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So I was sitting in the bathroom and pondering (as all men do), and I had a pretty interesting thought.
What if people could play against an exact replica of themselves? Everything would be an exact copy, both physically and mentally. How the replica would be made, whether through time-travel or cloning, would not be relevant, however. All that matters is that the players are exactly the same.
Now, what kind of interesting situations would arise from this?
Would Flash vs Flash be the greatest series ever? How would Jaedong's JvZ fare if it was instead JvJ? Would Goody vs Goody last until the end of time? And how much BM and ragequitting would happen in an Idra vs Idra series?
Of course, how would YOU fare against yourself?
 
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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I would love to TvZ / ZvT myself. I really dont know which is better. Would be epic xD
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Map Imbalances would be the deciding factor.
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It would only point out the positional imbalances of a map, those would be abused. ^^
This is what IdrA1 vs IdrA2 would sound on the stream of Idra1 getting lucky with positions: "This guy is a fucking retard.," later in the game: "Maybe he is not so bad, he used his scouting info." even later: "He is indeed a moron, he didn't scout my hidden expos." in the end: "apologize for not playing that race for its fullest potential." ragequit from Idra 2.
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idra vs idra:
idra1: "this guy is just awful"
idra2: "this is so silly"
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for a series against myself we would both rage as we would both hate PvP, however at the same time the PvPs would be interesting as we would both 26nex lololololol
actually on second thought, Random v Random ftw!~
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I'd never get 4gated again.
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Baneling bust ultimate micro if it was me vs me
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I'd probably make fun of his mom.
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OpticalShot1 (P) vs. OpticalShot2 (P)
- both opens 1gate core
- both tries real hard to be a Bisu probe then loses the probe to enemy probe before the first goon (sigh)
- both then assume that enemy is going to expand and throws down 2 more gates for 3gate goon all-in
- massive goon fight with lulzy failures due to reliance on goon AI
- goon ice cream in center of map (whichever map it is)
- for some reason OpticalShot1's goons fail less... (I don't know, can anybody explain the goon AI?) and 1 wins.
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Interesting, I mostly play random (still select races but switch between them) in BW and SC2 so,
BW
PvZ -> 2 hatch muta jaedong ee han timing attack vs Bisu Build 2.0 -> Toss wins because im not jaedong
ZvT -> 2 hatch muta into lunkers or crazy zerg vs 1 rax FE SKTerran -> Zerg wins
TvP -> Flash build vs 3 base arbiter -> Terran wins
SC2
PvZ -> 2 base ling infestor ultra vs Forge FE Phoenix/Templar/Warp Prism -> Toss wins
TvZ -> 2 base reaper/bfh/ghost/marine/tank/medivac/raven/banshee vs 2 base ling infestor ultra -> Terran wins
TvP -> 1 rax fe into mech/ghost vs 3 gate stargate -> Toss wins
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
STEP 1
Blazinghand 1: crappily rush hellions
Blazinghand 2: also crappily rush hellions
STEP 2
Both Blazinghands have no more mineral lines, just a mule and 3 scvs.
STEP 3
Someone makes a banshee first and wins
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Players playing with themselves?
Oh dear god, what some misreading can do to the mind.
Anyway, I dunno what would happen, i'm pretty terrible so it would be kind of like two blind oxen on ice, tripping around like retards exceptional individuals until one of them hit each other. Then one of them would rage.
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Wouldn't it end in a draw?
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This would be really interesting if some sort of system were devised (say in starcraft 3, maybe) that could learn your playstyle from a database of replays. It could determine the frequency of the builds you do, how you usually macro, your average response time to events, your APM, what types of micro/harass you do effectively, etc. Then it could design an AI that plays like you. A difficult programming feat I'm sure, but not impossible.
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On September 20 2011 02:02 TiTanIum_ wrote:
I am sure I would win.
Results would likely be 50/50. If it's an exact copy, they're subject to the same mental fortitude and fatigue that you are.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On September 20 2011 03:43 Jugan wrote:Results would likely be 50/50. If it's an exact copy, they're subject to the same mental fortitude and fatigue that you are.
He's joking since both you and your exact copy are you. ONE of you has to win, hence the certitude.
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Personally, I would LOVE to play a TvT against myself, as I love the matchup and how I play it (standard Marine+Tank+Medivac play). Also, a BW TvT against myself would be fun too. I would probably go 1rax gasless expand in SC2 and a 14cc or 1fact expand in BW, then turtle up my siege lines until I get myself into an epic split-map situation.
Of course, random vs random against myself would also be fun, especially if I roll a Terran and Protoss, as my TvP and PvT are horrendous so the games should be interesting.
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It'd be a stalemate all the way around, unless one of you makes a horrible mistake.
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considering how out of practice I am... I think which ever me doesn't storm his own units would probably come out on top.
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Their behaivor would deviate the moment they are subjected to different experiences so you will never have 100% copy playing itself.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:49 YourMom wrote:
Their behaivor would deviate the moment they are subjected to different experiences so you will never have 100% copy playing itself.
That's true. Even if the copy popped into existence during the loading screen, if nothing else the different spawn location would cause the experiences to be different. I'm not sure this would have a substantive impact, but there would be a "randomness" element introduced. Also, given that some maps can have assymetric spawns, that changes things. For example, if you spawn clockwise from your opponent on tal'darim altar, it's much easier to siege up and shoot into his natural mineral line for you than it is for him, etc.
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Well, I suck bad enough that it would probably be entertaining, since I can't imagine both of me would make identical mistakes at identical times.
Top tier players would be incredibly boring, because even if they tried to mind game each other, they'd just go in circles and never get anywhere, knowing how they thought.
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This got me wondering, I thought it would be cool to make a custom map that is a 1v1 but exactly symmetrical. You would ask your friend to play on it against you, but he plays against a computer that is programmed to to the exactly same actions as the friend, except in an opposite direction with spatial actions. Epic trolling.
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I like to metagame my opponents so I'd basically be caught in an infinite meta-meta-meta-meta gaming sequence.
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your Country52797 Posts
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I'd pay a lot to watch a replay of Flash TvTing himself. That would be epic.
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On September 20 2011 02:11 clayn wrote:
idra vs idra:
idra1: "this guy is just awful"
idra2: "this is so silly"
LOL this cracked me up. lmao I could just imagine that lolol.
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On September 20 2011 02:11 clayn wrote:
idra vs idra:
idra1: "this guy is just awful"
idra2: "this is so silly"
hahaha so true
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was there not a huge thread about this on team liquid earlier? (might have been a different forum.) That thread was about fighting yourself though.
Anyway. Assuming everything was exactly the same (e.g a perfect replica, in a perfectly similar room, on a perfectly mirrored map, under perfectly mirrored conditions, and absolutely no difference from each other in any way.) Then the actions would be perfectly mirrored, and it would end in a perfectly equal draw. probably with the last 2 units killing eachother at the same time.
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It would be the worst ZvZ ever, because neither player would have any baneling or infestor control whatsoever, and it would all come down to massive roach armies beating on each other endlessly until somebody gave up.
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To the people thinking it would be a draw: utter nonsense. Even if you made literally identical decisions, things like position would come into play. Whether it was luck (a well placed baneling, or a stalker that gets into position 2 seconds on one side while the other gets stuck behind a zealot), map asymmetry (at a high level at least, starting position can change your decisions even in a mirror match), or something else, I can assure you that while it would be interesting and close games much of the time, the idea that you would end up in a true draw any more than normal is ridiculous.
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On September 20 2011 07:42 Earll wrote:
was there not a huge thread about this on team liquid earlier? (might have been a different forum.) That thread was about fighting yourself though.
Anyway. Assuming everything was exactly the same (e.g a perfect replica, in a perfectly similar room, on a perfectly mirrored map, under perfectly mirrored conditions, and absolutely no difference from each other in any way.) Then the actions would be perfectly mirrored, and it would end in a perfectly equal draw. probably with the last 2 units killing eachother at the same time.
Have you played nexus wars? Zealot vs Zealot, one will always survive . It has to do with which one attacks first, which is build into the game so it would never truely be perfectly mirrored 
For the sake of this thread i'll say it's possible and my ZvZ game would be epic ^^ roach ling early game into mass roach infestor and then on to the hive tech. Who ever has the better possitioning wins 
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
12nex vs 12nex into split map and arbiter/DA. Would be pretty epic.
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I would definitely lose because I would feel bad about wooping my ass so hard in a match and let me have the win. That way I don't feel bad about woopin dat ass and I am also happy because I got a free win. GG me no re!
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On September 20 2011 02:11 clayn wrote:
idra vs idra:
idra1: "this guy is just awful"
idra2: "this is so silly"
you forgot the part where he gg's/leaves the game!
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Taiwan619 Posts
it'd be really frustrating
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If I played myself, I'd not fret... would know I'd be safe vs any all-in/cheese (4gates, cannon rushes), because I never do any, thus my own 'twin' wouldn't either. Would win vs myself most-likely =D
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What if you were to fight your EVIL twin? That is, a guy that is the complete inverse of you.
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On September 21 2011 06:29 EsX_Raptor wrote:
What if you were to fight your EVIL twin? That is, a guy that is the complete inverse of you.
Now, that's some scary thought, haha. Since my evil-self would use anything in order to win, including psychological warfare, since my twin would know my own shortcomings. Totally would lose that game.
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I think it would not be a draw, not at all.
You would get strategical advantages, sometimes you make better and sometimes worse decisions, micro fails, macro fails and playing depending on your current shape and if you have a good/bad day in the game.
It would sure be great for practicing since the macro is pretty much the same
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:32 BabyToss! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 06:29 EsX_Raptor wrote:
What if you were to fight your EVIL twin? That is, a guy that is the complete inverse of you. Now, that's some scary thought, haha. Since my evil-self would use anything in order to win, including psychological warfare, since my twin would know my own shortcomings. Totally would lose that game.
You forgot: what if it is YOU who are the evil twin? Maybe your inverse twin is a good twin, and you play with his mind, toy with him, and you know his shortcomings
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I would be crying about how long this stupid TvT match has been drawn out.
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your Country52797 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:29 EsX_Raptor wrote:
What if you were to fight your EVIL twin? That is, a guy that is the complete inverse of you.
I would pick Zerg, he would pick protoss. He would 4-gate all-in and I would easily hold it off, then either nydus him and win (unlikely as my inverse would ALWAYS see a nydus), or I would outmacro with drops and win, or I'd lose to collosus deathball.
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On September 21 2011 06:29 EsX_Raptor wrote:
What if you were to fight your EVIL twin? That is, a guy that is the complete inverse of you.
I've always thought that Sheth's evil twin would be Idra.
Sheth is this optimistic, well-mannered, stout guy. Idra is this pessimistic, bad-mannered, skinny guy. Both are great Zerg players, and both are American. Coincidence?
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