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Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 15:47:21
September 17 2011 15:46 GMT
#1
Recently, I made the decision (for better or for worse) to leave school and pursue my own dreams in art and photography. It's the type of thing that many starving artists have done at some point in their life, but I felt compelled to do it anyway.

Aside from planning on getting my own art studio, I decided I would start entering in logo design contests and whatnot. First contest I entered, I won $400. For any to-be graphic designers out there, I thought I'd share the customer/client communication process. It's my first design with a real customer and not a classroom, so I wasn't sure how it would turn out.

Design Briefing, available to all contestants
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Our company specializes in software development for schools and education. We are primarily focused on developing iPhone (iOS) apps, but also create and modern cutting-edge rich internet applications which embrace the latest technologies and standards (such as HTML5, CSS3, AJAX, etc.).

The objective of this contest is to design a name and logo for our new iPhone app development company. It needs to be snazzy, catchy, and cool.

By way of background, teachers and students are tired of existing apps in the market which are difficult to use with bad user interface design and simply do not meet their needs. We provide a "breath of fresh air" with apps that they want to use and find indispensable!

Please note, we do not develop educational software (e.g. teaching how to spell or do maths) but instead we develop software and systems which can be used to achieve educational outcomes and make teachers and students more efficient (e.g. electronic roll marking, learning management systems, student administration systems, etc.).

Education is traditionally a conservative area. We want a ultra-catchy and cool logo which reflects what we do - make awesomely designed apps. It also needs to be memorable enough such that people could immediately type our web address without having to reference a business card or advertising materials.

Stylistic preferences: More young than mature, more modern than classic, more playful than serious, more obvious than subtle


Coming up with the name was the hardest part, really. You'd be surprised how many golden ideas were already registered domains, copyrighted in one way or the other, or too close to an existing companies name that you wouldn't want to confuse customers.

Hours and hours and hours of brainstorming later, I came up with "eduventions" (education inventions hurr) and submitted my first draft.

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Nice! I like the name, but I think we can do more with the logo so I would be interested to see more work on that aspect. Good work on the name though


I misinterpreted what "do more with the logo" meant- I thought it meant he didn't like it. So, I started over, and created this trainwreck of a logo.

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Hi again. Thanks for your resubmission This design has gone a bit too far down the line of being cliched. I'd be interested if you have any other ideas. Thanks!


Then I realized that because he eliminated the second design (but not the first) he had actually meant that he wanted me to improve upon the initial design, not start anew. So, I figured I'd take the word "inventions" from eduventions and turn the apple in to a light bulb.

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This is looking very good I don't suppose you have any other ideas for some way we could relate this back to the iPhone or apps?

Also, while I do like the eduventions name I would be interested in whether you have any other more "punchy" (i.e. slightly shorter, less syllables) names in mind? Feel free to send them through as a comment rather than doing a complete design if you just want some feedback before embarking. Thanks again!


I threw a few names at him but none of them really hit the mark. In my next submisision, I tried switching the name to "classgadgets," but it was eliminated quickly.

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Days past of on-and-off name brainstorming (figuring I ought to get a name down before progressing on the logo itself so that they stay related.) Eventually, he messages me and says that eduventions was really starting to grow on him, and we continued where we left off.

Hi again. Thanks for your message and it sorry it took a while for me to get back to you. I have to admit the eduventions is starting to grow on me...quite a bit!

Regarding the logo itself, I like the metaphor but fear that some people may not get the apple association with teachers. Could you look at some other options?

Thanks again!


A big relief, as finding another name seemed impossible. He asked me to remove the tag-line and resubmit (just to have a fresher version) but still think of other symbol ideas.

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If the apple didn't associate to the teachers, I thought a book might. With the eduventions name locked in, I wanted to keep the lightbulb idea, so I decided to make a bookbulb.

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He liked the apple better- oh well, so did I. At this point we realize that the contest deadline is coming up, but he wants to award me as the winner anyway on the condition that I'm open to still making a few changes post-deadline. I agree, of course.

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In any case, given the nature of the name I was thinking of a different logo in sort of a sketch or blueprint style, much like the Xcode icon (this is the program you use to create iPhone apps) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/Xcode_icon.png . In other words, the same logo design (i.e. the light bulb with apple) but designed in the sketch/blueprint style to show that we're inventing something. What do you think?


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I am wondering though whether we could remove the curl a bit on the paper and [add a little depth to it. he was referencing other logos that i'm too lazy to link.]

Could you also possibly do a variant with just an apple (rather than lightbulb apple) as the lightbulb metaphor may be lost a bit now that we are doing a blueprint style affair. Thanks!


Works for me, although being the idiot I am, I saved over the very first file that had the initial apple drawing without the lightbulb, so I had to trace back over it.

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Thanks for the update. The new logo looks good and I think we will stick with the apple (pays good homage to both our preferred platform and the teacher metaphor). Could you perhaps do something extra to the apple though so that it doesn't seem like we have just taken the Apple logo itself - maybe something which can relate the apple back to the teacher metaphor even stronger?

Just a few other modifications - would it be possible to make it a bit more "sketch" like and also add some more things so it looks a bit busier like a working document (similar to the Xcode icon). Also, can you remove the "edu" from the mini logo but leave the nut/bolt?


I wasn't sure how to make an apple look more teacher-ish, so I decided to play it more on the idea of apps and add some "app buttons," and a pencil underneath. Not sure why I did the pencil, but whatever.

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Thanks for turning around these revisions so promptly. You're probably going to hate this, but I actually think that the original design (i.e. apple lightbulb) is better than these alternatives we have been working on today. I guess we could only find out by trying!

Let's revert back to the original design, but could you try changing the lightbulb colour from green to an orange/yellow (just to emphasise it is a lightbulb) or perhaps even do some mix of green/orange/yellow to bring in the apple metaphor

Please keep the text colour as-is since I really like the grey and green combination.

Thanks again


Ah well, kinda wasted a bit of time trying the whole blueprint thing, but I'm more concerned about us both being happy with the result, not with finishing quickly.

From here on out it was merely color experimentation, trying to find something that fit his description and wasn't overpowering. I started with green/orange/yellow as he requested, but, while it was a step in the right direction, the colors didn't blend as well as planned. He suggested I try a red apple, but the end result was extremely overpowering. Finally, we settled on a yellow/green apple with yellow light, and he was thrilled.

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(full color version, b/w photocopier version, silkscreen/watermark version)

In the end, he is happy to have a nice complete logo, and I'm happy to have taken his money and have a good portfolio piece. I'm surprised how well it went, really.

I live with major depressive disorder and leaving school was an extremely hard decision to make, but for the first time in a long time, I feel accomplished and have a good outlook on what is to come. It's a morale booster that I really needed. In the end, winning one contest doesn't mean I'm out of the woods- I'm still taking a path that often leads to that of a starving artist. However, I feel positive, and that is a nice feeling to have, nice enough that I thought I'd share.

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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 17 2011 16:07 GMT
#2
Holy crap, congratulations, man.

At least something worked out for you. Just keep designing if winning makes you happy

Many people think they have the talent to be a designer, but few are actually producing functional and visually appealing logos and sites. You are one of those few.

Despite that apple looking like a cleavage.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
September 17 2011 16:18 GMT
#3
I don't wanna say what it looks like upside down...

But yeah, graphic designing is a bitch due to revisions...
I wanted to go into graphic design, but realized I wouldn't be able to cater to clients because they like something else better...

Gratz on your win!
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HTX
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany265 Posts
September 17 2011 16:21 GMT
#4
Congratulations! Cool to see the creation process so close.

"I'm more concerned about us both being happy with the result, not with finishing quickly."

If you keep this behaviour alive all will be fine.
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Vortigan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark306 Posts
September 17 2011 16:50 GMT
#5
pretty cool to see the whole process. thanks for sharing
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
September 17 2011 17:20 GMT
#6
Def very cool to see you show us the process ... thanks.
Stijx
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States804 Posts
September 17 2011 17:44 GMT
#7
That's awesome man You should post more blogs as you add to your portfolio... would be cool to see
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 18:00:55
September 17 2011 17:59 GMT
#8
Very interesting read and good luck to you!

I have to say that the last logo really made me smile too.

And dat ambiguity on that logo only makes it so much better
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
September 17 2011 18:10 GMT
#9
^_^ you can make it like this, but it can be rough - if you ever want to consider going back to school and earning a BFA/MFA risd, otis, american, and other schools have dedicated programs and stuff for this.

Great work though, I've seen worse come out of any of the above schools.
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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
September 17 2011 19:27 GMT
#10
Really cool to see the whole process that this design went through. I'm glad you reverted back to the apple/lightbulb design, as I didn't really like the blueprint ones as much. Very impressive logo, I wonder how long all those took you to make.

I think you have the right attitude when designing logos, which is that you want both yourself and the client to be satisfied, even if it takes a little extra work/tossing around ideas.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 17 2011 19:47 GMT
#11
Very good work!
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
September 17 2011 19:55 GMT
#12
I liked that initial design the most too! Glad you won, looks like it took quite a bit of work.
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
September 17 2011 20:39 GMT
#13
Congrats. It's a tough choice to switch, glad to see some encouraging and positive developments already. Very cool look into your revision process as well.
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
September 17 2011 20:44 GMT
#14
the blueprint versions look far more unique than the one he chose... i like those a lot actually >.>
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 17 2011 20:53 GMT
#15
Congrats! Those designs are pretty neat. Being a designer is really hard. Hope you continue to do great in other tenders!

(Also, Gaunt's Ghosts are great.)
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Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 21:22:39
September 17 2011 21:20 GMT
#16
I have to admit that I thought the blueprint version looked far worse than the original and the final logo. Very very cool, I wish I can do that but I have like 0 creativity haha. If this is ok can I ask how much the guy paid you for making that for him?

EDIT: oops noticed it says at the top if was $400. Very cool ^^
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 17 2011 22:00 GMT
#17
Good stuff congrats! It makes me happy to know I'm not the only one who has to deal with people who have no idea what they want and can't make up their minds lol. Of course, I only dabble in graphic design when I have to! :p
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
PetitCrabe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada410 Posts
September 17 2011 22:54 GMT
#18
*clap clap clap*

Woah! I have always liked to see a project in evolution. It was great to see the first stage of the project until the end with all the feedback and explanation. Good job! It looks great! I'm sure you're feeling quite proud of yourself right now and you should be!
clever_us
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States329 Posts
September 17 2011 23:40 GMT
#19
nice blog :D I like the way you showed the whole process - kinda funny that what they ended up wanting was more or less what you started out with
glhf <3
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
September 18 2011 01:14 GMT
#20
Keep in mind many of these "clients" don't know anything about design/usability/etc. So what they like can be crappy looking or impractical. It's not always wise to change everything according to their whim but instead explain your ideas more clearly and sell what you think is good. This might also save you some time going back and forth. But if you're charging by the hour then it's all good.

Personally I think the final green/yellow gradient they selected is ugly. It also has too many colors to print well. But ya good job and congrats on the $400!
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Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
September 18 2011 01:32 GMT
#21
That's awesome! Imagine if you see this becomes a really big thing and everyone gets to see your logo! *jealous*
Funny thing is that's how I've always pictured this sort of thing to happen.
"thats a good idea, lets expand on it"
"hm, i dunno, lets take a step back"
"you know i liked the first one the most, lets use that"
-_-
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:16:22
September 18 2011 13:15 GMT
#22
Some dude on the design contest thing just called the contest a fraud Kinda grinds my gears because I worked really hard on it all, but he's probably just butthurt he didn't win (let alone participate.)

His reasons being that the contest holder ended it 24 hours before the deadline because the contest website was saying they didn't like contests that had both name and logo requirements (aka: companies should have a name before paying designers, they say.) Being as that I had the only good name prior to the website stepping in, and the company still needed a name, the contest holder decided to just award me the victory early rather than rewriting the entire brief or being forced to create/use someone elses' hard-thought name and tell other designers to use it.

Still, kind of insulting to be told by some random dude that I've participated in some kind of fraud. Lots of people would probably just be like "LOL umad" but I kinda take offense I guess.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 18 2011 15:11 GMT
#23
Congrats man! was interesting to see it evolve. Glad you kept up with it.
Gl on your next adventure.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 18 2011 15:40 GMT
#24
I am so frickin happy for you. Congragulations man, not only do you have talent but you clearly deserve it!
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9162 Posts
September 18 2011 17:48 GMT
#25
Pretty cool! What's the font used in the logo?
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 21:06:02
September 18 2011 18:11 GMT
#26
Font was "Montara."

Working on something for a new contest right now, but there is some 3000+ submissions (higher prize money so more entries) and mine got buried under them and eliminated without feedback. I don't blame the contest holder, though- if he spent 1 minute on each submission he'd have 50+ hours of work on his plate, and a lot of the submissions are absolute trash. But, considering I followed his guidelines pretty well, its hard to know whether I missed the mark on a small detail, or if he merely didn't like the result altogether.

Here it is anyway. Some medication to reduce itchiness in dogs/cats. Requirements were that it stay very simple and text-focused (aka no symbol-based logos,) be black and white, and convey the idea of itch reduction.

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As I said, though, it got eliminated without feedback. Not sure if I should start over, make minor adjustments, or just move on to the next contest. $1120 contest though so I figure I might put in a few more design ideas and try my luck, feedback or no.

Edit: Figured I'd make another one. However, if Dude mcContest holder doesn't start providing any feedback, I'll probably just move on.

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