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Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
September 21 2011 03:35 GMT
#61
On September 21 2011 11:59 Diglett wrote:
does anyone else sweat when playing bw? after just one game my pits are dripping rofl.

Only my hands and palms.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 21 2011 03:50 GMT
#62
On September 21 2011 11:20 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 10:06 infinity2k9 wrote:
I used to think Zerg were harder but i revised my opinion to Terran. While the eco and macro seems difficult at first you get used to it and you definitely can play it at a lower APM more effectively than T. That's why there's so many foreign Z and P and less T.


That's not the only thing...

If a Protoss loses his army, he can go "SPAM 200000 gateways LOL I'm JANGBANG"

If a Zerg loses his army, he can go "5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh"

Of course he won't lose his army because Dark swarm is around....

If you lose a Terran army it's like herp derp gg.



But don't listen to me. I'm just bad.


In TvZ Terran can easily replace a shitton of marines on their 10 raxes
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
September 21 2011 03:59 GMT
#63
On September 21 2011 11:20 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 10:06 infinity2k9 wrote:
I used to think Zerg were harder but i revised my opinion to Terran. While the eco and macro seems difficult at first you get used to it and you definitely can play it at a lower APM more effectively than T. That's why there's so many foreign Z and P and less T.


That's not the only thing...

If a Protoss loses his army, he can go "SPAM 200000 gateways LOL I'm JANGBANG"

If a Zerg loses his army, he can go "5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh"

Of course he won't lose his army because Dark swarm is around....

If you lose a Terran army it's like herp derp gg.



But don't listen to me. I'm just bad.

But you're chobo and do nothing. ;;

On March 15 2010 10:08 Ver wrote:
Bio TvZ is fine at any level. Remember that while you may feel you can't control your armies at all neither can the Zerg react properly, and ZvT is harder than TvZ at low levels because weaker players have enormous issues handling pressure. Aside from muta harass bio TvZ is all about the Terran constantly pressuring the Zerg. If you get it in his face he will play terribly. It doesn't matter if you lose half your army to 3 lurkers or if you have 2k because if you can land dships in his main nothing will go right for him.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
September 21 2011 04:01 GMT
#64
On September 21 2011 04:49 OpticalShot wrote:
You can still bio in TvP... just that it'll become an all-in strategy. It actually works well once you learn the timing window against a Protoss that skips out on AoE (reaver / high templar) for more goon-heavy composition. Also, I think someone used bio to counter carriers in a televised match (marines to pick off interceptors) but it ended up failing lol.


hiya vs violet bloody ridge

except hiya won
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
September 21 2011 04:21 GMT
#65
On March 15 2010 10:08 Ver wrote:
Bio TvZ is fine at any level. Remember that while you may feel you can't control your armies at all neither can the Zerg react properly, and ZvT is harder than TvZ at low levels because weaker players have enormous issues handling pressure. Aside from muta harass bio TvZ is all about the Terran constantly pressuring the Zerg. If you get it in his face he will play terribly. It doesn't matter if you lose half your army to 3 lurkers or if you have 2k because if you can land dships in his main nothing will go right for him.


This is so true, it's bullshit. You can do everything right and be like 4 base hive to 2 base, then bam. Some bullshit drop, spawning pool/defiler den gone, he pushes out while you frantically try to defend your hive/hydra den, all your lings/mutas suicide, lurkers irradiated. Suddenly you have no army, can't build anything, forget you can't build anything, spam 5sz6sz7sz8sz and wonder why it's not working, panic, GG.

*Shudder*
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heha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 04:30:22
September 21 2011 04:27 GMT
#66
Thank you all for all the support ^^v

To clarify on several points, my 4-1 score does include like 3 losses from a month or two ago, which definitely helped in terms of gamesense and whatnot. Also, when I say SC2 Masters Macro, I simply mean understanding the principle of keeping minerals low XD (or attempting to, holy fuck your money rises fast in BW). I will hopefully endeavour to keep at this over the next two weeks, while I'm away from any SC2 access (uni holidays). Playing Random for now, but dear god, with how hard BW is, I'm not sure I can keep it up >.<"

THANK YOU ALL AGAIN, AND LONG LIVE BW XD

Edit: Wait wtf, those 3 losses didn't help at all in terms of gamesense... It just helped me to realise that against some people I just have to hold on for dear life and pray I can make a comeback later on >.>

Double Edit: And lol, now I have Chill comments in all 3 of my blog attempts ^^v
Random for life! phoneheha
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 21 2011 05:22 GMT
#67
Its not the difficulty that captures BW's charm its something more. I played with sub 100 APM on broodwar and was able to consistently get C+ on iccup so dont worry too much about spamming like crazy, just scout well and know your builds and you'll win the majority of your games right as mid-game begins. Broodwar is simply a more complete and intuitive game as it has had over a decade to develop while SC2 is still fresh. If you want to see what SC2 can become, then broodwar is an exciting game to play. But it has a long way to go
Brees on in
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
September 21 2011 05:44 GMT
#68
No fucking way you can hit C+ on Iccup with Terran and less than 100 apm.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 06:39:56
September 21 2011 06:36 GMT
#69
On September 21 2011 07:24 rauk wrote:
4-1 on iccup what a lie i went 2-5 today and i used to be C- Z before sc2

fuck terran is imba bunker rushed by C or B smurfs all day

imo stick with playing sc2 bw is too hard


In my experience, you get a better SC high playing BW than SC2, win or lose. The intensity of a BW game is 10x higher than SC2. And yea, as a former D+/C- P player I'm getting pwned at D level at the moment, going 5-6 yesterday.

I've noticed my apm has gone up (from 140 to 180-200), but my eapm is still the same as before (95-100). I'm gonna have to give that training map a try.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
September 21 2011 07:32 GMT
#70
How did you hold a 3 tank mms attack with 3 hatch Zerg? I am really curious because that is one of the most difficult things to do, especially on low level. That alone requires so much more knowledge, control and micro even on low level compared to SC2 masters.
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
September 21 2011 08:06 GMT
#71
You won a couple matches? That right there sounds wrong to me. Either I was really really bad at BW, or iCCup just isn't as tough anymore at D level...
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
September 21 2011 08:13 GMT
#72
On September 21 2011 17:06 CecilSunkure wrote:
You won a couple matches? That right there sounds wrong to me. Either I was really really bad at BW, or iCCup just isn't as tough anymore at D level...


There's a *huge* range of skill at D. You've got those that are solid D, nearing D+, but are just missing that "something" to push them to the next rank, then you've got those who are at D purely because they just started playing on that account and are actually CPU level.
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
September 21 2011 08:31 GMT
#73
On September 21 2011 04:53 VarmVaffel wrote:
I remember when I started playing on ICCup back in the day. Lost 50 games in a row before I won my first game.

I can still remember the feeling of accomplishment...


I churned so hard to get out of D- my first month or two. Ended up C- after three or four seasons. TvP was the bane of my existance. TvT was my rock
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alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
September 21 2011 08:35 GMT
#74
On September 21 2011 14:44 skindzer wrote:
No fucking way you can hit C+ on Iccup with Terran and less than 100 apm.


With protoss or zerg yes. Terran... well fuck no. TvP slow pushing is a fucken grind, and not to mention TvZ m&m around the map good times
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
September 21 2011 08:39 GMT
#75
Being a masters player, you should be able to get to at least D+ with a little effort
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heha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia425 Posts
September 21 2011 09:18 GMT
#76
@zatic... well actually @everyone: Yeah, pretty sure the players I was playing were those 'Hm, I'm gonna start playing this Starcraft thing cause I heard it's good' kind of players. Have since played a few more matches to nicely round out my score at 4-4 T.T Aka that '3 tank push' was something like 8 marines, 3 tanks off one base, vs. spammed lings + 4 mutas + all the drones at my nat (9)... so pretty sure he was doing something wrong XD

Lol, when I actually match up against people who know what they're doing, I'm getting decimated in EVERY matchup XD Ah, fun times, much learning ahead hmmm~
Random for life! phoneheha
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 21 2011 09:51 GMT
#77
On September 21 2011 17:39 TheAntZ wrote:
Being a masters player, you should be able to get to at least D+ with a little effort


getting to D+ as a bw newbie is going to require a lot more conscious effort than going from plat to masters does... especially if he doesn't main protoss.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 21 2011 11:27 GMT
#78
On September 21 2011 04:44 Chill wrote:
SC2 players are generally pretty dismissive of the claim that BW is a lot harder than SC2. But it's true. BW is fucking hard as hell. So I like this Blog. Take these 5 stars.

It's funny, you go back and play BW now and go "wow that was insanely hard", but then your old reflexes come back to you and you can cope once again.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
September 21 2011 12:27 GMT
#79
BW4LIFE.

Damn it's good to see the next generation recognizing what a difficult and in-depth game BW was.

Now if only we can get SC2 to a similar level!

Also I agree there's NO WAY you can hit C+ as terran with sub100 apm. Impossible!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 21 2011 14:58 GMT
#80
On September 21 2011 11:20 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 10:06 infinity2k9 wrote:
I used to think Zerg were harder but i revised my opinion to Terran. While the eco and macro seems difficult at first you get used to it and you definitely can play it at a lower APM more effectively than T. That's why there's so many foreign Z and P and less T.


That's not the only thing...

If a Protoss loses his army, he can go "SPAM 200000 gateways LOL I'm JANGBANG"

If a Zerg loses his army, he can go "5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh"

Of course he won't lose his army because Dark swarm is around....

If you lose a Terran army it's like herp derp gg.



But don't listen to me. I'm just bad.

Always felt like it was the opposite. 12 marines and 4 medics can kill just about anything, and they're dirt cheap to rebuild. I always had supreme confidence in my M'M armies. It's a pretty steep learning curve to figure out what will kill and won't kill a Terran army, and very unforgiving too. I'll admit that learning how to move out vs Protoss with a mech army is just as unforgiving tho.

M'M was always fun because the ideal army was 24 marines 8 medics and a science vessel, and no matter what you're up against or how much you're hurting for economy, it's still a dangerous thing if you micro it correctly. Probably the reason 90% of people play Terran at all.
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