• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:47
CET 00:47
KST 08:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship4[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win92025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1463 users

I suck at SC2.

Blogs > psp219
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 00:16 GMT
#1
So like it is more of a rage blog rather than anything else.
So this is my first RTS game and I've been playing hours upon hours. I've played probably more games than most of the masters people in my division and I can't improve at all.
Nothing

Nada.


Every time I always feel improvement, I lose and lose until I am playing mid/high diamonds again and the cycle continues. I've watched my own replays and the same mistakes are getting repeated again and again with bad scouting/ bad macro.

I've bought myself an TW/KR account and I'm thinking of just simply moving and training on the KR server for one month and see what happens. The thing is I have no friends over there to talk about strategies with so that may be pretty bad...

*
tYsopz
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway215 Posts
October 10 2011 00:21 GMT
#2
If it's your first RTS, then high diamond isn't bad at all.
"I'm going to send them to a far far distant place called Disneyland. Safe and sound at their own convenience, at the fastest and cheapest rate." - Lee Sung Eun
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 00:22 GMT
#3
I'm in mid masters, but the hours I put into the game I feel like is not very productive. I've been at mid masters for uhhhh 4 months?
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 00:23:48
October 10 2011 00:23 GMT
#4
You dont suck lol, kind of like an insult to players lower than mid master, I think your just getting behind with the metagame? Perhaps?
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 00:25 GMT
#5
The thing is the time I put into this game is not representative in my ladder rank. I have a 0 bonus pool at all times LOL.
ShamTao
Profile Joined September 2010
United States419 Posts
October 10 2011 00:29 GMT
#6
I don't know if a TW/KR account is going to help...it'll expose you to different styles, for sure, but because you aren't a GM player, you're just going to get placed against people of the same skill...things won't really be ramped up a level.

Improvement is hard once when you get to that mid-master's range. Totally been there.
In the game of drones, you win or you die!
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 00:30 GMT
#7
If I was actually playing at a mid masters level I wouldn't be too mad but the fact that I keep playing in a cycle of mid-high masters and then mid/high diamonds because of all the losses the other day.
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
October 10 2011 00:43 GMT
#8
how many games do you have?
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 00:48:21
October 10 2011 00:46 GMT
#9
I doubt that a TW/KR account will help much. At most, you'll just see a different style of play.

The way I went around with practice was by grinding out games with the AI (Green Tea AI or Fyn AI(this doesn't work anymore )). That AI, even when just set to Medium difficulty, is better than most of the ladder chumps I went up against. I'm in Master league, just to clarify any confusion that the people I face on ladder aren't on the lower spectrum of the ladder.

Or you could just play Brood War. That helped me loads.

A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 00:47 GMT
#10
On October 10 2011 09:43 Polar_Nada wrote:
how many games do you have?


4000 Ladder Games of 1v1. I don't know about customs 1v1 yet.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 10 2011 00:48 GMT
#11
Lol sounds like me, I just got my carrier (750 wins) I go on huge win streaks, beating low/mid masters, then go on huge losing streaks and play mid/high diamonds and this cycle never ends. I dont know how to improve and be consistent enough to get that promotiong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 10 2011 01:41 GMT
#12
I'm just interested, what race do you play?

Also, do you honestly believe you aren't improving, ie. that your progress is stagnating?

Do you have any idea, whatsoever, what might be holding you back?

Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 02:05 GMT
#13
I play terran. I feel that my progress is just going up and back down to the same point and back up to the same point. I think the thing that is holding me back is my decision making. For example, I have 3 bases and he has 2 bases and I don't know why I would attack but I just do it and lose my army and its gg. I can never stay passive and macro and when I move out constantly my small ass terran army just gets destroyed.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
October 10 2011 02:06 GMT
#14
are you taking active steps to improve certain portions of your gameplay? or are you just grinding out mass ladder games and hoping that the raw playtime alone will keep a constant and steady improvement?
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 02:08 GMT
#15
The thing is I don't know how to actually improve CERTAIN PORTIONS of my gameplay. I'm more of grinding out mass ladder games and hoping that the raw playtime will be constant and steady improvement which I feel is my problem here.
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 02:10 GMT
#16
I have no idea how to isolate certain portions of my gameplay and practice each part separately. With piano or something like that, I just practice one part but with sc2 everything is always changing...
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 10 2011 02:19 GMT
#17
Well, you just identified a few different issues in your gameplay. You are uncertain as to how to concentrate on just one aspect of your game and your desire to win leads you to become overeager.

I think that mass gaming will help you hone your mechanics and you will intuitively be able to draw from that in real-game situations. However, if your goal is to improve and not just 'play', then you must always set goals for yourself. 'I want to win this next game' is not a legitimate goal. Any player who can be honest with themselves and are sincere in their desire to improve should go into every game with a plan.

If you want to force yourself to macro, then play a whole series of games where all you do is concentrate on building armies and improving your economy.
If you want to force yourself to be patient, then play a whole series of games where you cannot move out until you have a certain supply in your army, even if you know you can end the game.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 02:23 GMT
#18
But the thing is if I just focus on economy and building army, when I go back to the overall game plan, wouldn't my macro be fucked up again? Also, sometimes my macro is insanely good and sometimes it just sucks big ballsacks.
Just_A_PhasE
Profile Joined June 2011
United States89 Posts
October 10 2011 02:34 GMT
#19
On October 10 2011 11:23 psp219 wrote:
But the thing is if I just focus on economy and building army, when I go back to the overall game plan, wouldn't my macro be fucked up again? Also, sometimes my macro is insanely good and sometimes it just sucks big ballsacks.

You just sound like a whiner. Instead of sulking and bitching look at your games and figure it out. Nobody here is going to give you a magic answer.
psp219
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States315 Posts
October 10 2011 02:40 GMT
#20
On October 10 2011 11:34 Just_A_PhasE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 11:23 psp219 wrote:
But the thing is if I just focus on economy and building army, when I go back to the overall game plan, wouldn't my macro be fucked up again? Also, sometimes my macro is insanely good and sometimes it just sucks big ballsacks.

You just sound like a whiner. Instead of sulking and bitching look at your games and figure it out. Nobody here is going to give you a magic answer.


I had done that.. but I'm just looking for better and more efficient ways to improve.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
Liquipedia
LAN Event
18:00
Merivale 8: Swiss Groups Day 2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 51
CosmosSc2 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 540
Artosis 416
LaStScan 69
NaDa 47
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Foxcn259
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox830
Mew2King42
Other Games
tarik_tv4751
Grubby2137
Liquid`Hasu216
C9.Mang0194
ToD105
Maynarde102
ZombieGrub67
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL108
StarCraft 2
CranKy Ducklings89
Other Games
BasetradeTV62
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 79
• RyuSc2 56
• musti20045 35
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21279
League of Legends
• TFBlade984
• HappyZerGling90
Other Games
• imaqtpie1108
• Scarra664
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
10h 13m
LAN Event
15h 13m
Replay Cast
23h 13m
OSC
1d 12h
LAN Event
1d 15h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
IPSL
2 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
3 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
LHT Stage 1
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.