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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
September 20 2011 22:11 GMT
#41
On September 21 2011 04:38 hifriend wrote:
- Hotkey trainer UMS, is a really great way to train up your macro. You have to constantly micro a worker away from a zealot while building up a base and ultimately killing a zerg ai.. And you have to bring a dropship to an island and rescue a civilian. Also you can't have over 300 unspent minerals.

This is an amazing way to train your apm and multitask in BW. Seriously. I'll vouch for this. I used this a lot, and it helped a lot.

Anyone know of a good single player map like that for SC2? I really could use it right now. I just came off of a 4 month break from SC2, and I don't want to even touch the ladder right now.
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 20 2011 22:16 GMT
#42
On September 21 2011 04:53 floor exercise wrote:
BW is the manliest game in the world. Your chest is probably a forest after 5 games on iccup

Oh my! I was on the floor after reading this one
QFT!
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Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
September 20 2011 22:18 GMT
#43
Play Osu!/Minesweeper to get used to clicking on stuff quickly.

Bind your rax/facts to 7 or 6, make sure you put them in nice rows, and click away while pressing buttons.

BTW what's your APM? I'm about 180 (really low) and my macro slips when action gets intense.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 20 2011 22:24 GMT
#44
4-1 on iccup what a lie i went 2-5 today and i used to be C- Z before sc2

fuck terran is imba bunker rushed by C or B smurfs all day

imo stick with playing sc2 bw is too hard
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 23:39:25
September 20 2011 23:37 GMT
#45
SC2 masters macro? Hehe. Try playing Terran and going lategame bio. Keeping those 9 rax, mutlitple facs/ports going is ridiculous. But it's also rewarding. I feel good even about many games i've lost, infact as long as it was a macro game i'm usually satisfied with the game. There's ALWAYS an area you can improve on.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 20 2011 23:41 GMT
#46
Try playing SK Terran effectivly

you will cry a river at the amount of micro and macro you have to do

twice.

ow yeah, BW is mentally exhausting as fuck, there is NEVER EVER a moment where you can stop clicking or stop doing something, you always have to macro and micro. If i play a 40min BW game my brain is beyond fried already for the entire day pretty much.

But boy does it feel good ^^.
WriterXiao8~~
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 23:52:27
September 20 2011 23:50 GMT
#47
Btw at low level bio TvP is actually very fun. Sometimes i go 1fac tank then get all bio with the tanks. The push can be very strong with good control. I really like trying various combos of bio/mech vs both vZ and vP and it's always a laugh. Don't be afraid to try stuff out cause almost everything can be used in some way. Like in ZvT i always get queens for infesting CC's, and do quick raids of lings to try and infest them before they can react. It's nice to have a unique playstyle, from your strategy to your simcity.

This is the best part of BW to me, how wildly different 2 people can play even going the same build order.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 20 2011 23:53 GMT
#48
On September 21 2011 07:11 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 04:38 hifriend wrote:
- Hotkey trainer UMS, is a really great way to train up your macro. You have to constantly micro a worker away from a zealot while building up a base and ultimately killing a zerg ai.. And you have to bring a dropship to an island and rescue a civilian. Also you can't have over 300 unspent minerals.

This is an amazing way to train your apm and multitask in BW. Seriously. I'll vouch for this. I used this a lot, and it helped a lot.

Anyone know of a good single player map like that for SC2? I really could use it right now. I just came off of a 4 month break from SC2, and I don't want to even touch the ladder right now.

I find that map has been out of date for a looong time and teaches bad habit to new players. Like it doesn't make sense to have less than 300 minerals all the time unless your macro is really bad. Even on one base you can support more than 2-3 gateways worth of production if you produce enough probes. It was really made for a time when players didn't bother getting many peons and didn't expand until they were about to run out of minerals. Best way to know if your macro is okay is just to have 0 minerals at the end of your production rounds (which ideally are consecutive without delay).

I don't think I agree with AcrossFiveJuly's comment either. Macrobots is a phrase I think Artosis popularized but it was really just a way of justifying the foreigner's inability to compete with top amateur Koreans (who honestly have way better decision making, tactics, and strategy in addition to better macro) which was really personally motivated. Countless times players lose games just because they overestimate the ability of their mutalisk harass, or they try to end the game with a poor advantage, or they get and advantage and prolong the game, but don't actually know how to keep the opponent from climbing back up. You're a veteran and so is Artosis, but to say StarCraft is robotic is just not fair. It's a single style of people who specialize in macro, and when they get abused for having huge holes in every other aspect of the game, they complain that it's cheesy bullshit since they weren't able to play their style lol.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
September 21 2011 00:35 GMT
#49
every sc2 player that tries bw makes the world a better place. ^_^
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
September 21 2011 00:49 GMT
#50
BW is hard. For Terran it's REALLY hard....for Zerg it's SUPER SUPER hard (because you have to know when to make drones and when not to make drones, which is like....I could never figure that part out).

Protoss is hard too.....I guess. x)
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Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
September 21 2011 00:57 GMT
#51
It's certainly more demanding and less forgiving, especially macro/micro.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
September 21 2011 01:06 GMT
#52
I used to think Zerg were harder but i revised my opinion to Terran. While the eco and macro seems difficult at first you get used to it and you definitely can play it at a lower APM more effectively than T. That's why there's so many foreign Z and P and less T.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
September 21 2011 01:30 GMT
#53
On September 21 2011 04:44 Chill wrote:
SC2 players are generally pretty dismissive of the claim that BW is a lot harder than SC2. But it's true. BW is fucking hard as hell. So I like this Blog. Take these 5 stars.

Really? Most people I see (myself included) will quickly admit BW is hard as fuck.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
September 21 2011 02:20 GMT
#54
On September 21 2011 10:06 infinity2k9 wrote:
I used to think Zerg were harder but i revised my opinion to Terran. While the eco and macro seems difficult at first you get used to it and you definitely can play it at a lower APM more effectively than T. That's why there's so many foreign Z and P and less T.


That's not the only thing...

If a Protoss loses his army, he can go "SPAM 200000 gateways LOL I'm JANGBANG"

If a Zerg loses his army, he can go "5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh"

Of course he won't lose his army because Dark swarm is around....

If you lose a Terran army it's like herp derp gg.



But don't listen to me. I'm just bad.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1843 Posts
September 21 2011 02:28 GMT
#55
On September 21 2011 04:44 Chill wrote:
SC2 players are generally pretty dismissive of the claim that BW is a lot harder than SC2. But it's true. BW is fucking hard as hell. So I like this Blog. Take these 5 stars.


I think some of them play SC2BW and assume that BW is the same difficulty. Let me assure those of you that BW is much, much harder than SC2BW (and obviously SC2). Although SC2BW is a really neat map and props to Maverck for making it!
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
September 21 2011 02:29 GMT
#56
Oh man, this blog makes me want to reinstall bw and play a few games on iccup. School work or bw??
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
September 21 2011 02:54 GMT
#57
It is quite hard, but I hope you will stick with it.
I can only manage 3-4 games of SC2 before I'm back to BW.
I think if you stick with it and get better you'll find it is SO much fun, and your wins are so so so satisfying.
5\5 (But only if you keep playing ^_^)
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
September 21 2011 02:59 GMT
#58
does anyone else sweat when playing bw? after just one game my pits are dripping rofl.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 21 2011 03:04 GMT
#59
On September 21 2011 05:01 Chef wrote:
It's harder to become proficient at, but that's also what makes it so interesting since you end up specializing in certain aspects and becoming really good at them (where other players specialize in other things). The game has a lot of personality because at all levels different players will be better at different things.

I love the struggle between two players who are good at different things. Each player tries to swing the game in a direction that will put their strengths against the opponent's weaknesses, and it can become really visible when you start playing a lot of games with one person.


Really good point actually, that is one of the things about BW I miss in SC2, and didn't even realize it. Specialization.... something which isn't really there in SC2 (yet at least), except in the manner of mechanical play (which all the top pros do extremely well...) vs extremely smart play which could almost be said to snipe (thus making up for less pro mechanics, or in conjunction with).
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 03:05:25
September 21 2011 03:04 GMT
#60
I have nothing to say except that you're right... BW is an intense game and definitely a bucket of water over the face to wake someone up out of a SC2 coma.

Edit: 5 stars for your willingness to try BW, you are a good man
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
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