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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:25 Rokk wrote: See, here's the thing Xeris. You always seem to have an explanation for everything brought against you, but stuff keeps coming up that paints you in a bad light: this whole seat-stealing thing, where you're trying to diminish witness's statements; PsyStarcraft's thing, where you "forgot" to check your Youtube account, despite choosing that account to send it from when at the time it was important; SC2GGRise's thing that will go unproven either way; numerous complaints about the NASL that are responded to by apologies that sound just as disingenuous as this one. People may just have something against you, and with anonymous Reddit users I wouldn't be surprised. But when prominent members of the community chime in, their anecdotes feel more truthful. Guess what, when you're around a community long enough, people will find reasons to dislike you. I'm a nobody in this community other than a name on Team Liquid but I'm sure there are some people who could bitch about me at this point. Once you've pissed somebody off, purposefully or not, people will hold a grudge and remember they hate you for a long time. ' When you're somebody who is involved in the community as much as Xeris is, that only amplifies the number of people who he might have rubbed the wrong way. And the vocal minority who want to air their grievances will have their soap box to stand on, always. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Guess what, when you're around a community long enough, people will find reasons to dislike you. I'm a nobody in this community other than a name on Team Liquid but I'm sure there are some people who could bitch about me at this point. Once you've pissed somebody off, purposefully or not, people will hold a grudge and remember they hate you for a long time. ' When you're somebody who is involved in the community as much as Xeris is, that only amplifies the number of people who he might have rubbed the wrong way. And the vocal minority who want to air their grievances will have their soap box to stand on, always. Well sure, some people will find a reason to dislike you, but that doesn't really mean anything. Some community members have very little good press about them while some have almost all good press. "Haters gonna hate" isn't exactly a defense when you're a prominent community member who has a lot of bad press and is also the face of a commercial product. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:30 Xeris wrote: I totally agree with you, there definitely is something I'm not doing right, but hopefully I'll figure it out To be honest, this is one of the first posts I've read of yours that feels truly genuine. There's no bullshit. You don't sound like you're trying to cover your own ass. It's short, simple, and sounds humble. I really feel like it's those qualities that get the majority on your side and keeps the Reddit mob from picking up their pitchforks. | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
A reasonable person would conclude that this makes Xeris unprofessional or lazy or unreliable. A bitch would conclude that this makes Xeris a bitch. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:30 Xeris wrote: I totally agree with you, there definitely is something I'm not doing right, but hopefully I'll figure it out Next time someone bitches at you for taking their seat, start rubbing your skin against theirs. Hopefully they love the feel of it and will forget the whole thing happened. There isn't a single problem out there that you cannot solve with your smooth olive skin. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On August 03 2011 16:55 [uci] Fizik wrote: Do you not understand what rules are? Maybe there just needs to be more nazi-strictness in MLG about seats. TBH it was brought up by several staffers throughout the event but out of grace and mercy MLG decided not to be strict about the VIP seating but still held firm to the "no saving seats" rule. Let's be honest, seating is the most demanded commodity in e-sports. I mean just like any sports event better seats cost more. I suggested to them to just sell seating by the chair to those who are serious about watching it. Like seriously there is no real solution to this problem then selling the front half sector to those that are serious about their seats. Gives MLG some money (maybe they can invest in some bleachers, derp) to use to better the events. 25$ spectator admissions, ~40$ for a permanent seat for entire event? or have a random drawn rotation for seating to a pool that applies for seating per match (only available to those who pre-register giving incentive for people to pre-purchase tickets). Example: Tickets # 1-250 get to watch game one, Tickets 250-500 watch game#2, Tickets 501-750 watch game#3 and have it cycle. Then sell the Semifinals/finals seating per ticket. This way, the "lazy" ones who don't follow the process get deserved seating in the open seating pool ( the second half behind the first half) where it will be strictly enforced of "no seat saving". No you are just a rule breaker who doesn't understand or accept the things that don't go your way or concepts that aren't to your idealism of which all might as well be classified as an infringement on your freedoms and rights. Not to mention one greedy bastard. Why would you be so greedy as to want to reserve a whole section of seats just for you and your friends for the entire day knowing that there are only 1,000 seats to the 2,000 people. You talk about being "fair" to those who "earned it" what did you earn? Great, you got your seats early and got to have good seating for the first half of the games. But eventually you need to go eat, pee, walk around, do something other then sit there waiting like a sack of derp. You guys took shifts eating? So you are telling me for 20-30 minutes that someone could have been sitting in those seats you guys wasted your own time and everyone else's time to keep them vacant? Jesus Christ you can see the game from anywhere in the room, they may not be the best but whatever. Stop being so greedy and learn to enjoy the whole event and maybe you wouldn't be such a big angry ball of rage like the other greedy people. Reminds me of the episode of South Park where kids with small dicks rage at the world about how unfair the "rules" are. you are obviously one of the retarded kids who didnt understand the announcments made. they explicitly talked about getting there early, throwing your shit on a seat and then not using them They were talking about people who would get there at 8 abd just set something down on seats and never return. It was NEVER the case where they were telling people who went to the restroom would lose their seat. I am glad you are brave enough to point yourself out as one of the idiots who couldnt understand the reasoning behind the announcement. It actually had nothing to do with people using the restroom, while their friend was still in the seat. And you are right, I am greedy for waking up at 6 and not hardly sleeping to get a good seat, and not freely giving it to some selfish prick who strolled in 6 hours later and wanted front row seats. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MuffinFTW
United States235 Posts
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On August 04 2011 09:30 Xeris wrote: I totally agree with you, there definitely is something I'm not doing right, but hopefully I'll figure it out I think the problem is that you appear only to be trying to look good after the fact, with little-to-no acknowledgment that what you did was wrong. You say things similar to, "I'm terribly sorry for acting in a bad way", which is great. People want to know that you realize that you've done something wrong; they want a gesture that you will endeavor to improve yourself, and that it won't happen again. Unfortunately, you undermine your apology by blaming every person within a 10m radius from the seats. The security was at fault, the guy in the seat behind you was at fault, the other person's communication was at fault, etc. This sends the message that you don't actually think you are the reason for the confusion, and that you don't intend to improve or change the way you conduct yourself. You then get caught up trying to blame the other guy for anonymously posting on the web rather than creating a conflict with you. This shows that you aren't necessarily concerned with how you ruined somebody's day and how to prevent yourself from doing it in the future, but rather you are just concerned about your reputation and keeping it as private as possible. Rather than just sticking to an apology for your wrong acts, you get wrapped up in all the ways you could have avoided the unwanted exposure. This seems like you just lack the ability to filter your different emotions, or you are mentally wired to be sociopathic. The impression I get is that you get so caught up in your wants (your sense of entitlement?), that you under appreciate the obligations that you have to other people in the civilized society we cohabit. The real world has higher expectations of how you should treat those around you than an internet forum such as TL has. Unfortunately, your apology gave little confidence to those who read it that you will be more respectful of those people you come into contact with, either offline or online. The easy way out was to get more information from the person whose seat you stole, or the people around you, so as to avoid the whole event from happening in the first place rather than assuming you were entitled. Unfortunately you botched that, and you botched the public apology, which was the second easiest way out. At this point you've temporarily screwed yourself, and have hurt Fnatic and NASL at least a little bit by association (unless you believe that any publicity is good publicity). Looks like you're going to have to earn peoples respect the long, hard way. | ||
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lazydino
Canada331 Posts
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OCsurfeR
United States195 Posts
On August 03 2011 23:20 zaii wrote: liquidgaga who? Also about the seats, add anymore seats and the fire marshal will shut down the event, it's been said over and over again. As I am local to the Anaheim area, I've seen that same hall hold 5X to 6X the number of seats it held for MLG, so there needs to be some dimension to your statement. I've no doubt that in the configuration MLG chose, they were not permitted to place more seats in the hall. But that's a configuration issue that's within their control, not an arbitrary situation that MLG had no ability to affect. I'm not QQ'ing on MLG, I think they create a great event, but I just wanted to make it clear that they were not powerless to create a configuration that was more spectator friendly with more seats. In my opinion, this is really one of the last major hurdles MLG needs to overcome to truly make their events World Class. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
I can't reconcile how you can walk into a packed venue, see two empty front row seats with belongings left there, and somehow think its acceptable to take them. I perused the thread, but I did not read every post in the 17 pages; that said, the only argument I saw that supported seat stealing was that sometimes people would leave and not come back. Obviously, they came back. It's unacceptable to me that you would feel you are simply entitled to steal front row seats without even stopping to ask the person why two "spectators" were in "VIP" seats. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On August 05 2011 13:01 Craton wrote: I feel this is less feeling bad about doing it and more feeling bad about being caught doing it. In short: damage control. I can't reconcile how you can walk into a packed venue, see two empty front row seats with belongings left there, and somehow think its acceptable to take them. I perused the thread, but I did not read every post in the 17 pages; that said, the only argument I saw that supported seat stealing was that sometimes people would leave and not come back. Obviously, they came back. It's unacceptable to me that you would feel you are simply entitled to steal front row seats without even stopping to ask the person why two "spectators" were in "VIP" seats. It's easy to go back and say that in hindsight when you know not only two biased versions of the event, but the whole identities of both parties involved and the outcome. People make mistakes every single day that make them go "I can't believe I did that, it was so obvious!" or "Wow, I totally missed that one." I'm not trying to defend Xeris here but try to be a little impartial - It's really easy to solve the puzzle of "Why there were 2 empty seats" when you know the seats were originally reserved for two contest winners that left their seats for the bathroom. From Xeris' perspective, he probably didn't even know said puzzle was there to begin with. Ever hear the phrase: "Sometimes it's better to just not ask questions." I think we should all calm down here. I'm neither supporting nor defending the case against Xeris, but I think this whole thing got blown way out of proportion. We honestly don't know exactly what happened, nor do we know what went through the minds of either party (particularly Xeris') at the time of the altercation. Perhaps the contest winners should have explained that they were contest winners or gotten an MLG staff member to come and explain to Xeris what the situation was, instead of getting some hired security guard that (from what the story indicates) had no idea or didn't care what was going on. Even if Xeris did douche it up a bit, it doesn't excuse the a lot of the extreme reactions. I'm not saying what he did was proper, but we're just as bad if we're screaming obscenities at him and telling him what a bad person he is. It really sucks that those two contest winners lost their seats, but at the end of the day that's all that happened. Xeris didn't mug them, he didn't beat them up, and he didn't steal their girlfriends. He took their seats. That's it. So let's not blow this any more out of proportion. There's an obvious misunderstanding going on here, and Xeris' offer of buying them tickets for the next MLG was a pretty nice gesture. He definitely didn't have to do it, and could have still had the same reaction that many people did to him. At the end of the day, I think we all learned something from this, so let's stop the hate already. | ||
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PolSC2
United States634 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Shame! | ||
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[uci] Fizik
United States263 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:10 Haemonculus wrote: Is this what passes for ESPORRTSSS drama these days? Shame! I know right? We need more wasted and high progamers getting involved in drug deals, car thefts, overdoses and sex scandals. ESPORTS, we know drama. Seriously part of me is glad that ESPORTS hasn't gotten as far as having OD'd gamers or gamers dying to binge gaming and all we have to quarrel about is who stole whose seats. *knocks on wood* Like I tell my mama, I may be grinding SC2 until 2 AM but at least I ain't doing weed. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On August 06 2011 03:03 [uci] Fizik wrote: I know right? We need more wasted and high progamers getting involved in drug deals, car thefts, overdoses and sex scandals. ESPORTS, we know drama. Seriously part of me is glad that ESPORTS hasn't gotten as far as having OD'd gamers or gamers dying to binge gaming and all we have to quarrel about is who stole whose seats. *knocks on wood* Like I tell my mama, I may be grinding SC2 until 2 AM but at least I ain't doing weed. 2 out of 4 aint too bad. | ||
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Horrde
Canada302 Posts
Xeris, back in 2007 at WCG Canada nationals for BW, I stayed with you and others of team light at Mitch's house and you made a really good pork steak for me on his barbeque. Your okay in my book. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On August 06 2011 03:36 Horrde wrote: After reading this thread, and if I were to ever attend one of these events in the future, I'm wearing the most god awful shittiest pants I can find and soaking my chair with a water bottle full of iodine and used chewing gum every time I get up. Sitting back in it won't be a problem for me. Sounds like a zoo. Xeris, back in 2007 at WCG Canada nationals for BW, I stayed with you and others of team light at Mitch's house and you made a really good pork steak for me on his barbeque. Your okay in my book. "You make good BBQ? You okay guy." That made me chuckle a bit  | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On August 04 2011 03:39 Xeris wrote: PsyStarcraft: That was an idea that one of the ex owners of NASL had Wait, is that ex-owner Duncan? Also I find it weird that Rise would come back from the dead just to make shit up about you....... | ||
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