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darksage78
Canada243 Posts
10. Limit the # of koreans in pool play to 4. Uhh... MLG only invites 4 Koreans from GSL through the LXP event each time. Ganzi and Rain both earned their way in pool play through the open bracket. Moonan and SelecT have been to several MLGs before and earned their place in pool play from their rank points. | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:14 darmousseh wrote: I would say like 90% know who day9 is, 75% know husky, and maybe 20% knew who MVP was. Now, 90% know who MVP is. It'll probably be the same when Bomber goes to Raleigh and stomps everyone (except MVP) - no one knows who he is, but they'll know when it's over. Honestly, this isn't an issue. It probably has more to do with them being Terrans than anything else. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
The thing is people want koreans there because they want to see foreigners win against koreans. However it always ends up with the koreans crushing face and then the foreign fans get disappointed. Regrettably I saw basically no improvement in the quality of play from foreigners this mlg. The Koreans are pulling so far ahead in terms of skill making the games appear so one-sided. The only person not of non-korean decent that stood a chance was Huk and to a much lesser extent, Naniwa. | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
 There needs to be more dang chairs, and I definitely think having two stages would be even more amazing: win-win for the spectators and the organizers :D | ||
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alexhard
Sweden317 Posts
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:14 darmousseh wrote: I would say like 90% know who day9 is, 75% know husky, and maybe 20% knew who MVP was. If this was true, it's sad. I wouldn't call those people sc2 fans who are knowledgable in pro sc2. That's like saying, "hey guys, I love basketball and I'm a huge basketball fan. I came to watch some basketball. ummm Lebron who? who is this Kobe Bryant guy?" | ||
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JiSu
Korea (South)140 Posts
Foreigners just need to play, practice more and harder. If you ever follow ST_Rainbow, who was runner up 1st GSL but hasn't produced any results, the guy literally plays 24/7. So obviously Koreans's practice regime is entirely different. They actually view it as their professions, how they make money and they're serious. | ||
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deerpark87
760 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
I also stopped watching or playing attention when Nani and HuK got knocked out, it kinda got boring to me!!! | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 02 2011 17:38 Tommylew wrote: i think you got a valid point when our players go to Korea they get put in Code A NOT Code S yet here we are just putting them directly into our equilavent in MLG to Code S!!!!! I also stopped watching or playing attention when Nani and HuK got knocked out, it kinda got boring to me!!! This is because GSL is a much higher caliber tournament than MLG. Getting seeded into code S just wouldn't be fair. If you compare the open bracket and the code A preliminaries they aren't even close in terms of difficulty. If you get placed into code S you automatically get 1.5k, and you're competing for around 50k, while in pool play you're not guaranteed anything. Getting a code A spot when you placed like 15th in MLG is pretty generous. | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On August 02 2011 06:56 galtdunn wrote: He was talking more about entertainment value than fairness. And it's true, watching 6 koreans battle it out for first in southern california is not as fun as watching say, Huk vs IdrA battle it out for first. Remember how big the TSL3 was? And when you say "you don't care to learn their culture," who exactly do you think you are? Are you a korean culture expert or something? Or maybe you just think that because you watch the GSL at 2am that you're a cool kid? The OP is completely right, we foreigners (even GSL watchers) don't know a ton of stories and thus it's less interesting to watch. It's not a "koreans are OP" issue, it's just how much vested interest the audience has. If you like football but don't specifically follow the rams or the raiders, then you don't want to watch St. Louis play the Panthers, they would rather watch their favorite team play their rival (think Dallas vs New York or Green Bay vs Minnesota). lmao. I don't even watch SCII. I just think it's ridiculous to exclude an entire group of people. Especialy because of something arbitrary like "story." You just don't know the people because you don't speak the language and then because it's hard to understand, shove them under a bus and say "stop beating us, it's for the good of entertainment!" Which is asinine since it's all opinionated at that point anyway. What I say is more entertaining is not what you say is not what he says...etc....etc... I like how you decide to try and stereotype me though, that was nice and it showed some good restraint. Well played. Next time you reply, don't put words in my mouth, thanks. Actually, in sports, I like to watch the best of the best play. My sport is BW, my team is SKT but even then I usually just look for games with my key players regardless of if it's OZ or Khan or what have you. I like these players based off their SKILL.I haven't followed anything closely ever otherwise. I watch hockey and rugby and sometimes soccer. I watch them for the game. I don't care who is playing, as I am not vested there. So, now we get to the meat of the issue. Is the audience there for a player and "story" or are they there to see a true test of skill and game? | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
While I agree with increasing # of seats (this is kind of basic), I don't agree with excluding Koreans just because they're crushing their non-Korean opponents. It'll be a test of time and willpower for "foreigners" to catch up - for now, the best way seems to be for those foreigners to join Korean teams and practice alongside others. I also read that EG started up their own practice house, so the initiatives are there and steps are being taken. One thing I'd like the SC2 part for MLG to add are event-based games. Perhaps there was too much focus on just straight-up tournament and not enough "casual fun" for less hardcore fans? If the venue is to entertain and advertise the game as a whole, I believe some NON-MELEE show-matches between the "popular" players (which could be fan-voted, for example) could add variety and excitement (micro-based UMS tournaments, for example). | ||
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iNViCiOUZ
Germany364 Posts
The most koreans need someone who translate and that is where a lot of the personality and uniqueness (hope this is the right word) goes away. Also that they always say the same: Thanks to all who cheering for me i will give my best blablabla. its like I AM A [overline]K O R E A N[/overline] R O B O T Boxer was the only one at last MLG I would cheer, cause he shows emotions, cause his interview was interessting. | ||
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almond
115 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
Although be sure, i'm sure MLG will think of something. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
On August 03 2011 02:47 Milkis wrote: They literally could not have more seats at the event. They were at the maximum number of chairs they were allowed for that venue. Although be sure, i'm sure MLG will think of something. Can benches be used to cheat the system? Ie: claim each bench sits 4 ppl but in reality it sits 6... | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On August 03 2011 03:23 Hikari wrote: Can benches be used to cheat the system? Ie: claim each bench sits 4 ppl but in reality it sits 6... No idea, but I'm sure MLG is working on it. | ||
NonY
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
On August 03 2011 02:47 Milkis wrote: They literally could not have more seats at the event. They were at the maximum number of chairs they were allowed for that venue. Although be sure, i'm sure MLG will think of something. Yep. I heard some official talking to a distraught guy who was having to stand, and they said it had to do with the max amount of chairs allowed by the fire people. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6596 Posts
On August 02 2011 13:39 JiSu wrote: You can't just take out the Korean pro gamers just because there is a skill difference.. I mean look at game 2 between MMA and MVP. Holy shit. I was thinking when the hell NA TvT will be insane, back and forth like that? Foreigners just need to play, practice more and harder. If you ever follow ST_Rainbow, who was runner up 1st GSL but hasn't produced any results, the guy literally plays 24/7. So obviously Koreans's practice regime is entirely different. They actually view it as their professions, how they make money and they're serious. Exactly. If you want to put a limit on Koreans coming to compete you better make the entire MLG only available to American players. Forget Europe, South America, and Australia. I think the bigger problem is that they were almost all Terran =p | ||
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