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So this other kid at our school plays AOE3 and says that starcraft1 and starcraft2 sucks and takes no skill, and he challenged me and a friend to a 2v1 AOE3 battle. Obviously, we lose, but actually, not as badly as I thought we would. Our macro through the whole game was fine. The only problem really was that I don't know what the buildings do, or what the units do, or what the major timings are. I actually don't think he's a great player, but I'm still upset that we lost.
So afterwards, I tried looking online for some AOE3 strategies and pro replays, and now am confused as fuck. I found this AOE3 Heaven webpage, and on the strategy section, there's like, 100 different build orders for each of the 10 different races in AOE3, with no explanation on what the basic most important build orders are, or how to react within a build order, or the rational behind anything.
If anyone could point me in the direction of some realllllly l33t stuff, like Day[9] for AOE3, or gomtv for AOE3, or something like that, that would be awesome. I also couldn't find any highly skilled AOE3 player youtube videos, because everyone's just noob as fuck. And the commentary was just as abysmal if not more.
TLDR: depressed after losing a 1v2 (we were the 2) against this trash talking AOE3 player who said SC2 sucks. want to win against that faggot but don't know what to do, and can't find any good AOE3 pro videos or commentaries. plz help!!
 
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Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage.
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If SC takes no skill, ask him to play against you. Should be ezpz for the kid then.
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you're kind of screwed here; if i were in that guy's position i would never agree to a rematch. just forget about it, and next time someone trash talks starcraft challenge HIM to a 1vX game of sc.
i don't think RTS are similar enough that if you play regularly (unless you're like forever bronze) you could realistically lose a 1v2 match to people who have never played your RTS before. maybe an FPS you could play their game 1v2, but not something like sc or aoe.
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On October 05 2011 18:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage.
D+ mechanics > other rts's imo
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RTS-Sanctuary is the best site for AoE3, basically all high level players post there, or at least they used to when the game was active.
http://rts-sanctuary.com/index.php?act=news&portal=AOE3
I assume you are playing with no expansions?
All you both really need to do is age up, proxy 2 barracks outside his base, than make musketeers.
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On October 05 2011 18:57 puppykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 18:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage. D+ mechanics > other rts's imo
You've clearly never played other RTS games.
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you should've double villager rushed him 
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On October 05 2011 19:12 duk3 wrote:
All you both really need to do is age up, proxy 2 barracks outside his base, than make musketeers. Lol...
There are a tonne of replays out but heaps of them are mediocre. Youtube tutorials are probably the easiest way to go.
Btw, how could he lose? You had no idea of unit composition or buildings, I mean, isn't that kinda imba?
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On October 05 2011 18:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage.
Well in AoE3 you have your city (that you customize outside the game) that levels up as you play games, higher levels give more advanced shipments that you send yourself during a match. If his city was much higher level, it is not surprising at all he could have won a 1v2, much less surprising than a 1v2 in SC2, where everything is dead even.
Not to mention the OP said he didn't even know what each building did...
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Okay, here is a really easy all-in build order for ottomans, you don't even have to make villagers since the town center does it automatically for you, if both of you do this, than you can beat him regardless of home city level or skill, only cards you need are 5 jannisaries and 700 food:
+ Show Spoiler +1. Take 2 of your villagers and have them gather your crates, send the rest to hunting your nearby animals (bison, deer, turkeys). Send your explorer around gathering treasures for more resources. Send 1 villager out to shoot a herd back in the direction of your TC (animals will run away from the villager that shoots them, they will run every 11 seconds or so, so just continue to shoot them towards TC every once in awhile).
2. Rally new villagers that are automatically produced from the town center to hunting. Make a market as soon as you finish gathering the crates with your villagers. Send the 2 villagers that were gathering crates to hunting.
3. At the market, use the trade resources buttons to trade all your wood for coin, and then all your coin for food. This will let you age up really quickly, you won't even send a shipment or make a house in the 1st age. Age up as soon as you have 800 food with the Quartermaster(400 wood).
4. Put all but one of your villagers on wood, and send that one towards the enemy's base to gather more wood and make a barracks as soon as you reach the 2nd age. Once you get 100 wood, make a house and then put 2-3 villagers on gold(depending on what treasures you got), rest on food.
5. As soon as you reach the 2nd age, very quickly gather the 400 wood from the ageup, make a barracks and 2 houses with it and send 5 jannisaries. Train 5 jannisaries at the barracks, and then once they finish and the shipment arrives, attack. You should have 10 jannisaries and your explorer attacking along with your partner's identical group of units by around 4:40, you can do it faster though. New settlers should go to coin until you have 4 or 5 on coin, than they go to food. You should have another shipment pretty soon after your first one, so send 700 food for more jannisaries.
6. Keep on spamming jannisaries 5 at a time from the barracks, and attack his base. After that, you can send 600 food, 3 hussars, or 700 coin/wood.
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castles, castles everywhere.
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uhm, 1v2 in age series you have 1 basically "6 pool" him while the other one "techs" like mad. All you need is a build order for the rushing guy.
this is even more devestating than in games like starcraft because in the age series you have the 4 ages which all have much stronger units than the previous ones.
And please dont make fun of the age series, age of empires 2 was highly competetive and requires the same skills SC does, its just that you dont have the whole korean pro scene around it that ups the skill ceiling by playing it for a living.
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Lol. Do What I would always do when people would challenge me on my "Quake is the hardest FPS" statements. Agree to play them at whatever game they choose to name, if they'll play you in Quake. Whoever destroys the other hardest wins. So far, I've done this with Halo 1/2/3, and CoD:MW1/2/BO. I am also undefeated, and have won in THEIR game a few times. (Halo 1 and 3, to be fair, I was pretty good with the pistol in Halo CE). The Quake results(Quake Live, free to play, no excuses) are HILARIOUS. I haven't died once to any of them. Most quit about 5 minutes in as I jump around in circles around them collecting every powerup and spawn raping them. Even more hilarious, most ask for controllers.
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I don't have any experience with that game but I do have lots of experience owning people on their own playing field in rts games back in my highschool, strictly because of my mechanics (which are only about D+). It got kind of funny at times, but here's a few tips. This is mostly useful for next time, but oh well.
-Regardless of the game/challenge, never play against the person without some kind of practice games before hand. If the other person has an issue with this and you don't get your way then I suggest attending some debate classes or reading a book so you don't get pushed around verbally by people with unsound logic.
-Make your unit compositions very simple. Even if the opponent has primarily made units which counter yours, you should be able to overwhelm them with sheer numbers with your macro, assuming that you indeed to have good mechanics. Numbers are the scrubs worst nightmare, as he is probably counting on using little gimmicks to beat you.
-Keep pressuring him constantly. Another one which scrubs have a hard time handling. Even if it looks like he's defending it well, if you aren't bleeding yourself dry by focusing all your attention on the attack then you are probably ahead as you can pretty much guarantee that's all he is doing.
-Research is the key. Replays are unlikely, but if you can get a hold of some then do it. If he plays at school or wherever then watch over his shoulder secretly or otherwise and get an idea of how good he actually is or what his primary unit compositions are. Is he playing against the mentally retarded AI or the hardest one? Get a friend to do this if you can't.
Sorry I couldn't give you specific advice, but the advice I gave has yet to fail me.
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there's all this shit in the game that is fucked up.
for example, i would constantly build villagers and never stop. but somehow, he would still have more villagers than i do (this is before you can make more nexus).
and somehow he has more resources than i do, even though i look at the post game and i don't see any of his villagers mining.
confusing as fuck
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Haha, sounds like he's hacking? I wouldn't be surprised cause at your iccup rank it should be easy to win.
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was he Portugese? they get extra town centers for free with each age, I consistently play people in 2v1 and win on ESO.
The real power of the game is in the DECK you make, the shipments highly determine your strategy, I do very few unit more resource shipments and more upgrade shipments.
For example, Shipment: +25% infantry train rate
church upgrade: + 25% infantry train rate
Shipment: +35% plantation (gold income)
+35% food
+25% wood
Now the strat is to get a high amount of workers on mills and plantations and make only units that require food and coin (Musketeers, cassadors, hussars, dragoons). Lots of rax/stables. you get maxxed and trade armies repeatedly untill he runs out of resources. You can train units insanel fast due to upgrades and they are really strong if you do the upgrades from the barracks and shipments.
Or you could go rush strategy and both of you get early rax and get 1 or 2 unit shipments and he wont really stand much of a chance. If he garrisons on town center or outposts just "contain" him, surround him and don't let him get resources from addition flocks or herd or mines or trees. Then you tech up and mass up units.
AOE3 was my first love, still my favorite RTS game of all time, only went to Sc2 because of Ensemble going out of business and no chance for sequel.
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On October 09 2011 12:33 Luepert wrote:
was he Portugese? they get extra town centers for free with each age, I consistently play people in 2v1 and win on ESO.
The real power of the game is in the DECK you make, the shipments highly determine your strategy, I do very few unit more resource shipments and more upgrade shipments.
For example, Shipment: +25% infantry train rate
church upgrade: + 25% infantry train rate
Shipment: +35% plantation (gold income)
+35% food
+25% wood
Now the strat is to get a high amount of workers on mills and plantations and make only units that require food and coin (Musketeers, cassadors, hussars, dragoons). Lots of rax/stables. you get maxxed and trade armies repeatedly untill he runs out of resources. You can train units insanel fast due to upgrades and they are really strong if you do the upgrades from the barracks and shipments.
Or you could go rush strategy and both of you get early rax and get 1 or 2 unit shipments and he wont really stand much of a chance. If he garrisons on town center or outposts just "contain" him, surround him and don't let him get resources from addition flocks or herd or mines or trees. Then you tech up and mass up units.
AOE3 was my first love, still my favorite RTS game of all time, only went to Sc2 because of Ensemble going out of business and no chance for sequel.
do you attack during age 3 or age 4?
also, how do you get more cards for your deck? i have shitty cards right now and i don't know how to get more.
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Wait what happened to the guy that said starcraft sucks and challenged you to 1v2 in Age of Empires 2.
How much shit does this guy talk (if it's the same guy). Damn dude. Please find someone from iccup to whoop his ass.
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