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"C. Moderate. TL is often regarded as too harsh... I don't think it's harsh enough. Don't just close a thread mocking a player, delete it. That closed thread can still be found. Actively upvote and downvote on Reddit.. there is a lot of really dumb stuff that makes it far (sometimes) on reddit. As such, most of the community regards Reddit as a silly place where no real discussion is had. But that is home to a lot of people who WANT that place to be taken serious... be an active part of that! Jokes are great, poking fun at players and people is fine and good but taking it to extreme levels shouldn't be allowed to passively happen.. do something about it. I used TL and Reddit as examples but there are countless places where SC2 is discussed.. clean up your youtube comments, block trolls on twitter and ignore them... ban all the hate you can find in your stream chat. If we can clean up this community by 1% we have made the SC2 world a better place for everyone."
I find this part the most important. Reading in LR thread and Reddit (which is like .... no-word-could-be-used-to-describe) everyone was like if they're "passionate" they can boo players too, also "we" (I think they refer as the americans as those people were referencing examples in NFL) always boo. And also if don't like anything is a right then it's a right to boo. All went through my head was wtf is wrong with this community nowadays, Day9 used to be proud starcraft was the best community, I don't think starcraft 2 is... (he doesn't mention that often any more as a result i think). Also when I was 5, we (the student in the class) attended in a small football (soccer, for the americans) tournaments between classes. We did boo other team once and my teacher said immediately, "if you're passionate in cheering and supporting your team then cheer the hell out of them, not booing the other team or making fun of them when they do something wrong. We are here mostly for fun (or for what we love) and we want to be a better man, right?" Now let me say this, how the hell a 5-year-old could have a better manner than a teenager/young adults? As long the community doesn't grow up and shitting on other people, I don't see starcraft 2 get into professionalism. And that was my contributing oppinion.
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lead, follow or move aside. Esports coming through!
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"C. Moderate. TL is often regarded as too harsh... I don't think it's harsh enough. Don't just close a thread mocking a player, delete it. That closed thread can still be found. Actively upvote and downvote on Reddit.. there is a lot of really dumb stuff that makes it far (sometimes) on reddit. As such, most of the community regards Reddit as a silly place where no real discussion is had. But that is home to a lot of people who WANT that place to be taken serious... be an active part of that! Jokes are great, poking fun at players and people is fine and good but taking it to extreme levels shouldn't be allowed to passively happen.. do something about it. I used TL and Reddit as examples but there are countless places where SC2 is discussed.. clean up your youtube comments, block trolls on twitter and ignore them... ban all the hate you can find in your stream chat. If we can clean up this community by 1% we have made the SC2 world a better place for everyone."
I find this part the most important. Reading in LR thread and Reddit (which is like .... no-word-could-be-used-to-describe) everyone was like if they're "passionate" they can boo players too, also "we" (I think they refer as the americans as those people were referencing examples in NFL) always boo. And also if don't like anything is a right then it's a right to boo. All went through my head was wtf is wrong with this community nowadays, Day9 used to be proud starcraft was the best community, I don't think starcraft 2 is... (he doesn't mention that often any more as a result i think). Also when I was 5, we (the student in the class) attended in a small football (soccer, for the americans) tournaments between classes. We did boo other team once and my teacher said immediately, "if you're passionate in cheering and supporting your team then cheer the hell out of them, not booing the other team or making fun of them when they do something wrong. We are here mostly for fun (or for what we love) and we want to be a better man, right?" Now let me say this, how the hell a 5-year-old could have a better manner than a teenager/young adults? As long the community doesn't grow up and shitting on other people, I don't see starcraft 2 get into professionalism. And that was my contributing oppinion.
I think this is a good point. Cheering for your team is great but why waste time when you are cheering on booing the opponents? Of course there is always going to be disagreement in competition but it doesn't have to result in hate. And we have to remember that the clue is in the name eSports, 'Sports', there are always going to be passionate fans who feel like they have to boo those that they don't support. I don't think however that people shouldn't point out when someone is making a mistake or crossing the line; if people don't own up to what they did wrong then they never learn from it.
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great write up  definitly planning to do more for the community in all sorts of ways.. =)
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Player agents. At this time we have players negotiation six figure salaries for themselves and of course that is the extreme case but it will become more and more common.. additionally it doesn't take a six figure salary to necessitate the need for an agent. We have none though. Sports agents don't understand how to monetize a SC2 player. They don't know the first thing about our market. This is something someone could do and the first to do it would have all the business. Are you that person? Create.
Exactly what I want to do if I am able to make it into the law school. If my plan works out I am gonna concentrate in contract law and then turn my attention to SC2 players after I graduate.
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I will tweet/spread this word. Thank you, Geoff, for a great starting place to send my friends that are passionate about ESPORTS.
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Yes Geoff that's what I like to hear. Bench Press 600 for ESPORTS!
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I have a dream........when we can rent out Rogers Center in Toronto... for an Esports event.
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On November 22 2011 22:31 Mobius_1 wrote:
I'm quite sure sponsorship helps those companies. TLAF and iRip are a good examples.
It's still products they expect gamers to buy. I mean like Korean Air does for BW.
As for unrelated to gaming and the perceived lifestyle, does FXOpen count?
"e-Sports aren’t our target market for advertising but a completely different business" - FXOBoss on FXOpen sponsoring FXO the team.
FXOpen are viewing esports as something they can make money in, not to sell their financial products.
Also if you are talking about ESPORTS in general, BW teams in Korea have big conglomerate sponsors, making it a lot more like established physical sports.
I don't mean BW. BW in Korea has got to the point Incontrol is talking about (stadiums full of people, public awareness, major unrelated sponsors) but I don't believe it's possible for SC2 ever, even in Korea.
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All right, iNcontrol the Jerry McGuire of Esports... lol
Delivering content to the viewers has to be structured differently, perhaps the Koreans have it right with the Pro League.
There should be a team league with a daily cast and regular viewing hours, not "who is the best single player, this weekend with a 96 hour marathon of SC2!" once a month. The EG Masters Cup for example was excellent, but didn't have enough content to keep me drawn in. The teams should all rally together and put their resources into a team league that can be broadcast 3 times a week, rebroadcast for Europe/Korea/NA with interviews with players etc. IPL and NASL are doing a lot of things right in this regard, giving the people regularly scheduled content but...
The focus should be shifted away from players and put onto the teams.
Much like any sport, people have favorite players and the onus is on the teams to find ways to attract the best talent, but in the end it is the team that the viewers and consumers are paying to watch. Players come and go(slump, retire, join the army), but the organizations can have a limitless life and are able to work on growing their fan base even after key assets move on. This also supports the idea that the best and brightest players will always be the ones at the keyboard rather than older, less skilled players who only are where they are at because of their public notoriety. The players that have no results or are not capable of results should move on, perhaps into broadcasting(like retired NFLers), journalism or whatever. Just get away from the keyboard and let the talented players do their thing. Boxer is one example, he couldn't make it in the big leagues of Broodwar so he started his own farm team in the farm team league and him being able to compete hurts the image of the quality of the entire SC2 scene. He should have stuck to coaching and managing his new team. (Big Boxer fan btw)
Blizzard still has licensing rights so major leaps forward cannot occur without their consent and participation. And each and every expansion to the game is going to cause problems and could potentially ruin the whole scene altogether, who knows. Either way big sponsors will see this as a risk.
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Great blog. I will take that with me when I visit DH for some good games next weekend!
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Very well said
You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not
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You, good sir, is the perfect example of someone who should be given loads of money and human resources to improve eSports.
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GREAT WRITE UP!!!
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Already spreading the word on other sites I post on to get people to read this and I will post a link on my facebook as soon as I get home. haha.
SPREAD THE LOVE OF THE GAME
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great read! 5/5 nice one geoff!
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The only thing that I don't fully agree with is the live performance before a match. I think there is probably too much variance in the musical tastes in the West.
Other than that, this seems like something I could support.
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you gotta understand that if mlg or another tournament is on tv its going to cut the mlg site out of some money because YOU KNOW theyre going to show it in HD for free on tv.
It doesn't work that way. Whatever cable station or network picked it up would have to pay MLG for the rights to broadcast it's content. Money it made from this would far outpace what it currently makes from online ad rev share. In addition, the license fee would need to be paid for each market. MLG would likely only be broadcast in the US so there is a significant international audience that would still view the stream online. And if MLG did sell broadcast rights in multiple national markets they would be making even more money.
Most brand sponsors would jump at the ability to pay more to get an integrated sponsorship including television ads. MLG would be able to charge more simply for sponsors to have banners at the event since they would show in the background during the broadcast.
Television only makes the event more valuable to MLG, not less.
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Some very good conversation in this thread.. especially from those that are 'realist' and realize that there are so many other things that need to be put in place before we get to a point of 32K in a stadium. I hate to be negative here.. because I have been pushing to grow eSports for 10+ years... but we are years away from a sustainable model in which we fill 32k in a stadium. Geoff has very good points.... but most of what he says is a pep rally.
Someone made the point that we need to organize SC2 more.. and they could not be more right.. but above that, we need to remember.. SC2 is not the only game that is considered an esport.. it is not even the most watched. SC2 does however have the hardest working and most involved community and that is exactly why SC2 can lead the pack. Not the players, not the MLG's or NASL's.. but the community.
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oh. stop all of the 'SC2 on TV' talk please..
So many other things have to happen. .Honestly, SC2 would not translate well on TV to those that do not play the game.
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