EPTThe most interesting thing by FAR is how the foreigners will fare against the Korean players.
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
The most interesting thing by FAR is how the foreigners will fare against the Korean players. | ||
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ssi.bal-listic
United States568 Posts
10. Limit the # of koreans in pool play to 4. I would almost say no koreans but people were cheering hard for boxer and donraegu, but almost no one was cheering for MVP. Yes, you might want to see the BEST players in the world, but as fans, I want to see the best players I know that can create a storyline. Imagine if the finals were idra vs boxer or huk vs naniwa or white-ra vs anyone. It would have been a much better atmosphere. A lot of people left when the foreginers all got knocked out too and the players seemed hopeless when playing them. A starcraft 2 tournament should be stressful yes, but it got to the point where it didn't look like the foreigners were enjoying the koreans winning everything. Maybe at columbus, when introducing koreans for the first time, it was enjoyable, but when korean take top 6, it's totally different. there were 4 koreans in pool play. 2 just came from open bracket. Are you really gonna stop koreans from going to MLG through open bracket? I mean, they're just same as the local players, in terms of having to play millions of games. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:03 mTw|NarutO wrote: If I want to see a non-Korean tournament, I go and watch Go4Sc2, Zotac, Gigabyte Cup & the likes of it. I would not watch MLG if there would be no Koreans and I guess a lot of other fans and players wouldn't as well. The most interesting thing by FAR is how the foreigners will fare against the Korean players. No I didn't say "no koreans" I said "less koreans". I think choosing koreans based on their popularity would be better than choosing them based on their skill. MVP completely decimated TvT and it was boring to watch. Remember this is a fan's perspective. If I was a competitor I would probably think otherwise. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:02 cz wrote: Going so strong until you had to throw in the racial slur. Even if you are white, cut it out. Relax there Kangaroo Jack. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:09 Yamulo wrote: I agree 100% about showing the foreigners games... I was really excited to get to watch huk play again, and I ended up only seeing 2 series. Definitely. The loudest cheers were by far for idra vs boxer, huk vs donrague, and white-ra vs drewbie. | ||
udgnim
United States8024 Posts
MVP hasn't won anything since 4/9/2011 when he won the GSL World Championship and he hasn't had a deep run in a GSL since then, so that is almost a 4 month period of not producing any good results. MMA won the last MLG and placed second in the GSL Super Tournament which occurred 6/8/2011. so he's obviously going to get more hype due to producing more recent results. DRG has been coming through for his team as the ace player in GSTL. he won LG Cinema 3D tournament on 6/18/2011. he's been hyped as won of the best Zergs in Korea despite his Code B status. basically the hype around MVP has had 4 months to simmer down while the hype around DRG & MMA is more of a boil. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:19 udgnim wrote: here are the reasons why MVP got less cheers than MMA and DRG MVP hasn't won anything since 4/9/2011 when he won the GSL World Championship and he hasn't had a deep run in a GSL since then, so that is almost a 4 month period of not producing any good results. MMA won the last MLG and placed second in the GSL Super Tournament which occurred 6/8/2011. so he's obviously going to get more hype due to producing more recent results. DRG has been coming through for his team as the ace player in GSTL. he won LG Cinema 3D tournament on 6/18/2011. he's been hyped as won of the best Zergs in Korea despite his Code B status. basically the hype around MVP has had 4 months to simmer down while the hype around DRG & MMA is more of a boil. Don't forget the fact that QXC beat him in GSTL. That kinda took away from the mystique that these players tend to hold. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
Yes, Huk is a favorite compared to Ganzi, but he won fair and square. Guess it can't be called a sport if you don't have fans that lose interest when their favorite teams are knocked out of the playoffs. I don't think you can do anything about that. The whole fairness about inserting Koreans into pool play is a totally different discussion entirely. I won't touch that. And I totally understand that not everyone will be 100% in tune with the hardcore community that knows all the players and tournaments. COD... yeah, I feel bad for those players. I know what it's like to have a competitive community that's tiny compared to the player base. Even the play area was sparse. And yes, MOAR CHAIRS PLZ. Holy shit, I only attended maybe half the event because I got fatigued and went somewhere else to chill. I don't care if all there is to do is watch. That's what I came for. But when the delays between matches are soooo long I would expect more to do too. Maybe free-play areas where you can play some SC2. My friend brought his PS3 controller to play some COD. There was 1 area at the Alienware hummer and 2 laptops at the Dr Pepper booth. They could add a small play area. I doubt this will happen though. I'd rather they minimize the downtime. I need to stress MOAR CHAIRS and LESS DOWNTIME. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:23 Dubzex wrote: Don't forget the fact that QXC beat him in GSTL. That kinda took away from the mystique that these players tend to hold. As per the OP, the problem is that people don't really know at all who MVP is. That he dropped a game to a foreigner should actually help him, not hurt him - at least he's a face and a name to the few people who follow the foreigner scene enough to know qxc but not MVP. The "korean mystique" is the problem - they are just faceless strong players, without the language skills or reputation in the foreigner scene to create the drama that really gets people caring about everything. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:09 darmousseh wrote: No I didn't say "no koreans" I said "less koreans". I think choosing koreans based on their popularity would be better than choosing them based on their skill. MVP completely decimated TvT and it was boring to watch. Remember this is a fan's perspective. If I was a competitor I would probably think otherwise. I disagree. MVP didn't completely decimated TvT and was actually behind against BoxeR in game 1 but BoxeR made a mistake and gave the game away due to sloppyness and false decisions. I actually would prefer to have more Koreans just because most of the players (the top ones) want to compete with the best. Do you think Huk or Naniwa would be satisfied with a win if they knew the competition wasn't really there? They WANT to beat those super strong players.... so, just no. If the Koreans are better, get more of them to the tourneys and make foreigners step up their game. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
They couldn't bring more chairs in they reached the safety max. If you go to a MLG event to watch Starcraft then you're probably going to watch Starcraft, should of brought your own entertainment outside of interacting with people. If you're going to complain about foreigners losing then that's their fault what are MLG supposed to do? "Well Mr Korean seeing as your so good we've decided that you should play 1-0 down" There's some legitimate whine but a lot of pointless. Also limit the Koreans allowed in pool play to 4? You want to PUNISH them for being BETTER than everyone else? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:27 cz wrote: As per the OP, the problem is that people don't really know at all who MVP is. That he dropped a game to a foreigner should actually help him, not hurt him - at least he's a face and a name to the few people who follow the foreigner scene enough to know qxc but not MVP. The "korean mystique" is the problem - they are just faceless strong players, without the language skills or reputation in the foreigner scene to create the drama that really gets people caring about everything. That's not true at all I think. How do people not know who a 2 time GSL winner is? I don't know why, but MVP has never gotten that much attention. Even at the GSL finals against MKP, MKP had many more fans even though MVP was by far the superior player in every aspect. If I had to guess I think it would be because he lacks the charisma of MC, and he isn't sort of the "zerg hope" like nestea is since there are so many koreans. I don't really know why MMA got more fans, but it probably has to do with being the son of boxer. | ||
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jakechen
United States17 Posts
1) Who would sponsor that? Deviating in any way from "may the best gamer win" would be counter to the incentives companies have to sponsor such a tournament, and it would also... gah I'm going to say it: + Show Spoiler + Hurt ESPORTS! 2) Who would cheer for that? Why do you like seeing your favorite player win? I like seeing my favorite player win because it means they're the best, and I'm proud of them! If my favorite player won just because they weren't facing the best opponents, that would take most of the fun and pride out of it for me, as a fan. Maybe people weren't cheering for the Koreans as much, but that doesn't mean that they'd have cheered for seeing their favorite players get an unfair advantage. Sports fans can sometimes have a sense of sportsmanship also! 3) Who would play in that? Gamers are trying to build their careers and reputations by winning titles that mean something. As in, "I am the 6th best player in the world! These are my credentials." Once the tournament trophies don't really mean "best", they become less meaningful. The prize pool would need to get a LOT bigger in order for it to remain worthwhile for career-gamers to practice for and compete in such a tournament. Which gets us back to #1: Who would sponsor that? 4) Solution? If fans want to see their favorite players play each other, maybe they could start a fundraiser to invest in that show match themselves. There could be a profit in that, but I suspect it would require a lot of initial $$$$$ to get the ball rolling. After all, the main attraction to players would be the money, and not prestige. But still, in my opinion, creating a competition which is essentially a popularity contest does little (if anything) to foster, inspire, or promote talent. It may not be actively + Show Spoiler + hurting ESPORTS! NOT hurt ESPORTS! | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On August 02 2011 07:47 Itsmedudeman wrote: That's not true at all I think. How do people not know who a 2 time GSL winner is? I don't know why, but MVP has never gotten that much attention. Even at the GSL finals against MKP, MKP had many more fans even though MVP was by far the superior player in every aspect. If I had to guess I think it would be because he lacks the charisma of MC, and he isn't sort of the "zerg hope" like nestea is since there are so many koreans. I don't really know why MMA got more fans, but it probably has to do with being the son of boxer. Read the OP from the guy who was there and talking to people around him in the stands - the people there are not big SC2 fans for the most part, they probably don't even know what the GSL is. There are hardcore teamliquid-type people out there, but they are the minority, not the majority. I wasn't there but I'm getting the feeling that the majority of fans don't know much at all - they probably came because they have a friend who wanted to go or something, and they know a bit about esports such as who boxer is and maybe who won the last MLG, but that seems to be about it. From the OP Most people know very little about sc2 at all and barely keep up with the scene, but they still watch it. The majority of people here on tl know who mvp is, etc, but the majority there don't. If it's truly going to go mainstream, this needs to change. | ||
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
I think the Korean invites are what boosted MLG's attendance and hype. The foreigners don't have a lot of chances to play with the Koreans so it's a great exchange program to see how they perform against each other; or I guess if Koreans can be beat. If HuK won with the Koreans present it would have been great but if HuK won without them then it wouldn't be as great. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On August 02 2011 08:01 cz wrote: Read the OP from the guy who was there and talking to people around him in the stands - the people there are not big SC2 fans for the most part, they probably don't even know what the GSL is. There are hardcore teamliquid-type people out there, but they are the minority, not the majority. I wasn't there but I'm getting the feeling that the majority of fans don't know much at all - they probably came because they have a friend who wanted to go or something, and they know a bit about esports such as who boxer is and maybe who won the last MLG, but that seems to be about it. From the OP I would say like 90% know who day9 is, 75% know husky, and maybe 20% knew who MVP was. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
Did I mention that there weren't enough chairs? Seriously. I will never go to another mlg event unless they have more chairs. Lol still? I guess MLG's mostly talk and not a lot of action. They've been saying they'll bring more chairs every MLG. (granted, the fact that they've been saying it every MLG probably should've clued me in) | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On August 02 2011 06:35 darmousseh wrote: 9. The majority of people here on tl know who mvp is, etc, but the majority there don't. If it's truly going to go mainstream, this needs to change. 10. Limit the # of koreans in pool play to 4. I would almost say no koreans but people were cheering hard for boxer and donraegu, but almost no one was cheering for MVP. Yes, you might want to see the BEST players in the world, but as fans, I want to see the best players I know that can create a storyline. Seems like you should take your own advice about learning more about the players. Personally, I want to see the best of the best compete. Foreigners should step their game up. I don't want to watch sub-optimal play just because there is some rivalry/drama. Also, by having Koreans in the tournament, it makes it more epic when a foreigner does well. If a foreigner wins a tournament but doesn't have to beat any Koreans, it just doesn't feel like a real win to me. That's what made HuKs wins at DH and HSC so amazing. He had to take down top Koreans to win it all. | ||
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