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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
November 22 2011 12:47 GMT
#281
I'm currently writing a piece for a radio show called "Lex and Terry." They are represented in many states along the east coast of the US and some Northern areas. Hopefully they will be able to fit it into their show when I'm finished. I will upload the segment once it airs. I also plan on starting a Jacksonville/Gainesville Regional Barcraft 2012. http://www.lexandterry.com/

Thanks for the write up (P)iNcontroL. I cheered for you at every pool game in Orlando.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Roryx
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria5 Posts
November 22 2011 12:49 GMT
#282
I agree with everything you said there, got infinite ammounts of respect for you! Thank you for motivating me (and possibly more people) into helping SC2 grow more and more!
tallyhohugo
Profile Joined August 2010
98 Posts
November 22 2011 12:52 GMT
#283
good man incontrol this was a great read. well thought out and makes me excited about the future of sc2!
MVP MC Sen DRG Nestea BoxeR NaDa HerO Stephano Sheth PEWPEWPEWPOWER
DarK[A]
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 12:58:05
November 22 2011 12:56 GMT
#284
I think I love you, iNcontroL.

But yes - this is all I've thought about since getting into Starcraft 2 not that long ago. I want it to be a national craze. I want it on TV. I want to take a road trip to spectate (or compete in) a massive event.

I like intrigue's idea about a huge screen showing the entire map, or at least more of it than the typical FOV. That would make spectating a lot easier for people whose eyes aren't trained to glance at the minimap every 0.2 seconds.

HyperLimen - I think that when it happens, the community and its leaders will ensure it's done right. We don't want another CGS catastrophe. I'll cast my vote right now for day9 and wheat haha. If there's a pair of casters who can deliver SC2 in a way appropriate for actual players AND the masses... they're the ones. (Sorry Husky, but your reads of the game are too inaccurate for national TV.)

(Yes I realize there is this newfangled feature called quoting but I'm at work and typing this quick. Sue me.)
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
November 22 2011 12:58 GMT
#285
Great blog. I enjoyed in particular the point 2B.

I think that the key for the sucess of Esports is the communicate. Express yourself about the feelings that rush your body when you see your favorite player battling a close game in the finals of some event, share to your friends that you are playing/seeing SC2: them - "Starcraft 2? What's is that??" You: "What?! Where have you been living dude?? You don't know what's Starcraft?? Let me explain it to you!"

Well...i think it's time to get a twitter account. ^^

Thanks Incontrol.
aka Wardo
Arch00
Profile Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
November 22 2011 13:04 GMT
#286
About SC2 continuing its growth onto Television:

I feel this being done incorrectly is a huge risk to the continuous grow of E-Sports as it can be a huge drain on current resources. You still have events like MLG in 'investment year' mode not making a profit (according to Sundance) I like your idea if have sportscenter or Baseball tonight-esque shows for SC2. I feel like having a half hour Starcraft Tonight show on ESPN 2 that goes over the weeks games and promotes streams and where to watch. Including having ESPN having the stream on their website.

More and more TV's have the functionality to watch livestream programming and I feel like ESPN just having a show like this might be the best way to promote Esports.
www.twitch.tv/arch00 ~ Arch.391 SC2
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
November 22 2011 13:17 GMT
#287
Amazing post, Incontrol! very well written, agree with pretty much everything. 5/5, will probably read again.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
November 22 2011 13:19 GMT
#288
I think that the players are there, the casters are in place, the fans are certainly in place and even the sponsors are starting to see the light. I think the one thing that eSports is missing is the industry behind it. The longtail merch (what I am working on with my company), the shows (which are starting), the things that drive the market forward will be those things that offer positive income to be made and cycled back into the same market; a poster maker who then uses that money to sponsor tournaments.

The one thing that iNControl nailed and needs to be screamed to the heavens is that everyone plays a part in this. Chatting with players, sponsors and even towns is HUGE. It has far more effect that we realize.

Awesome post InControl!
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
cozak
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden3 Posts
November 22 2011 13:21 GMT
#289
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not. - Steve Carell
Drogith
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1350 Posts
November 22 2011 13:24 GMT
#290
On the character of Geoff:
I have met him on several occasions. He replies to PMs honestly and timely and is a man of his word from my experiences. About 6 months ago when the New England SC2 League was almost completely unknown, he accepted coming on to do a guest cast of the finals. It was found he was not able to later on due to EG business, but PM'd me to apologize for any inconvenience. At MLG this past weekend, he even remembered the league and was interested in it's progress.

On the message:
I enjoy the fervor, but find to myself that some restraint needs to be made in E-Sports. Over the past year we have seen a giant explosion. But like explosions in real life, if it is not guided or contained, like a bullet being fired, only destruction is left in it's wake. An over saturation of E-Sports if you would. Yet, if contained and guided, that same destructive force can be used to feed many to ensure continued growth. That is the reality of the business. DJWheat could tell you that he has seen the cycle happen many times in his 3,000 years on Earth; we reach the top of the bridge so fast that we don't realize the rest of it hasn't been built.

If E-Sports is to grasp onto longevity this time around, as a fan, YES, go out and absorb what you can and support how you can. Even if it is just watching a Day9 Daily on youtube once a week. But for the organizers, some structure needs to be put forward. Everybody and their brother wants to run tournaments, gain sponsorships, throw LANs, but if everyone is doing it the field becomes thinned out like a gallon of water on the floor, instead of in multiple cups. A prime example of some organization coming about can be found in the SoCal LAN scene. At first the organizers of all the LANs did not coordinate. Multiple LANs took place on the same days and there was no coherency between them or rhyme and reason. Now, there is a structure in place where all the organizers are working together and have even built a system to support themselves long term.

A side note:
When asked who my favorite SC2 player is, a lot of people are confused when I say that iNControl is my #2(Complexity's Ryan is a good friend IRL, so he gets #1). I know that he isn't going to win any major tournaments. But it's his passion, his genuine excitement for SC2 and what it can become that draws me to him. The fact that he is out having actual business meetings with executives, working, talking with them to spread the concept of how E-Sports is legitimately here to stay... Well, that's a lot to sacrifice in terms of practice time where he could be improving his game, or helping his teammates to do the same.

5/5 for the love of E-Sports
Founder of the New England SC2 League
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
November 22 2011 13:25 GMT
#291
After the call of Day9 in 2011, here is the call of iNcontrol for 2012
Let esports grow out of proportion, beyond everything we ever imagined !
twitter@RickyMarou
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 13:27:11
November 22 2011 13:26 GMT
#292
I don't think this can happen. Everyone who cares about SC2 is watching SC2 already.

Have we got any sponsors that have nothing to do with gaming or its perceived lifestyle yet? I'm waiting for the bust when the advertisers realise throwing all this money around isn't increasing sales.
OgsStump
Profile Joined March 2011
128 Posts
November 22 2011 13:29 GMT
#293
On November 22 2011 13:11 Mooster_Starcraft wrote:
Good points inControl! Starcraft is so much more than just a game. May we all do these things, and keep SC2 forever!



until sc3 comes out of course ^^. I know that i won't be one of those hipster nerds who thinks sc3 is too mainstream and continue to want sc2 to stay forever (albeit that's a long way off). Anyways decent writeup but i still think it lacks specific direction although to be fair i don't think incontrol or anyone for that matter can explain with more specifics how we'll achieve all of these goals.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
November 22 2011 13:31 GMT
#294
On November 22 2011 22:26 Soleron wrote:
I don't think this can happen. Everyone who cares about SC2 is watching SC2 already.

Have we got any sponsors that have nothing to do with gaming or its perceived lifestyle yet? I'm waiting for the bust when the advertisers realise throwing all this money around isn't increasing sales.


I'm quite sure sponsorship helps those companies. TLAF and iRip are a good examples.

As for unrelated to gaming and the perceived lifestyle, does FXOpen count? Also if you are talking about ESPORTS in general, BW teams in Korea have big conglomerate sponsors, making it a lot more like established physical sports.
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
Thyra
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany17 Posts
November 22 2011 13:32 GMT
#295
great writeup man, eventhough its a huge wall of text it was really nice to read

especially since i thought about why there is no E-Sports TV on normal cable TV over here.... i really think that something like that would benefit all sides (community, players etc etc) since more and more people would have an easy acces to it and E-Sports will be pushed out of the dark a little more into the public

how many people call guys like us nerds or stuff like that, but watchin football/soccer/basketball/baseball w/e other sport on TV or in a stadium? they are doing the exact same thing we do, but their sport is supported by the media and thats the huge step E-Sports has to in EU/US

the only difference in E-Sports and other sports is what u have to practice on... like in football u have to have very good health and increase ur physical strengh,speed, agility etcetc. in E-Sports u have to train ur mechanics aswell as decisionmaking based on informationinput which is limited by the level of attention u can build up etc which all can be trained.
brains or brawns?
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
November 22 2011 13:34 GMT
#296
Don't worry, Sundance got this.
Tapppi
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland70 Posts
November 22 2011 13:37 GMT
#297
This write-up represents the good in starcraft community. INcotrol so good..
no thanks
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
November 22 2011 13:38 GMT
#298
here is my take on it: foreigners most practise more, much more. If we want a larger sc2 the pros most go all the way like naniwa. He doesn't mess around with media and such, he knows what makes good practise, practise. If the foreigners were the best players than the sponsors would be more willing to invest into the scene as their home markets are western.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
November 22 2011 13:50 GMT
#299
Incontrol would make a pretty good politician. They do also want the best for everyone. Not to blame him, i would do the same. Good job man.

5/5 go E-Sports
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
November 22 2011 13:56 GMT
#300
Awesome write up. Sometimes I think you say questionable things Incontrol, but none can criticize your passion for this game.
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