MLG Criticisms from a fan - Page 3

darksage78

Canada243 Posts

August 02 2011 00:15 GMT

#41

10. Limit the # of koreans in pool play to 4.

Uhh... MLG only invites 4 Koreans from GSL through the LXP event each time. Ganzi and Rain both earned their way in pool play through the open bracket. Moonan and SelecT have been to several MLGs before and earned their place in pool play from their rank points.

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1409 Posts

August 02 2011 00:17 GMT

#42

On August 02 2011 08:14 darmousseh wrote:

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On August 02 2011 08:01 cz wrote:

On August 02 2011 07:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On August 02 2011 07:27 cz wrote:

On August 02 2011 07:23 Dubzex wrote:

On August 02 2011 07:19 udgnim wrote:
here are the reasons why MVP got less cheers than MMA and DRG

MVP hasn't won anything since 4/9/2011 when he won the GSL World Championship and he hasn't had a deep run in a GSL since then, so that is almost a 4 month period of not producing any good results.

MMA won the last MLG and placed second in the GSL Super Tournament which occurred 6/8/2011. so he's obviously going to get more hype due to producing more recent results.

DRG has been coming through for his team as the ace player in GSTL. he won LG Cinema 3D tournament on 6/18/2011. he's been hyped as won of the best Zergs in Korea despite his Code B status.

basically the hype around MVP has had 4 months to simmer down while the hype around DRG & MMA is more of a boil.

Don't forget the fact that QXC beat him in GSTL. That kinda took away from the mystique that these players tend to hold.

As per the OP, the problem is that people don't really know at all who MVP is. That he dropped a game to a foreigner should actually help him, not hurt him - at least he's a face and a name to the few people who follow the foreigner scene enough to know qxc but not MVP.

The "korean mystique" is the problem - they are just faceless strong players, without the language skills or reputation in the foreigner scene to create the drama that really gets people caring about everything.

That's not true at all I think. How do people not know who a 2 time GSL winner is? I don't know why, but MVP has never gotten that much attention. Even at the GSL finals against MKP, MKP had many more fans even though MVP was by far the superior player in every aspect.

If I had to guess I think it would be because he lacks the charisma of MC, and he isn't sort of the "zerg hope" like nestea is since there are so many koreans. I don't really know why MMA got more fans, but it probably has to do with being the son of boxer.

Read the OP from the guy who was there and talking to people around him in the stands - the people there are not big SC2 fans for the most part, they probably don't even know what the GSL is. There are hardcore teamliquid-type people out there, but they are the minority, not the majority. I wasn't there but I'm getting the feeling that the majority of fans don't know much at all - they probably came because they have a friend who wanted to go or something, and they know a bit about esports such as who boxer is and maybe who won the last MLG, but that seems to be about it.

From the OP

Most people know very little about sc2 at all and barely keep up with the scene, but they still watch it. The majority of people here on tl know who mvp is, etc, but the majority there don't. If it's truly going to go mainstream, this needs to change.

I would say like 90% know who day9 is, 75% know husky, and maybe 20% knew who MVP was.

Now, 90% know who MVP is.

It'll probably be the same when Bomber goes to Raleigh and stomps everyone (except MVP) - no one knows who he is, but they'll know when it's over. Honestly, this isn't an issue. It probably has more to do with them being Terrans than anything else.

JoeSchmoe

Canada2058 Posts

August 02 2011 00:49 GMT

#43

This tournament needs someone with personality like MC who knows how to get the audience going. He was responsible for like 1/2 of the drama/excitement in last MLG. I hope they invite him to the next MLG.

The thing is people want koreans there because they want to see foreigners win against koreans. However it always ends up with the koreans crushing face and then the foreign fans get disappointed. Regrettably I saw basically no improvement in the quality of play from foreigners this mlg. The Koreans are pulling so far ahead in terms of skill making the games appear so one-sided. The only person not of non-korean decent that stood a chance was Huk and to a much lesser extent, Naniwa.

Z3kk

4099 Posts

August 02 2011 00:52 GMT

#44

I agree will all of the opinions in this thread, even on varying sides! You guys all have a point

There needs to be more dang chairs, and I definitely think having two stages would be even more amazing: win-win for the spectators and the organizers :D

alexhard

Sweden317 Posts

August 02 2011 03:38 GMT

#45

This OP just solidifies my stereotypical view of American sc2 fans tbh. Pretty shameful stuff, no idea why you'd want to air those kinds of opinions on a public forum.

don_kyuhote

3006 Posts

August 02 2011 04:23 GMT

#46

On August 02 2011 08:14 darmousseh wrote:

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On August 02 2011 08:01 cz wrote:

On August 02 2011 07:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On August 02 2011 07:27 cz wrote:

On August 02 2011 07:23 Dubzex wrote:

Don't forget the fact that QXC beat him in GSTL. That kinda took away from the mystique that these players tend to hold.

I would say like 90% know who day9 is, 75% know husky, and maybe 20% knew who MVP was.

If this was true, it's sad.
I wouldn't call those people sc2 fans who are knowledgable in pro sc2.
That's like saying, "hey guys, I love basketball and I'm a huge basketball fan. I came to watch some basketball. ummm Lebron who? who is this Kobe Bryant guy?"

JiSu

Korea (South)140 Posts

August 02 2011 04:39 GMT

#47

You can't just take out the Korean pro gamers just because there is a skill difference.. I mean look at game 2 between MMA and MVP. Holy shit. I was thinking when the hell NA TvT will be insane, back and forth like that?

Foreigners just need to play, practice more and harder. If you ever follow ST_Rainbow, who was runner up 1st GSL but hasn't produced any results, the guy literally plays 24/7. So obviously Koreans's practice regime is entirely different. They actually view it as their professions, how they make money and they're serious.

deerpark87

760 Posts

August 02 2011 04:53 GMT

#48

some of those korean like ganzi and rain came from open brackets. so we should block koreans that comes from open bracket now??

Tommylew

Wales2717 Posts

August 02 2011 08:38 GMT

#49

i think you got a valid point when our players go to Korea they get put in Code A NOT Code S yet here we are just putting them directly into our equilavent in MLG to Code S!!!!!

I also stopped watching or playing attention when Nani and HuK got knocked out, it kinda got boring to me!!!

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

August 02 2011 09:26 GMT

#50

On August 02 2011 17:38 Tommylew wrote:
i think you got a valid point when our players go to Korea they get put in Code A NOT Code S yet here we are just putting them directly into our equilavent in MLG to Code S!!!!!

I also stopped watching or playing attention when Nani and HuK got knocked out, it kinda got boring to me!!!

This is because GSL is a much higher caliber tournament than MLG. Getting seeded into code S just wouldn't be fair. If you compare the open bracket and the code A preliminaries they aren't even close in terms of difficulty. If you get placed into code S you automatically get 1.5k, and you're competing for around 50k, while in pool play you're not guaranteed anything. Getting a code A spot when you placed like 15th in MLG is pretty generous.

TheGlassface

United States612 Posts

August 02 2011 16:23 GMT

#51

On August 02 2011 06:56 galtdunn wrote:

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He was talking more about entertainment value than fairness. And it's true, watching 6 koreans battle it out for first in southern california is not as fun as watching say, Huk vs IdrA battle it out for first. Remember how big the TSL3 was?

And when you say "you don't care to learn their culture," who exactly do you think you are? Are you a korean culture expert or something? Or maybe you just think that because you watch the GSL at 2am that you're a cool kid? The OP is completely right, we foreigners (even GSL watchers) don't know a ton of stories and thus it's less interesting to watch.

It's not a "koreans are OP" issue, it's just how much vested interest the audience has. If you like football but don't specifically follow the rams or the raiders, then you don't want to watch St. Louis play the Panthers, they would rather watch their favorite team play their rival (think Dallas vs New York or Green Bay vs Minnesota).

lmao. I don't even watch SCII.
I just think it's ridiculous to exclude an entire group of people. Especialy because of something arbitrary like "story."
You just don't know the people because you don't speak the language and then because it's hard to understand, shove them under a bus and say "stop beating us, it's for the good of entertainment!" Which is asinine since it's all opinionated at that point anyway. What I say is more entertaining is not what you say is not what he says...etc....etc...

I like how you decide to try and stereotype me though, that was nice and it showed some good restraint. Well played. Next time you reply, don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

Actually, in sports, I like to watch the best of the best play. My sport is BW, my team is SKT but even then I usually just look for games with my key players regardless of if it's OZ or Khan or what have you. I like these players based off their SKILL.I haven't followed anything closely ever otherwise. I watch hockey and rugby and sometimes soccer. I watch them for the game. I don't care who is playing, as I am not vested there.

So, now we get to the meat of the issue. Is the audience there for a player and "story" or are they there to see a true test of skill and game?

OpticalShot

Canada6330 Posts

August 02 2011 16:35 GMT

#52

I didn't attend MLG personally, but I can see from the OP and the replies that the event could be improved in many ways.

While I agree with increasing # of seats (this is kind of basic), I don't agree with excluding Koreans just because they're crushing their non-Korean opponents. It'll be a test of time and willpower for "foreigners" to catch up - for now, the best way seems to be for those foreigners to join Korean teams and practice alongside others. I also read that EG started up their own practice house, so the initiatives are there and steps are being taken.

One thing I'd like the SC2 part for MLG to add are event-based games. Perhaps there was too much focus on just straight-up tournament and not enough "casual fun" for less hardcore fans? If the venue is to entertain and advertise the game as a whole, I believe some NON-MELEE show-matches between the "popular" players (which could be fan-voted, for example) could add variety and excitement (micro-based UMS tournaments, for example).

iNViCiOUZ

Germany364 Posts

August 02 2011 16:52 GMT

#53

I have to agree with your point, that english speaking players create more of a story, that again makes a lot of fans. Also the peronality of a player is what they make unique.

The most koreans need someone who translate and that is where a lot of the personality and uniqueness (hope this is the right word) goes away. Also that they always say the same: Thanks to all who cheering for me i will give my best blablabla.
its like I AM A [overline]K O R E A N[/overline] R O B O T

Boxer was the only one at last MLG I would cheer, cause he shows emotions, cause his interview was interessting.

almond

115 Posts

August 02 2011 17:07 GMT

#54

Good ideas. Let's hope someone from MLG reads this.

Milkis

5003 Posts

August 02 2011 17:47 GMT

#55

They literally could not have more seats at the event. They were at the maximum number of chairs they were allowed for that venue.

Although be sure, i'm sure MLG will think of something.

Hikari

1914 Posts

August 02 2011 18:23 GMT

#56

On August 03 2011 02:47 Milkis wrote:
They literally could not have more seats at the event. They were at the maximum number of chairs they were allowed for that venue.

Although be sure, i'm sure MLG will think of something.

Can benches be used to cheat the system? Ie: claim each bench sits 4 ppl but in reality it sits 6...

Milkis

5003 Posts

August 02 2011 18:25 GMT

#57

On August 03 2011 03:23 Hikari wrote:

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Can benches be used to cheat the system? Ie: claim each bench sits 4 ppl but in reality it sits 6...

No idea, but I'm sure MLG is working on it.

NonY

8748 Posts

August 02 2011 18:36 GMT

#58

imo budget more floor space for events. put most of the tournament area in a different hall. have the main hall be main stages + a few featured stations + sponsor booths etc. then give players a way to walk from the regular tournament area (in the other hall) to the featured stations and main stage without having to go through fans. this gives more chairs and floor space to seat spectators rather than competitors and it gives competitors space and comfort to compete. two huge pluses for the fans, except for the small minority of fans that would rather get autographs from players than see them play well

Dalguno

United States2446 Posts

August 02 2011 18:47 GMT

#59

Yep. I heard some official talking to a distraught guy who was having to stand, and they said it had to do with the max amount of chairs allowed by the fire people.

OmniEulogy

Canada6590 Posts

August 02 2011 19:02 GMT

#60

On August 02 2011 13:39 JiSu wrote:
You can't just take out the Korean pro gamers just because there is a skill difference.. I mean look at game 2 between MMA and MVP. Holy shit. I was thinking when the hell NA TvT will be insane, back and forth like that?

Foreigners just need to play, practice more and harder. If you ever follow ST_Rainbow, who was runner up 1st GSL but hasn't produced any results, the guy literally plays 24/7. So obviously Koreans's practice regime is entirely different. They actually view it as their professions, how they make money and they're serious.

Exactly. If you want to put a limit on Koreans coming to compete you better make the entire MLG only available to American players. Forget Europe, South America, and Australia. I think the bigger problem is that they were almost all Terran =p

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