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So this other kid at our school plays AOE3 and says that starcraft1 and starcraft2 sucks and takes no skill, and he challenged me and a friend to a 2v1 AOE3 battle. Obviously, we lose, but actually, not as badly as I thought we would. Our macro through the whole game was fine. The only problem really was that I don't know what the buildings do, or what the units do, or what the major timings are. I actually don't think he's a great player, but I'm still upset that we lost.
So afterwards, I tried looking online for some AOE3 strategies and pro replays, and now am confused as fuck. I found this AOE3 Heaven webpage, and on the strategy section, there's like, 100 different build orders for each of the 10 different races in AOE3, with no explanation on what the basic most important build orders are, or how to react within a build order, or the rational behind anything.
If anyone could point me in the direction of some realllllly l33t stuff, like Day[9] for AOE3, or gomtv for AOE3, or something like that, that would be awesome. I also couldn't find any highly skilled AOE3 player youtube videos, because everyone's just noob as fuck. And the commentary was just as abysmal if not more.
TLDR: depressed after losing a 1v2 (we were the 2) against this trash talking AOE3 player who said SC2 sucks. want to win against that faggot but don't know what to do, and can't find any good AOE3 pro videos or commentaries. plz help!!
 
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Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage.
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If SC takes no skill, ask him to play against you. Should be ezpz for the kid then.
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you're kind of screwed here; if i were in that guy's position i would never agree to a rematch. just forget about it, and next time someone trash talks starcraft challenge HIM to a 1vX game of sc.
i don't think RTS are similar enough that if you play regularly (unless you're like forever bronze) you could realistically lose a 1v2 match to people who have never played your RTS before. maybe an FPS you could play their game 1v2, but not something like sc or aoe.
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On October 05 2011 18:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage.
D+ mechanics > other rts's imo
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RTS-Sanctuary is the best site for AoE3, basically all high level players post there, or at least they used to when the game was active.
http://rts-sanctuary.com/index.php?act=news&portal=AOE3
I assume you are playing with no expansions?
All you both really need to do is age up, proxy 2 barracks outside his base, than make musketeers.
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On October 05 2011 18:57 puppykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 18:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage. D+ mechanics > other rts's imo
You've clearly never played other RTS games.
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you should've double villager rushed him 
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On October 05 2011 19:12 duk3 wrote:
All you both really need to do is age up, proxy 2 barracks outside his base, than make musketeers. Lol...
There are a tonne of replays out but heaps of them are mediocre. Youtube tutorials are probably the easiest way to go.
Btw, how could he lose? You had no idea of unit composition or buildings, I mean, isn't that kinda imba?
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On October 05 2011 18:45 infinity2k9 wrote:
Wait you actually lost? Haha. I don't understand how you could lose if you have C+ BW mechanics though? What did he do to be able to win with such a disadvantage.
Well in AoE3 you have your city (that you customize outside the game) that levels up as you play games, higher levels give more advanced shipments that you send yourself during a match. If his city was much higher level, it is not surprising at all he could have won a 1v2, much less surprising than a 1v2 in SC2, where everything is dead even.
Not to mention the OP said he didn't even know what each building did...
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Okay, here is a really easy all-in build order for ottomans, you don't even have to make villagers since the town center does it automatically for you, if both of you do this, than you can beat him regardless of home city level or skill, only cards you need are 5 jannisaries and 700 food:
+ Show Spoiler +1. Take 2 of your villagers and have them gather your crates, send the rest to hunting your nearby animals (bison, deer, turkeys). Send your explorer around gathering treasures for more resources. Send 1 villager out to shoot a herd back in the direction of your TC (animals will run away from the villager that shoots them, they will run every 11 seconds or so, so just continue to shoot them towards TC every once in awhile).
2. Rally new villagers that are automatically produced from the town center to hunting. Make a market as soon as you finish gathering the crates with your villagers. Send the 2 villagers that were gathering crates to hunting.
3. At the market, use the trade resources buttons to trade all your wood for coin, and then all your coin for food. This will let you age up really quickly, you won't even send a shipment or make a house in the 1st age. Age up as soon as you have 800 food with the Quartermaster(400 wood).
4. Put all but one of your villagers on wood, and send that one towards the enemy's base to gather more wood and make a barracks as soon as you reach the 2nd age. Once you get 100 wood, make a house and then put 2-3 villagers on gold(depending on what treasures you got), rest on food.
5. As soon as you reach the 2nd age, very quickly gather the 400 wood from the ageup, make a barracks and 2 houses with it and send 5 jannisaries. Train 5 jannisaries at the barracks, and then once they finish and the shipment arrives, attack. You should have 10 jannisaries and your explorer attacking along with your partner's identical group of units by around 4:40, you can do it faster though. New settlers should go to coin until you have 4 or 5 on coin, than they go to food. You should have another shipment pretty soon after your first one, so send 700 food for more jannisaries.
6. Keep on spamming jannisaries 5 at a time from the barracks, and attack his base. After that, you can send 600 food, 3 hussars, or 700 coin/wood.
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castles, castles everywhere.
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uhm, 1v2 in age series you have 1 basically "6 pool" him while the other one "techs" like mad. All you need is a build order for the rushing guy.
this is even more devestating than in games like starcraft because in the age series you have the 4 ages which all have much stronger units than the previous ones.
And please dont make fun of the age series, age of empires 2 was highly competetive and requires the same skills SC does, its just that you dont have the whole korean pro scene around it that ups the skill ceiling by playing it for a living.
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Lol. Do What I would always do when people would challenge me on my "Quake is the hardest FPS" statements. Agree to play them at whatever game they choose to name, if they'll play you in Quake. Whoever destroys the other hardest wins. So far, I've done this with Halo 1/2/3, and CoD:MW1/2/BO. I am also undefeated, and have won in THEIR game a few times. (Halo 1 and 3, to be fair, I was pretty good with the pistol in Halo CE). The Quake results(Quake Live, free to play, no excuses) are HILARIOUS. I haven't died once to any of them. Most quit about 5 minutes in as I jump around in circles around them collecting every powerup and spawn raping them. Even more hilarious, most ask for controllers.
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I don't have any experience with that game but I do have lots of experience owning people on their own playing field in rts games back in my highschool, strictly because of my mechanics (which are only about D+). It got kind of funny at times, but here's a few tips. This is mostly useful for next time, but oh well.
-Regardless of the game/challenge, never play against the person without some kind of practice games before hand. If the other person has an issue with this and you don't get your way then I suggest attending some debate classes or reading a book so you don't get pushed around verbally by people with unsound logic.
-Make your unit compositions very simple. Even if the opponent has primarily made units which counter yours, you should be able to overwhelm them with sheer numbers with your macro, assuming that you indeed to have good mechanics. Numbers are the scrubs worst nightmare, as he is probably counting on using little gimmicks to beat you.
-Keep pressuring him constantly. Another one which scrubs have a hard time handling. Even if it looks like he's defending it well, if you aren't bleeding yourself dry by focusing all your attention on the attack then you are probably ahead as you can pretty much guarantee that's all he is doing.
-Research is the key. Replays are unlikely, but if you can get a hold of some then do it. If he plays at school or wherever then watch over his shoulder secretly or otherwise and get an idea of how good he actually is or what his primary unit compositions are. Is he playing against the mentally retarded AI or the hardest one? Get a friend to do this if you can't.
Sorry I couldn't give you specific advice, but the advice I gave has yet to fail me.
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there's all this shit in the game that is fucked up.
for example, i would constantly build villagers and never stop. but somehow, he would still have more villagers than i do (this is before you can make more nexus).
and somehow he has more resources than i do, even though i look at the post game and i don't see any of his villagers mining.
confusing as fuck
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Haha, sounds like he's hacking? I wouldn't be surprised cause at your iccup rank it should be easy to win.
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was he Portugese? they get extra town centers for free with each age, I consistently play people in 2v1 and win on ESO.
The real power of the game is in the DECK you make, the shipments highly determine your strategy, I do very few unit more resource shipments and more upgrade shipments.
For example, Shipment: +25% infantry train rate
church upgrade: + 25% infantry train rate
Shipment: +35% plantation (gold income)
+35% food
+25% wood
Now the strat is to get a high amount of workers on mills and plantations and make only units that require food and coin (Musketeers, cassadors, hussars, dragoons). Lots of rax/stables. you get maxxed and trade armies repeatedly untill he runs out of resources. You can train units insanel fast due to upgrades and they are really strong if you do the upgrades from the barracks and shipments.
Or you could go rush strategy and both of you get early rax and get 1 or 2 unit shipments and he wont really stand much of a chance. If he garrisons on town center or outposts just "contain" him, surround him and don't let him get resources from addition flocks or herd or mines or trees. Then you tech up and mass up units.
AOE3 was my first love, still my favorite RTS game of all time, only went to Sc2 because of Ensemble going out of business and no chance for sequel.
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On October 09 2011 12:33 Luepert wrote:
was he Portugese? they get extra town centers for free with each age, I consistently play people in 2v1 and win on ESO.
The real power of the game is in the DECK you make, the shipments highly determine your strategy, I do very few unit more resource shipments and more upgrade shipments.
For example, Shipment: +25% infantry train rate
church upgrade: + 25% infantry train rate
Shipment: +35% plantation (gold income)
+35% food
+25% wood
Now the strat is to get a high amount of workers on mills and plantations and make only units that require food and coin (Musketeers, cassadors, hussars, dragoons). Lots of rax/stables. you get maxxed and trade armies repeatedly untill he runs out of resources. You can train units insanel fast due to upgrades and they are really strong if you do the upgrades from the barracks and shipments.
Or you could go rush strategy and both of you get early rax and get 1 or 2 unit shipments and he wont really stand much of a chance. If he garrisons on town center or outposts just "contain" him, surround him and don't let him get resources from addition flocks or herd or mines or trees. Then you tech up and mass up units.
AOE3 was my first love, still my favorite RTS game of all time, only went to Sc2 because of Ensemble going out of business and no chance for sequel.
do you attack during age 3 or age 4?
also, how do you get more cards for your deck? i have shitty cards right now and i don't know how to get more.
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Wait what happened to the guy that said starcraft sucks and challenged you to 1v2 in Age of Empires 2.
How much shit does this guy talk (if it's the same guy). Damn dude. Please find someone from iccup to whoop his ass.
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I played aoe3 quiet a bit and was decent at it. Just to give you an idea of my level of advice I was rated ~2150 in 1v1 elo (the best players would get to 2400 range max, with maybe like 2 exceptions, dont really remember) and I participated in aoe3 WCG (though I performed poorly :[).
Ill just assume it is the original version and not any of the expansions. Generally you either do a fast age 2 rush, or you go to age 3 and hit them with more powerful units like cannons. The easier and safer thing to do is just age 2 rush. Generally you make a composition of 2 unit types and need to micro them vs whatever he makes. You can do light infantry + hvy infantry or hvy infantry + cavalry. You of course set your units vs its counters, so you will put your cav on his light infantry, or move your hvy infantry to meet his cavalry or whatever the case may be.
Some Build orders:
one of the easiest and best rushed I prefer is a french double rax. the idea is to get to age 2 with the 400 wood advancement, then u make 2 raxes and spam crossbowman, and then make pikemen to counter any cavalry he might make and to seige his buildings. (crossbows and pikes use the same resources, so this is easy to manage).
For this you need to use the french, you will gather all food till you hit the 800 you need to age, typically with the shipment of vills (which you always want to use as your first) this is at 13 vills.
on the age up you choose 400 wood, and u take 7 of your workers and place them on wood and leave the rest on food. send 2 on wood forward (about halfway across the map to your enemy), use these to build 2 barracks with the 400 wood you recive on ageup, leave them there on wood and use them to build houses as needed or another rax later as you get more income. the second card you send is the 700 wood card, with this you will be able to immediatly get a nice amount of infantry, and you attack him. You keep workers going onto wood intill about 13 are gathering wood. This is enough for a constant stream of 10 units at a time (5 from each barracks).
In a 2v1 setting just doing this should win. because the number of units from the both of you will be massive, and in a 1v1 setting this works fine too, you just want to see what he is gathering as he ages (if he is on gold, expect cavalry or hvy infantry depending on the civ). and build your units accordingly.
Some general tips: Use your explorer to gather treasures, they add up. Normally each map has a "large" treasure that is fairly important to get. for example on great plains there will be a 140 food treasure that is easy to get at level one, this will obviously allow you to age up extremely fast. With 2v1, you can use both of your explorers to go after some of the larger ones, like the free villigar ones that are guarded by lots of animals.
Herd your hunt, you want to be on hunt ( animals) instead of berries because you gather food faster this way. typically you start with a small amount of hunt directly at your town center, with 2 or more groups a little further out. If you take a villager and move him behind the hunt, then shoot at it in the direction of your town center, the animal herd will run in this direction. With good micro you can get the herd directly on top of your town center. This is good because it protects you from villager raids, as you can easily put them into the town center without losing anything, and it also cuts down on villager idle time (your villagers do not have to walk at all, the herds are all grouped together).
In a 2v1 setting it might be best to one person go french and do the build order i described, and one person go ottomans and just make Janissary. Ottomans can easily do the fastest age time and get units out the fastest. just put all vills on food, age when you can with 400 wood, put 3-4 vills on gold while u age, send 2 forward to build your forward barracks, then spam jans and send jans or cavlary as your second card on ageup.
Hope this helps, I havent played the game in forever so just went off of memory basically, if you have any questions just ask.
EDIT: I see someone earlier posted an ottoman rush, as I said it is good and the fastest rush you can do. But it reminded me to mention that you sort of need to know whether you want to be offensive or defensive in your rush. For example if you are french and your opponent is ottomans, you know he can get his rush going before you can, so you build your barracks in your base and gather your light infantry there instead of in the middle of the map where he will just kill your buildings before you can get anything. But if you do this you have to make sure he isnt trying to get a fast age 3, because then you are in trouble.
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On October 09 2011 14:56 Kickstart wrote:
I played aoe3 quiet a bit and was decent at it. Just to give you an idea of my level of advice I was rated ~2150 in 1v1 elo (the best players would get to 2400 range max, with maybe like 2 exceptions, dont really remember) and I participated in aoe3 WCG (though I performed poorly :[).
Ill just assume it is the original version and not any of the expansions. Generally you either do a fast age 2 rush, or you go to age 3 and hit them with more powerful units like cannons. The easier and safer thing to do is just age 2 rush. Generally you make a composition of 2 unit types and need to micro them vs whatever he makes. You can do light infantry + hvy infantry or hvy infantry + cavalry. You of course set your units vs its counters, so you will put your cav on his light infantry, or move your hvy infantry to meet his cavalry or whatever the case may be.
Some Build orders:
one of the easiest and best rushed I prefer is a french double rax. the idea is to get to age 2 with the 400 wood advancement, then u make 2 raxes and spam crossbowman, and then make pikemen to counter any cavalry he might make and to seige his buildings. (crossbows and pikes use the same resources, so this is easy to manage).
For this you need to use the french, you will gather all food till you hit the 800 you need to age, typically with the shipment of vills (which you always want to use as your first) this is at 13 vills.
on the age up you choose 400 wood, and u take 7 of your workers and place them on wood and leave the rest on food. send 2 on wood forward (about halfway across the map to your enemy), use these to build 2 barracks with the 400 wood you recive on ageup, leave them there on wood and use them to build houses as needed or another rax later as you get more income. the second card you send is the 700 wood card, with this you will be able to immediatly get a nice amount of infantry, and you attack him. You keep workers going onto wood intill about 13 are gathering wood. This is enough for a constant stream of 10 units at a time (5 from each barracks).
In a 2v1 setting just doing this should win. because the number of units from the both of you will be massive, and in a 1v1 setting this works fine too, you just want to see what he is gathering as he ages (if he is on gold, expect cavalry or hvy infantry depending on the civ). and build your units accordingly.
Some general tips: Use your explorer to gather treasures, they add up. Normally each map has a "large" treasure that is fairly important to get. for example on great plains there will be a 140 food treasure that is easy to get at level one, this will obviously allow you to age up extremely fast. With 2v1, you can use both of your explorers to go after some of the larger ones, like the free villigar ones that are guarded by lots of animals.
Herd your hunt, you want to be on hunt ( animals) instead of berries because you gather food faster this way. typically you start with a small amount of hunt directly at your town center, with 2 or more groups a little further out. If you take a villager and move him behind the hunt, then shoot at it in the direction of your town center, the animal herd will run in this direction. With good micro you can get the herd directly on top of your town center. This is good because it protects you from villager raids, as you can easily put them into the town center without losing anything, and it also cuts down on villager idle time (your villagers do not have to walk at all, the herds are all grouped together).
In a 2v1 setting it might be best to one person go french and do the build order i described, and one person go ottomans and just make Janissary. Ottomans can easily do the fastest age time and get units out the fastest. just put all vills on food, age when you can with 400 wood, put 3-4 vills on gold while u age, send 2 forward to build your forward barracks, then spam jans and send jans or cavlary as your second card on ageup.
Hope this helps, I havent played the game in forever so just went off of memory basically, if you have any questions just ask.
EDIT: I see someone earlier posted an ottoman rush, as I said it is good and the fastest rush you can do. But it reminded me to mention that you sort of need to know whether you want to be offensive or defensive in your rush. For example if you are french and your opponent is ottomans, you know he can get his rush going before you can, so you build your barracks in your base and gather your light infantry there instead of in the middle of the map where he will just kill your buildings before you can get anything. But if you do this you have to make sure he isnt trying to get a fast age 3, because then you are in trouble.
sweet. going to do exactly what you are saying.
though something that happens during the game is that when i attack him, i don't see any villagers or buildings, just a town hall. i have no clue where the rest of his shit is. then i scout all over the place and can't find him. by then my rush has failed 
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If he moves everything it shouldnt be that much of an issue, if you rush and get the upper hand or force him to move, then the rush has been effective, work towards aging up now. As the french you get your explorer and a native scout, so you have 2 effective scouts, you should be able to keep track of everything. And again if he moves, this is wasted time and resources on his part, so if you can maintain constant villager production you should be fine. (in age 3 as france you should switch to cavalry and skirmishers, so you turn your economy to food and LOTS of gold as you age to 3, from being food and wood in age2).
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Seriously don't dodge- is this the same guy that challenged you to AOEII? Just beat him at brood war already :O
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On October 09 2011 14:56 Kickstart wrote:
I played aoe3 quiet a bit and was decent at it. Just to give you an idea of my level of advice I was rated ~2150 in 1v1 elo (the best players would get to 2400 range max, with maybe like 2 exceptions, dont really remember) and I participated in aoe3 WCG (though I performed poorly :[).
Ill just assume it is the original version and not any of the expansions. Generally you either do a fast age 2 rush, or you go to age 3 and hit them with more powerful units like cannons. The easier and safer thing to do is just age 2 rush. Generally you make a composition of 2 unit types and need to micro them vs whatever he makes. You can do light infantry + hvy infantry or hvy infantry + cavalry. You of course set your units vs its counters, so you will put your cav on his light infantry, or move your hvy infantry to meet his cavalry or whatever the case may be.
Some Build orders:
one of the easiest and best rushed I prefer is a french double rax. the idea is to get to age 2 with the 400 wood advancement, then u make 2 raxes and spam crossbowman, and then make pikemen to counter any cavalry he might make and to seige his buildings. (crossbows and pikes use the same resources, so this is easy to manage).
For this you need to use the french, you will gather all food till you hit the 800 you need to age, typically with the shipment of vills (which you always want to use as your first) this is at 13 vills.
on the age up you choose 400 wood, and u take 7 of your workers and place them on wood and leave the rest on food. send 2 on wood forward (about halfway across the map to your enemy), use these to build 2 barracks with the 400 wood you recive on ageup, leave them there on wood and use them to build houses as needed or another rax later as you get more income. the second card you send is the 700 wood card, with this you will be able to immediatly get a nice amount of infantry, and you attack him. You keep workers going onto wood intill about 13 are gathering wood. This is enough for a constant stream of 10 units at a time (5 from each barracks).
In a 2v1 setting just doing this should win. because the number of units from the both of you will be massive, and in a 1v1 setting this works fine too, you just want to see what he is gathering as he ages (if he is on gold, expect cavalry or hvy infantry depending on the civ). and build your units accordingly.
Some general tips: Use your explorer to gather treasures, they add up. Normally each map has a "large" treasure that is fairly important to get. for example on great plains there will be a 140 food treasure that is easy to get at level one, this will obviously allow you to age up extremely fast. With 2v1, you can use both of your explorers to go after some of the larger ones, like the free villigar ones that are guarded by lots of animals.
Herd your hunt, you want to be on hunt ( animals) instead of berries because you gather food faster this way. typically you start with a small amount of hunt directly at your town center, with 2 or more groups a little further out. If you take a villager and move him behind the hunt, then shoot at it in the direction of your town center, the animal herd will run in this direction. With good micro you can get the herd directly on top of your town center. This is good because it protects you from villager raids, as you can easily put them into the town center without losing anything, and it also cuts down on villager idle time (your villagers do not have to walk at all, the herds are all grouped together).
In a 2v1 setting it might be best to one person go french and do the build order i described, and one person go ottomans and just make Janissary. Ottomans can easily do the fastest age time and get units out the fastest. just put all vills on food, age when you can with 400 wood, put 3-4 vills on gold while u age, send 2 forward to build your forward barracks, then spam jans and send jans or cavlary as your second card on ageup.
Hope this helps, I havent played the game in forever so just went off of memory basically, if you have any questions just ask.
EDIT: I see someone earlier posted an ottoman rush, as I said it is good and the fastest rush you can do. But it reminded me to mention that you sort of need to know whether you want to be offensive or defensive in your rush. For example if you are french and your opponent is ottomans, you know he can get his rush going before you can, so you build your barracks in your base and gather your light infantry there instead of in the middle of the map where he will just kill your buildings before you can get anything. But if you do this you have to make sure he isnt trying to get a fast age 3, because then you are in trouble.
This guy knows what he's talking about.
I also was at one point a peak 2150 ELO player, but I played Russians, not French.
I also played Dutch, Ottomans, and Portuguese to an extent.
Basically, pick a civilization that keys into your strengths. Dutch are very good at turtling and age 2 rushing, Ottomans are good at age 2 rushing (and certain fast age 3 builds that involve Spahi) and Russians are very good at age 2 rushing.
Civilizations that are good with fast fortress (FF) are Spanish, Germans, French.
Pick one of:
Spanish, German, French, Russian, Ottoman, Russian. Then tell us what you pick and we'll tell you what's good.
Also, throw your notions about SC applying to AoE out the window. The only things that apply are multitasking and resource management. Resource management in AoE is obviously a little harder because there are more resources, (PLUS shipments, XP) so while you might think you have good macro, chances are, you don't.
Finally, a VERY key thing to consider is the way units interact. The AoE3 counter system is a little funny, but once you learn it (doesn't take long) you'll stop making dumb mistakes.
Essentially, it breaks down somewhat like what follows.
heavyinfantry/lightcavalry>cavalry(melee)>lightinfantry>heavyinfantry/lightcavalry
If you throw artillery in there, ignoring the subcategories it becomes
cavalry>artillery>infantry
Heavy infantry are defined as musketeers, pikemen, halberdiers, rodeleros, doppels, etc. Basically, any melee infantry and infantry with bayonetted muskets (like janissaries). These infantry have good HP and their melee attacks vs cavalry are devastating. You can switch musketeers into melee mode when they engage cavalry to do a lot more damage (this is important)
Light infantry are defined as skirmishers, strelets, cassadores etc. Basically anyone with a rifle (usually longer ranged). These infantry are extremely strong against heavy infantry, not only because of range, but because of their attack bonus. Get used to hitting and running with them; you need to get a feel for their rate of fire. Very weak vs cavalry. Crossbows oddly enough don't count as LI, unless this was changed in a patch, but do the same damage to all units except a bit extra to light cavalry IIRC.
Light cavalry are defined as ranged cavalry. You don't see these generally till age 3. Very good against melee cavalry and pretty decent vs artillery. Can hit and run melee infantry as well with good micro. Bad vs muskets, LI in general.
Heavy cavalry are basically all melee cavalry. Hussars, uhlans, cossacks, are all heavy cavalry, and while they don't all get bonuses vs light infantry, they're very strong against light infantry because they close quickly, LI have low base damage, and LI have very shitty melee attacks. Most heavy cavalry also have ranged resistance, so they take less damage from skirmisher type units.
Artillery obviously WTFPWN infantry, but you need them in pairs or larger. A single falconet usually doesn't do much damage because it's all burst and they have terrible DPS. Get two falconets and every time they fire they will cause handfuls of infantry to go flying in every direction. Add a third and it'll just be total destruction.
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On October 09 2011 16:48 Probe1 wrote:
Seriously don't dodge- is this the same guy that challenged you to AOEII? Just beat him at brood war already :O
no, it's because he meant AOE3 when he said AOE2, so the practicing did for aoe2 was wasted. for example, in AOE2, u age up at 25-26 workers. in AOE3, u age up at 16 workers. ya... i didn't nkow that. lost those first few games badly. had more workers, but didn't get my market upgrades as soon as he did.
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what are the first upgrades taht i should be getting at each age?
i'd imagine that (besides doing any rush first) i'd want to max out my market upgrades at each age before going to the next age?
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16 worker ageup is wrong, too many. Upgrades when rushing are kept to a minimum, you can just build a market while aging to age2 and get as many as you can.
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Actually depends on the civ and the strategy.
If you have extra wood and gold in age 1 you can get hunting dogs so you actually will gain food for no real cost to you (other than the lost villager time building the market)
Then during age up I'd suggest getting the wood upgrade, and potentially the coin upgrade if you're doing a rush that involves units that cost coin.
As Russians, for example, I'd strelet rush. Each batch of 10 strelets is 375 food 100 wood. During age up I'd get hunting dogs, then after I created my first batch of strelets and villagers I'd get the wood upgrade, since all of those things cost food.
Remember that food from hunting gathers about 20% faster than wood. Herded animals are the fastest but you don't often get them. Also you want to get into the practice of shooting animals toward your town center so your villagers don't have to walk too far when they spawn, and so that when you get attacked you can quickly garrison.
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On October 09 2011 13:57 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 12:33 Luepert wrote:
was he Portugese? they get extra town centers for free with each age, I consistently play people in 2v1 and win on ESO.
The real power of the game is in the DECK you make, the shipments highly determine your strategy, I do very few unit more resource shipments and more upgrade shipments.
For example, Shipment: +25% infantry train rate
church upgrade: + 25% infantry train rate
Shipment: +35% plantation (gold income)
+35% food
+25% wood
Now the strat is to get a high amount of workers on mills and plantations and make only units that require food and coin (Musketeers, cassadors, hussars, dragoons). Lots of rax/stables. you get maxxed and trade armies repeatedly untill he runs out of resources. You can train units insanel fast due to upgrades and they are really strong if you do the upgrades from the barracks and shipments.
Or you could go rush strategy and both of you get early rax and get 1 or 2 unit shipments and he wont really stand much of a chance. If he garrisons on town center or outposts just "contain" him, surround him and don't let him get resources from addition flocks or herd or mines or trees. Then you tech up and mass up units.
AOE3 was my first love, still my favorite RTS game of all time, only went to Sc2 because of Ensemble going out of business and no chance for sequel. do you attack during age 3 or age 4? also, how do you get more cards for your deck? i have shitty cards right now and i don't know how to get more.
I used cheat codes to level up, you could just spam practice matches, or there was a hack to level 99 all cities but I forgot it. Anyways just use regular timing tactics and attack after you get like veteran or guard upgrade. So generally 3 as soon as you can get some light infantry. Or when you get some tech. Also its a good Idea for one of you to invest in cavalry to harass his workers on the outside of his base.
There is a somewhat complex serries of counters in this game
light infantry>heavy infantry
All cav>light inf
light cav>heavy cav
heavy cav>heavy inf
heavy inf>light cav
all artillary>infantry
all cav>all art
generally people spam heavy and light infantry, so a good strategy is to mass light infantry, they are faster and have longer range than most units, thus they are the easiest to micro. Also stuff to remember if your in trouble, you can call minutemen from each towncenter, they are only good for like 20 seconds but they can same your life in a pinch.
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All cav do not beat light infantry, only melee (heavy cav) do. Light infantry actually counter light cavalry.
Likewise, you've got it backward on heavy cav and heavy inf. Heavy inf counter heavy cav.
I would say heavy inf counter all cav except for the fact that you can hit and run melee infantry with light cav
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Update us on the results yo:D
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fucking retarded. the other dude who's making the game keeps on putting random computers in so during the game, i just see all red and i don't know who's the computer and who's the other dude. I don't have my 600 wood card yet so I couldn't rush with 2 barracks, only had 1 barracks for the french rush. when i get to their base, again, i don't see anything at all. all i see is a town center and some houses. i see a wagon making a gaurd tower that's at 5% health, so i tell all my longbowmen to attack that tower, and for some reason that's beyond my ability to understand, the guard tower manages to finish with half health with 10 longbowmen attacking it all hte time, and then shoots down my longbowmen before i manage to escape.
throughout the game, i enver sto pmaking villagers and i think i have at least 50 at any point in time. at the post game, he hardly had that many, but his army somehow is 2x as big as mine.
oh ya, and game creator didn't save replay of course.
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and why the fuck do they have everything in the same colors rather than unique player colors? I see just a fucking field of yellow and red. i don't know who's who, and who i'm attacking.
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On October 10 2011 05:56 Kickstart wrote:
16 worker ageup is wrong, too many. Upgrades when rushing are kept to a minimum, you can just build a market while aging to age2 and get as many as you can.
is the age up primarily so i can attack, or primarily so i can start getting my market upgrades? if I decide that i do'nt give a shit about attacking in age 2, and i'm just trying to get to age 3 as fast as possible, should i delay going to age 2 a little so i can have more villagers working during the upgrade period?
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On October 09 2011 16:35 Kickstart wrote:
If he moves everything it shouldnt be that much of an issue, if you rush and get the upper hand or force him to move, then the rush has been effective, work towards aging up now. As the french you get your explorer and a native scout, so you have 2 effective scouts, you should be able to keep track of everything. And again if he moves, this is wasted time and resources on his part, so if you can maintain constant villager production you should be fine. (in age 3 as france you should switch to cavalry and skirmishers, so you turn your economy to food and LOTS of gold as you age to 3, from being food and wood in age2).
why not just attack with all pikemen instead of bowmen and some pikemen?
it's so pathetic watching a group of 10 bowmen attacking a constructing tower, and the tower finishing with still half health, and then killing all the bowmen. where the fuck are their villagers.
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didn't artosis play AoE3 professionally?
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On October 12 2011 12:06 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:
fucking retarded. the other dude who's making the game keeps on putting random computers in so during the game, i just see all red and i don't know who's the computer and who's the other dude. I don't have my 600 wood card yet so I couldn't rush with 2 barracks, only had 1 barracks for the french rush. when i get to their base, again, i don't see anything at all. all i see is a town center and some houses. i see a wagon making a gaurd tower that's at 5% health, so i tell all my longbowmen to attack that tower, and for some reason that's beyond my ability to understand, the guard tower manages to finish with half health with 10 longbowmen attacking it all hte time, and then shoots down my longbowmen before i manage to escape.
throughout the game, i enver sto pmaking villagers and i think i have at least 50 at any point in time. at the post game, he hardly had that many, but his army somehow is 2x as big as mine.
oh ya, and game creator didn't save replay of course.
why are you letting him make the game and add computers?
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On October 12 2011 12:51 Endymion wrote:
didn't artosis play AoE3 professionally?
i need help kicking some ass. i'm getting it handed to me and i hate it.
fucking computers.
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Turn off friend/foe colors in options. It's off by default but you turned it on
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