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THIS IS A LONG THREAD SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. ALSO IF YOU JUST SKIP TO THE VERY END WITHOUT READING THE WHOLE OP YOU WILL BE QUITE
CONFUSED
So having SC2 as a hobby I tend to spend a lot of time on the game. Me spending so much time on sc2 unfortunately makes my social skills quite bad (lets face why you like nerds?=P).
I started playing in june 2011, I was the only person that played at the time in my school (at least so I thought). Despite being a "nerd" I still have a small circle of friends I like to hang out with and play Xbox. After many attempts, I have finally got the two to play sc2. We would play every single day in the summer. There was a little bit of trolling going on here and there but it was all laughs and giggles.
Of the 3 of us, one of them got better than me (gratz to him making diamond today), but that is cool,because he is great at all video games.and I am happy for him. My other friend was in bronze I was in silver and my good friend was in gold.
After the summer my friend that was in bronze got promoted to silver.
My good friend however made it to plat, my other silver friend and I were still in silver.
Call it a curse or a blessing I had a very macro oriented mindset, that macro games will let you improve way more than one base pushes like the 4 gate. My other silver friend however (lets call him cheesy) believed you could get better by doing 4 gates and other one base pushes. He also values metagame over everything else (trust me). Cheesy eventually gets to gold before me (not complaining).
I was cool with that, he got into gold im happy for him. but unfortunately that is when the trolling starts. I get ripped on all the time for not getting into gold. I desperately wanted gold investing a lot of time and finally get promoted playing only macro styles.
We eventually found two other individuals that do play so we invited them into our little sc2 group. One of the individuals (lets call him gloaty) as his name suggests had bragged all day and night that he was good even though I 2-0 him. He recently switched to zerg (i also play zerg) saying that I suck. (Since I watch Destiny's Stream a lot, the other day he told me to get off destiny's dick then proceeded to ask me how to stop a 4 gate).
Cheesy was recently promoted to plat with a great 4 gate and 3 gate robo. I am currently ange from me sucking at sc2 to me being fat (i am slightly overweight). Because we are all on skysitting in high gold and so is gloaty.I am getting trolled so hard by cheesy and gloaty. Insults rpe every night, I have to hear them troll me when I am laddering.
Perhaps this does not apply to you, but I play significantly worse when I have people saying how bad I am and how I am fat as shit and need to lose weight WHEN I AM PLAYING. So I los
e more games, losing fuels even more trolling. Just today I was playing toss against a terran a could have easily beat. My unit comp was archon ht and chargelots. Just when the final decisive battle was about to start. Cheesy ends the call and Skype pulls me back to desktop. Needless to say I did not use a single storm. Yes I am mad
Right after the game cheesy begins to "troll" me through text messaging. Then he calls me asks if am mad, I rage, he again says "You are SO MAD" and then he says he is recording the calls and says he will let everyone at school hear it tommorow.
I am honestly in a situation where I don't know what to do. I tried to counter troll and it does kind of work until my good friend gets tired of it (my good friend usually takes my side on arguments and troll wars, unfortunately he is never on when I am laddering).
Also I am on the verge of giving up on macro games and do what cheesy does because that promotion (which would mean less trolling since I would be in the same league as cheesy) seems too good.
I really do not want to lose this group of friends but I am sick of getting "trolled" as it does put in a depressive state after every laddering session.
Also what I can do is quite limited as I am really young (15) but I really want to take action before this affects my school grades.
Thank you very much for reading! I know it looks as if I am bitching the whole time (there is some bitching involved I will not lie) But I guess this is one of those typical "WHAT DO I DO" teen situations. But I would be so very flattered if some of the more mature older TL members could share some words of wisdom.
 
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why don't you just tell them it makes you upset? if they still continue then perhaps it's not in your best interest to stay friends with them
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If he really gets on your nerves so much, the best thing you can do is tell him the truth.
I used to be like that, shooting insults at every occasion and always thought my friends would tell me if I overdid it. They never did. So I learned the hard way.
If he's still a dick after you tell him, you can still block him in skype and tell him to fuck off. You don't need to tolerate that kinda shit.
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Don't hang out around people who make you feel bad about yourself or just take what they are saying as a joke and write it off as nothing. Either way, people progress at different rates in the game and then hit a plateau at some point. Just keep pushing and trying to get better. Find a better group of friends even if they are online.
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I have asked why is being an asshole but the usual answer is either "don't be mad" or it is "your fat"
Usually something that has nothing to doing with anything. He has never told me to go kill myself or anything over the top so I kind of just swallow the trolling.
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Macro is only soo much of a game. If you only focus on macro, you will be a macro player, not a 'well-rounded' player.
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Sounds like you have some reach douche bags around you, I had a similar situation but only with one person. My advice would be to cease all contact with them if it continues and then just keep playing the game for fun, people improve at different rates but if you're playing macro games then you're on the right path.
I wish you good luck.
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you should probably learn how to play early aggression so you actually can multitask better. Sticking to learning how to play macro games is kind of limiting yourself whether or not you want to believe it (personally i think you're going to have to face up to the fact they're ahead of you by cheesing. a lot of people don't know how to handle early aggression which is why its powerful)
also your friends are retarded and you should start lifting weights to teach them a lesson. I wouldnt suggest cutting off communication because thats also a retard move but you need to put them in their place and if you cant do it via sc2 do it via irL /shrug
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Cheesey and gloatey sound like dicks and the above options Of asking them to be nicewill only get him more ridiculed. First off, please be one of the few who values their macro capabilities over their league. You should get someone to play For you and beat them so they will be quiet. If you think this suggestion is idiotic, please consider someone bragging and ridiculing someone for being in a Lower league and not 4 gating to gold or diamond.
~keep on macroing.
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Sounds more like your friends are dicks and are the type of people I ignore on bnet / irl in a heart beat.
Trolling once in awhile is fine if it's well done, but typically people who troll a lot are idiots. They can't say anything smart so they say really stupid stuff instead then go "lol i'm just trolling" and hope no one notices they don't ever say anything actually intelligent because they can't. The amusement gained from trolling is pretty simple minded too. It's the internet equivalent of "whoa whats that over there, hurr hurr made you look!"
At least that's my take on those types of people. Sounds more like a friend issue than a sc2 issue and it's pretty funny considering by most standards everyone is terrible in that group just by slightly differing degrees.
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If you know that they are trolling, you need to learn how to ignore it. Let it go in one ear and out the other. Laugh along with it, and go "you got me good." Why get mad and depress when you can be laughing at the situations. Trolling is part of middle school and high school, thats what kids like to do in school, so just learn how to ignore it.
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Seems like them two are just venting spite on the 'not-too popular' kid, sadly, for no reason at all
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Why did the structure and the grammar of your main paragraph (with the "trolling" issue) suffer so much? Looks like it was written by a different person.
Whatever, your friend sounds like a dumb little shit. Tell your group of buddies you won't play games with him until he stops being an asshole. It must be something they've noticed as well.
Edit: I thought "gloaty" was the only prick. Fuck the two of them altogether. You don't need 'em for anything.
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Asking someone why they are an asshole and saying that you will not tolerate harassment are kind of different though.
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Just get better than him and own him, I also believe you improve way more by playing a macro game.
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They sound like great friends!
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Really? Play with other people that won't text flame you.
The internet has kind of a lot of other people...
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Dear DealeR, I meant msg you sooner I've just been busy
You said you had a partner now, what division is he?
Look, I'm really flattered that you'd name your ID that
Here's a build order for Cheesy, I wrote it down here all in caps
I'm really sorry that I took so long just to PM you
don't think I did that shit intentionally just to BM you
And what's this stuff where you said about you like to use some cheese too?
I did that once in GSL, come on, how bronze league is you?
You got some issues, DealeR, I think you need some coachin
to help you from falling down the rank when using only roaches
And what's this shit about us meant to team together?
That type of shit don’t make me not want us to play each other
I really think you and your partner need each other
And maybe that can make you even better
I hope you get to see this message...I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt your rank, you guys will be doing just fine
If you change your strat a little, I'm glad I inspired you, but DealeR
Why are you so mad? Try to understand that I don't want you to be so bad
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I saw this one thread on Team Liquid a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some kid “all-ined” every game and always lost
Dropped a couple leagues, got mad and finally he switched to Toss
In his posts they found a cast, didn’t say who it was to
Come to think about it..his name was..it was you...Damn
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Obvious solution to this is set up a showmatch between you, cheesey, and gloaty, where you allow one of TL's resident gosus play in your stead.
Or just get a little coaching, bro.
The difference between Gold and Diamond is knowledge.
PM me, I'd be glad to talk you through a couple games.
(because I can't stand dickholes. Not because I'm into giving out charity)
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OP, how old are you? Your situation seems pretty weird and awkward, I really don't know what to think of it.
You could also become serious at the game (especially if you play so much) and just get to Diamond. If you're serious and open-minded it's ezee peezee.
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On September 26 2011 19:59 Kukaracha wrote:
OP, how old are you? Your situation seems pretty weird and awkward, I really don't know what to think of it.
You could also become serious at the game (especially if you play so much) and just get to Diamond. If you're serious and open-minded it's ezee peezee.
If you had read his entire post you would know he's 15.
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Go to their houses and use a baseball bat, preferably a metal one and break their legs. That will teach them.
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Your friends sound like losers, and you seem pretty cool. If you want some training or advice, add me online viCe.829 (master T, diamond random).
Also some advice for bullies, you have 3 choices IMO. Walk away from them, try to talk to them in an honest open matter explaining you won't tolerate their bullshit, or talk shit back.
I prefer option 2, and if that fails, option 3. Usually bullies cower away when their victims fight back. Keep practicing option 3, and if they don't stop, option 1 ^^
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This reminds me of a time in high school when me and a friend started being dicks to our other friend and ended up ostracizing him. Looking back, it was a horrible, bitchy thing to do and there was no good reason for it. I can only think that at the time we were insecure about ourselves and by being mean to the other guy we were trying bolster our own egos and cement our friendship or something (not that this is any excuse). Our rationale at the time was that he would call us too often and try to have long, pointless phone conversations so we started accusing him of being gay etc.
He ended up having to hang out with other people until time passed and we realized we were being dicks and made up with him (we did apologize eventually to our credit and he is still a good friend of mine today). So maybe your best option will be to just try and spend time with other friends until they grow up a bit.
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On September 26 2011 20:00 pred470r wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 19:59 Kukaracha wrote:
OP, how old are you? Your situation seems pretty weird and awkward, I really don't know what to think of it.
You could also become serious at the game (especially if you play so much) and just get to Diamond. If you're serious and open-minded it's ezee peezee. If you had read his entire post you would know he's 15.
To my defense I read almost everything, but I did skip a few sentences when I started getting confused about the situation and their state of mind.
To me, this sounds like one of Cho Seng Hui's plays. Awkward, confusing and somewhat grotesque.
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they aren't trolling you. i don't think you even know what trolling means. they are making fun of you - that's not trolling
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On September 26 2011 19:42 pred470r wrote:
Dear DealeR, I meant msg you sooner I've just been busy
You said you had a partner now, what division is he?
Look, I'm really flattered that you'd name your ID that
Here's a build order for Cheesy, I wrote it down here all in caps
I'm really sorry that I took so long just to PM you
don't think I did that shit intentionally just to BM you
And what's this stuff where you said about you like to use some cheese too?
I did that once in GSL, come on, how bronze league is you?
You got some issues, DealeR, I think you need some coachin
to help you from falling down the rank when using only roaches
And what's this shit about us meant to team together?
That type of shit don’t make me not want us to play each other
I really think you and your partner need each other
And maybe that can make you even better
I hope you get to see this message...I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt your rank, you guys will be doing just fine
If you change your strat a little, I'm glad I inspired you, but DealeR
Why are you so mad? Try to understand that I don't want you to be so bad
I just don't want you to do some crazy shit
I saw this one thread on Team Liquid a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some kid “all-ined” every game and always lost
Dropped a couple leagues, got mad and finally he switched to Toss
In his posts they found a cast, didn’t say who it was to
Come to think about it..his name was..it was you...Damn
NIASE 'stan' by eminem reference. In all seriousness, just get new friends, real friends accept you for who you are.
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Newsflash that guy isn't trolling you, he probably doesn't like you and is picking on you.
I sure as hell wouldn't spend time with someone that was seriously telling me i was fat all the time. Any time it's more then just a joke it would be plenty of reason to stop hanging out with someone.
Why would you spend your free time with a person that makes you feel like shit...
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i rip on my friends all the time, but this guy just seems like a dick. i'd play with someone else if he doesn't stop
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lol so you're mad because they're making fun of you for being bad?
Time to get real, they're not really your "friends" are they? Some of the people you knew before but the others seem like a bunch of nerds who only got to know you (and each other) for the sake of having someone to rip apart in SC2, both in-game and in life. Naw, they're not really your friends. To them at least, you're probably some tool to vent off their anger and have a laugh at.
That Skype call was a little trolling probably, otherwise there aren't much trolling here. Unless you're trying to troll us, of course. Looks like you're on the receiving end of bullying. I suggest you deal with it straight-up. Tell them in their face that they're a bunch of dicks and that you're going to ladder on your own.
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Dude you just got a free coaching lesson from Mr. Bitter. That's way better than a free coaching lesson from pachi trust me. Take him up on that.
Also I skipped right to the end on purpose and read the blog backwards. I'm so nonconformist.
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On September 26 2011 21:25 ~_~ wrote:
i rip on my friends all the time, but this guy just seems like a dick. i'd play with someone else if he doesn't stop
Ofcourse, everyone does.
But there is a fine line between poking fun of each other and harassing each other.
If my friend calls me a bitch i can laugh it off but he needs only shift the tone of his voice and it can be an insult.
It's those subtle things. No real friend is gonna keep going if he knows it's pissing you off and unless you have autism, you know when you are pissing someone off.
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Actual friends trolling don't make you feel bad. They're not your friends if you don't handle their heat. Had someone that continuously made fun of everyone in our little group of friends in HS but I certainly never let it bother me much. Yeah, sometimes he went a bit off and he got a slap on the back of the head but overall it was all in good fun, can't actually be mad at a friend poking fun at obvious flaws. And to this day I have a lot of fun having a beer with him when we meet. Find some real friends.
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On September 26 2011 21:12 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
they aren't trolling you. i don't think you even know what trolling means. they are making fun of you - that's not trolling
Yep.
Time to get new friends. The answer to this is just "hey, you guys are dicks to me all the time, so go fuck yourselves, I'm not hanging out with you anymore".
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If the trolling makes you mad, then you're probably being made fun of. Besides that, you don't have to always be on skype. You could just close skype for a bit, dedicate an hour or two for yourself, and not be disturbed by any trolls.
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There is a very fine line between banter and actually being hurtful, and I think a lot of people are not aware enough to know when they cross that line. For example, I do like to tease my friends, take the piss and have a bit of banter. But there are certain things I won't touch. So, I will take the piss out of my friend because he is so obsessed with his appearance, and he takes as much time "getting ready" to go to the pub as a typical girl does for a big night out. But I won't take the piss out of someone's appearance or anything that they feel is serious or are really awkward about.
That being said, I think your friends KNOW that they are crossing that line, and at that point they actually stop being your friends. They are leeching your own self esteem to build up their own low self esteem. My advice would be to fuck them off and find some more worthwhile friends.
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You're 15 so you'll probably have a hard time actually following through with the good advice we give you, and that is to really cease all contact with them. It's that simple. If they really want to be good friends, then they'll look to apologize and figure out what's wrong. If they're going to be douchebags, no need to continue hanging out with them. As you get older you'll realize that people like are just a waste of time to hang out with.
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so these guys are like grade 10? lol I knew people who thought this was an amusing way to spend the time while playing... needless to say I ditched them pretty quickly and they couldn't understand why... I wasn't even the one in your position and it still irritated me to no end. Good luck man, I wouldn't take that shit while I'm playing >.<
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I'll tell you exactly how you deal with assholes like that: You set your skype status to offline for about a week and practice on your own. When they meet you at school, just don't talk to them for a bit. The best way to deal with idiots like that is to ignore them, until they either apologize or move on.
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He sounds like an idiot, you should probably stop associating with people like that it's embarrassing by association.
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I've gone through similar ordeals myself. You should either learn to put up with it (by developing a sense of humour and going along with the insults), or find a new group of friends. You can't change people, but you can change the ones you spend time with.
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You sound like a huge manchild who is getting pissed that he lost and you're the worst out of all your friends who also suck at the game. You also have that stupid shit idea cemented in your head that macro style is proper and any other style is wrong. You can't handle your friends breaking your balls (it's not trolling--wtf) and clearly, your issue is that you get mad that you're not good. If they constantly made fun of your weight, that would be different story, but considering it's only mentioned for like one sentence 2/3 of the way through, it's pretty apparent that the issue is that you are one of those obvious people who flips out over stupid, irrelevant shit and has no sense of humor.
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What kind of friends do you have? Sounds like they're more annoying than anything. (well you sound kind of annoying too)
But then again, if you're young, this is probably normal.
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On September 26 2011 17:47 Mr. DealeR wrote:
Because we are all on skysitting in high gold and so is gloaty. I am getting trolled so hard by cheesy and gloaty. Insults rpe every night, I have to hear them troll me when I am laddering.
Man I don't care if you are skysitting and high on gold, that's no reason to let your friends rape you every night. Personally when I'm mad I find relief in reddit-style rage comics, maybe you should mspaint one up for the thread.
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Tell cheesey and gloaty to fuck off, and block them. They're dicks and don't deserve to be your friends.
Here's a quote from rekrul:
On September 25 2011 19:44 Rekrul wrote:
at a low level little shits will be little shits and can get away with it
in the long run it does not matter
if your friend is good and works hard he will end up where he belongs. the squaker will always be a "skinny piece of shit" no matter what
Maphackers gon' mackhack. They aint gon' get any respect and they certainly aint gon' win any starleagues.
It's not the same as your situation, but the general message is that you're working hard, and you're doing good stuff. Ignore those motherfuckers, the trolling, and everything else. Hold your head high, and know that you're better than those pathetic little shits. Trolling is one thing, but they're being plain abusive.
On September 27 2011 02:00 Hawk wrote:
You sound like a huge manchild who is getting pissed that he lost and you're the worst out of all your friends who also suck at the game. You also have that stupid shit idea cemented in your head that macro style is proper and any other style is wrong. You can't handle your friends breaking your balls (it's not trolling--wtf) and clearly, your issue is that you get mad that you're not good. If they constantly made fun of your weight, that would be different story, but considering it's only mentioned for like one sentence 2/3 of the way through, it's pretty apparent that the issue is that you are one of those obvious people who flips out over stupid, irrelevant shit and has no sense of humor.
The guy is 15. What did you expect?
TL;DR
Cheesey and gloaty aren't your friends. Tell them to fuck off, and have nothing to do with them.
EDIT:
ladder rank is meaningless in Bnet, and isn't an indication of skill. It's an indication of who can use the system to gain as many points as possible. Don't worry about your rank. In fact, fuck that shit.
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As others have already stated, these guys seem like real douchebags. Don't hang around people who make you feel bad about yourself - and certainly don't replicate their douchieness by doing the same back to them. You sound like a good person, don't take after ppl who make you feel bad about yourself, just cease talking to them and try to find a new group of friends. Good luck man
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tell them they're being dicks.
if they stop, then good, and if they don't stop, then just stop hanging out with them.
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Tell your friends to fuck themselves.
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On September 27 2011 06:23 PenguinWithNuke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 02:00 Hawk wrote:
You sound like a huge manchild who is getting pissed that he lost and you're the worst out of all your friends who also suck at the game. You also have that stupid shit idea cemented in your head that macro style is proper and any other style is wrong. You can't handle your friends breaking your balls (it's not trolling--wtf) and clearly, your issue is that you get mad that you're not good. If they constantly made fun of your weight, that would be different story, but considering it's only mentioned for like one sentence 2/3 of the way through, it's pretty apparent that the issue is that you are one of those obvious people who flips out over stupid, irrelevant shit and has no sense of humor. The guy is 15. What did you expect?
for people to tell him that he's overreacting to friends breaking his balls, not telling him to shun people because he can't handle a little bit of joshing from his buddies?? This sounds like a dude who flips a shit during a pick up game of basketball because he misses a few shots and gets shit from friends.
i mean, i dont think that i'm that jaded of an asshole from jersey... surely other people bust on their buddies for random crap.
Dknight, have I been making you cry all these years???
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Really sad story. I know the feeling (except I got racist trolls instead of the ones you got back in HS).
I'd say to drop them, but it's hard finding friends who play video-games too and don't hide or are ashamed of it.
Stop talking to them for a bit, see if they come to you and then let them know how you feel. Be serious and angry, it's okay and fine.
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Look dude he is just being a dick or he is not your friend. Either way you need to stop him from being a dick or you got to stop being his friend.
What is the results when you play against him? The ladder ranking doesn't matter if you kick his but in the end haha :D
GL
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Next time they call you on Skype, either don't answer, or pick up the call and wait for them to say something:
+ Show Spoiler +"... Hey dude-"
"yo"
"Sup-"
"Hey, know what?"
"... what?"
"get the fuck out"
".. huh??"
"u heard me bitch, get the fuck out"
"what are u talking about..."
"No I said GET THE FUCK OUT"
"dude what the fu"
"GET THE FUCK OUT"
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Stand up for yourself or get to masters league
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On September 27 2011 22:37 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 06:23 PenguinWithNuke wrote:On September 27 2011 02:00 Hawk wrote:
You sound like a huge manchild who is getting pissed that he lost and you're the worst out of all your friends who also suck at the game. You also have that stupid shit idea cemented in your head that macro style is proper and any other style is wrong. You can't handle your friends breaking your balls (it's not trolling--wtf) and clearly, your issue is that you get mad that you're not good. If they constantly made fun of your weight, that would be different story, but considering it's only mentioned for like one sentence 2/3 of the way through, it's pretty apparent that the issue is that you are one of those obvious people who flips out over stupid, irrelevant shit and has no sense of humor. The guy is 15. What did you expect? for people to tell him that he's overreacting to friends breaking his balls, not telling him to shun people because he can't handle a little bit of joshing from his buddies?? This sounds like a dude who flips a shit during a pick up game of basketball because he misses a few shots and gets shit from friends. i mean, i dont think that i'm that jaded of an asshole from jersey... surely other people bust on their buddies for random crap. Dknight, have I been making you cry all these years???
From OP's description, the people that "are just joshing" don't sound like friends. They sound like assholes.
But alas, there is only so much information from OP. Can you give us some more info, OP?
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Well, after reading your story, I can tell that these people are not your friends. Not by a long shot. Sure, you all may be young and all that, but even when I was of that age, I'd not act towards a friend like that. So, my advice would be to just stay away from these guys. They are trying to compensate for their own shortcomings by insulting you most likely. It's also that age, when people try to prove to others they are oh so much better than them, even if it's just by sounding tough and through insulting, belittling someone else.
Don't let them to get under your skin. It may be tough, but hey, there are plenty people who would be more than happy to help you; just for the sake of teaching a lesson of humility to your so-called friends. Keep fighting 
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