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Hello everyone,
This is a rage blog as I just played a BoX and was 1/1/1'd every game.
Replays will be included so that you can potentially help me figure out how to stop this fair build.
So basically, game 1 he opens 1/1/1 and goes marine tank viking ghost hellion marauderraven.
We trade and he is in a good spot, but I end up defending with chargezealots and go on to drop him + attack his front and win.
Game 2, he opens THE EXACT SAME WAY, so I assume he is doing the same build, so I decide I will change it up a bit and get quick chargezealot/archon/HT thinking that this will deal quite well this all in.
NOPE. blue flame hellion 1/1/1 with ghosts viking etc! LOLSUP.
Absolutely steamrolled.
Game 3
Tal'darim cross, Im thinking, no way can this guy do it again, but surely enough. Exact same build.
HOWEVER, this time he does a proxy stargate cloak banshee pressure that ends up doing quite a bit because my observer is half way across the map going to scout him.
I "guess" this is my mistake for only building 1 observer. He goes on to LOLOL my probes and then all ins me with tank/marine.
This player is MUCH worse than me, on just about every level so I am quite upset that I lost to such trash.
From looking through his match history he does 111 every TvP and wins with great success.
Here are the replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/175737-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau
Edit: Going here until I find a different host -
Game 2: https://rapidshare.com/files/963345345/Vlare_vs_mBnBuki_g2.SC2Replay
Game 3: https://rapidshare.com/files/921628337/Vlare_vs_mBmBuki_g3.SC2Replay
/rant
Thanks for reading.
  
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TLADT24920 Posts
Try gamereplays.org, works well with the new patches  I haven't watch the replay yet but for 1-1-1, I would say he played the mind game pretty well. He went for the same build(or similar) knowing full well that you'll expect a similar composition to either game 1/2 and then he changed it completely. Pretty smart if you ask me but I haven't seen the replays yet to determine how his play was.
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1-1-1 can also be for marine/hellion/battlecruiser. Just letting you know.
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On August 19 2011 11:37 GigaFlop wrote:
1-1-1 can also be for marine/hellion/battlecruiser. Just letting you know.
You either just trolled me or you just predicted the next GSL.
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I dislike this new trend of making strategy help topics in the Blog section rather than the strategy forum to avoid having to follow the forum guidelines there.
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On August 19 2011 10:26 Vlare wrote:
This player is MUCH worse than me, on just about every level so I am quite upset that I lost to such trash.
You lose in a Bo3 and then cry about how you feel the player is much worse than you, and that he or she is trash? Admit you got outplayed in that series, in those particular games. The build IS fair (what exactly would it mean to be unfair, anyways?). I personally don't feel any particular motivation to help you (and I probably could), when there's such a ridiculous denial of responsibility on your part.
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On August 19 2011 11:49 Fission wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 10:26 Vlare wrote:
This player is MUCH worse than me, on just about every level so I am quite upset that I lost to such trash.
You lose in a Bo3 and then cry about how you feel the player is much worse than you, and that he or she is trash? Admit you got outplayed in that series, in those particular games. The build IS fair (what exactly would it mean to be unfair, anyways?). I personally don't feel any particular motivation to help you (and I probably could), when there's such a ridiculous denial of responsibility on your part.
Sounds to me like you play Terran.
He didn't outplay me, I just made too many probes and as a result my army wasn't as big as it needed to be to hold his all in. 111 is stupid
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On August 19 2011 12:15 Vlare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 11:49 Fission wrote:On August 19 2011 10:26 Vlare wrote:
This player is MUCH worse than me, on just about every level so I am quite upset that I lost to such trash.
You lose in a Bo3 and then cry about how you feel the player is much worse than you, and that he or she is trash? Admit you got outplayed in that series, in those particular games. The build IS fair (what exactly would it mean to be unfair, anyways?). I personally don't feel any particular motivation to help you (and I probably could), when there's such a ridiculous denial of responsibility on your part. Sounds to me like you play Terran. He didn't outplay me, I just made too many probes and as a result my army wasn't as big as it needed to be to hold his all in. 111 is stupid
I have to agree with Fission on this one. Often times, I see my opponent macro up to 70-80 workers. That's all fine and dandy but most don't think about the size of their army when they get up to that many worker. That and 1-1-1 is a fair strat. As protoss, you could probably go 1 gate 1 robo 1 stargate getting zealots+immortals+VRs(not greatest but pretty decent) or mix up whatever composition you want like 1-1-1
The other thing is, if he only has 1 rax and getting a fac, etc... this means that he's pretty vulnerable since he doesn't have many units so my question is: why didn't you just go and kill him? I've had 3 rax blocking my exp with a lot of marines behind and my Protoss still brought right through that which is a lot more units than a 1-1-1 will have at that point in time
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On August 19 2011 11:46 Mobius_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 11:37 GigaFlop wrote:
1-1-1 can also be for marine/hellion/battlecruiser. Just letting you know. You either just trolled me or you just predicted the next GSL.
Why would I be trolling you?
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Oh look, another "this game is imba I'm too pro to lose" thread.
You're just terribad if you think that 1-1-1 is actually a build. It could be Banshees, BF Hellions, Thors, well, everything, you know?
It's like saying, oh, this Zerg went 14 Hatch, probably Roach/Hydra!
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On August 19 2011 13:02 Kukaracha wrote:
Oh look, another "this game is imba I'm too pro to lose" thread.
You're just terribad if you think that 1-1-1 is actually a build. It could be Banshees, BF Hellions, Thors, well, everything, you know?
It's like saying, oh, this Zerg went 14 Hatch, probably Roach/Hydra!
Maybe that's why I mentioned that is has multiple variations and they're all seen in the replays.
1/1/1 is VERY strong, take a look at GSL. You could go 1gate 1 robo 1 stargate, and then lose to stim marines+ghost+viking.
You can't just "go and kill him".
His first siege tanks pops out as soon as a stalker gets to his ramp on XNC, siege mode is up before wg tech or just after so it's very risky. Not to mention he walls with a factory/rax/starport making it hard to bust the ramp.
I'm not sure how it would have panned out had I cut more probes, maybe stopped around 30~ but the 1/1/1 is VERY powerful, so throwing out comments like "OH YOU'RE TERRIBAD" is absolutely moronic when pro gamers are also being destroyed by variations of 111 all ins.
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I personally think it's adorable when someone asks to play some games with you, loses the first few, then falls back on 1/1/1 every game.
'Adorable' in the 'vomiting, screaming baby' sense. As in, not at god-damn all.
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On August 19 2011 13:42 Dfgj wrote:
I personally think it's adorable when someone asks to play some games with you, loses the first few, then falls back on 1/1/1 every game.
'Adorable' in the 'vomiting, screaming baby' sense. As in, not at god-damn all.
I actually haven't had the luxury of this encounter yet. Lately all the Terran partners I've run across have just 1/1/1'd me from the getgo as if it were their standard lol.
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On August 19 2011 12:15 Vlare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 11:49 Fission wrote:On August 19 2011 10:26 Vlare wrote:
This player is MUCH worse than me, on just about every level so I am quite upset that I lost to such trash.
You lose in a Bo3 and then cry about how you feel the player is much worse than you, and that he or she is trash? Admit you got outplayed in that series, in those particular games. The build IS fair (what exactly would it mean to be unfair, anyways?). I personally don't feel any particular motivation to help you (and I probably could), when there's such a ridiculous denial of responsibility on your part. Sounds to me like you play Terran. He didn't outplay me, I just made too many probes and as a result my army wasn't as big as it needed to be to hold his all in. 111 is stupid
I wasn't outplayed, I just made too many drones instead of making units.
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1/1/1 is strong and 14 hatch is strong and Xgate expand is strong.
Your attitude is just moronic, blaming the build before actually pointing at your mistakes. Scouting 1-1-1 is like scouting a FE. It doesn't give you unit comp or anything. So you can't counter 1-1-1 or FEs in general. Period.
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On August 19 2011 11:47 Emporio wrote:
I dislike this new trend of making strategy help topics in the Blog section rather than the strategy forum to avoid having to follow the forum guidelines there. I agree, rules are there for a reason.
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On August 19 2011 14:15 Kukaracha wrote:
1/1/1 is strong and 14 hatch is strong and Xgate expand is strong.
Your attitude is just moronic, blaming the build before actually pointing at your mistakes. Scouting 1-1-1 is like scouting a FE. It doesn't give you unit comp or anything. So you can't counter 1-1-1 or FEs in general. Period.
If you actually read the thread, I do go on to point out my mistakes and not just cry. I simply put too much into my economy. And the fact that you can't scout the 1/1/1 makes it even worse because, although you know it's coming, you do not know which variation is coming and you will not know how to skew your comp/ tech. Unless terran does a bad job of hiding his tech of path, ie banshee, ghost, bfh or a mixture of these, you are almost countering it in the dark.
On August 19 2011 14:15 Kukaracha wrote:
1/1/1 is strong and 14 hatch is strong and Xgate expand is strong.
Your attitude is just moronic, blaming the build before actually pointing at your mistakes. Scouting 1-1-1 is like scouting a FE. It doesn't give you unit comp or anything. So you can't counter 1-1-1 or FEs in general. Period.
14 hatch really isn't strong though, and Xgate is very situational. Gateway pushes were nerfed, for a reason I'm sure.
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1/1/1 is not a build its a standard opener for a many builds. It pretty much allows the Terran access to most of the tech they'll need. It is totally up to you to figure out what their army comp is going to be.
I've gotta agree with several of the post above this is a scouting issue.
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On August 19 2011 12:15 Vlare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 11:49 Fission wrote:On August 19 2011 10:26 Vlare wrote:
This player is MUCH worse than me, on just about every level so I am quite upset that I lost to such trash.
You lose in a Bo3 and then cry about how you feel the player is much worse than you, and that he or she is trash? Admit you got outplayed in that series, in those particular games. The build IS fair (what exactly would it mean to be unfair, anyways?). I personally don't feel any particular motivation to help you (and I probably could), when there's such a ridiculous denial of responsibility on your part. Sounds to me like you play Terran. He didn't outplay me, I just made too many probes and as a result my army wasn't as big as it needed to be to hold his all in. 111 is stupid
I am a toss too, and I see my share of 1/1/1 pushes. Terran tends to be the aggressor in a PvT unless you can scout that he is cutting units and going for a faster expand. My only suggestion is getting your robo faster and getting as much scouting from your first probe as you can. You fail to mention what build you followed. And if you scout a 1/1/1 you shouldn't be chronoing probes out, actually against a terran, after the first two chronos on probes and 3rd on warp gate, I usually chrono units out until I can get my robo out and an obs to check if they've expanded. If they have, I push with units, if they haven't I prepare for a defense and I have the army to do so.
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I love these "I lost but I'm much better than my opponent!" threads, and you even managed to do it with an entire (albeit small) series. If you don't have a firm grasp on your own ability, you're going to continue to struggle in general, but especially versus specific builds. I'd work on fixing your mental approach to the game before you worry about anything else.
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On August 20 2011 04:16 RANDOMCL wrote:
I love these "I lost but I'm much better than my opponent!" threads, and you even managed to do it with an entire (albeit small) series. If you don't have a firm grasp on your own ability, you're going to continue to struggle in general, but especially versus specific builds. I'd work on fixing your mental approach to the game before you worry about anything else.
that said. I find 2 gate robo holds 1-1-1 pretty easily. just make more than 1 obs. lol
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On August 20 2011 04:16 RANDOMCL wrote:
I love these "I lost but I'm much better than my opponent!" threads, and you even managed to do it with an entire (albeit small) series. If you don't have a firm grasp on your own ability, you're going to continue to struggle in general, but especially versus specific builds. I'd work on fixing your mental approach to the game before you worry about anything else.
I've played him before, I am a better player. Scouting a 111 is very hard as there is a raven + early siege tanks, making the only scouting you can do semi risky as you may lose your Obs. In which case banshees auto gg you.
The risk of banshees alone, let alone proxy banshee means you have to go double obs quick to deal with 111, which is why I actually lost the 3rd game as I cut this 2nd observer.
It was my mistake to invest too much into economy, however, I find it rather amusing that people simply say stuff like "YOU SUCK BLAH BLAH BLAH, L2P" etc..
The point of this thread was just a vent, and you guys are acting like Im trying to start a balance thread in the strategy section, chill the fuck out.
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