL.com to look for NFL scores? or any other sport for that matter) I absolutely love this post because TV is a great way to bring Starcraft to the masses. Not everyone is going to like it, but that's okay, not everyone likes Soccer (especially here in america) but that doesn't mean they don't show it. It's a numbers game, and while 200k for a National Championship is great, I think we can do better and TV gives us that opportunity Plus on a technical note, some people's internet sucks and streaming high quality isn't possible, TV requires much less to get the same quality. Thanks for the great topic Geoff (too many upper and lowercases couldn't remember your gamer tag), H2O Cryptic. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On November 23 2011 00:28 Soleron wrote: It's still products they expect gamers to buy. I mean like Korean Air does for BW. "e-Sports aren’t our target market for advertising but a completely different business" - FXOBoss on FXOpen sponsoring FXO the team. FXOpen are viewing esports as something they can make money in, not to sell their financial products. I don't mean BW. BW in Korea has got to the point Incontrol is talking about (stadiums full of people, public awareness, major unrelated sponsors) but I don't believe it's possible for SC2 ever, even in Korea. So I was looking through some sponsors for Korean teams. Do companies like Mom's Touch Chicken and Burger, Hedgren, LUNATI fulfil your criteria? Because their businesses are just targeted towards "people", not specifically "gamers". Plus there are plenty of huge companies sponsoring tournaments, teams and players that you can certainly argue are aimed at gamers (but no less than those BW-team-conglomerate-sponsors are), like Coca-Cola (IM), Pepsi (GSL), LG (GSL), Sony Ericsson (TLO), among others. If these don't fulfil your criteria, it's akin to saying that Standard Chartered shouldn't sponsor Liverpool because it's not helping their business in the USA. I mean, everyone who cares about football is already watching football, right? But back to your original point, I don't see what is wrong with sponsors targeting young, technical consumers who like games who might want a good computer with sweet peripherals and gadgets and like to shop online. I think you are being overly cynical when you stated "throwing all this money around isn't increasing sales." Social media is a very, very effective advertising medium and the ESPORTS community is very, very good at leveraging that medium to help sponsors' investments go a long way. | ||
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Nozzbozz
England5 Posts
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TimeliestBrute
United States1 Post
As an ex halo 2/3 pro, I can attest that Starcraft players and fans have WAY more passion for their game. Also, what makes Starcraft so intriguing for me is the story lines. I think emphasizing the story lines of players (like you mentioned with WhiteRa) will be the best way to capture the interest of people who are not yet fans of esports. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
That said, excellently done, I agree :D | ||
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