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sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 23:21:35
July 07 2011 05:14 GMT
#1
Update: Race switched to T

Hey guys!

As a guy who just started playing BW competitively on iccup (still haven't really played any games yet) I was wondering what the first steps are on becoming at least good.

Here's my iCCup profile, as you can see I have 1000 points, D, and haven't played any games yet.

So where do I start?

I don't really understand the game at all, and don't have any build orders or anything, though I tried looking some up but didn't really get any good standard ones. I play Z (UPDATE, NOW T), btw.

Thanks to any and all help, I know it must be hard because I probably explained this rather badly :<

sTsCompleted

Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
July 07 2011 05:16 GMT
#2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236749
^ EleGant[AoV] (one of the more prominent members of the BW foreign community) has been maintaining that thread and is still writing a 30+ page guide with VODs, but that's a good start.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 05:17:06
July 07 2011 05:16 GMT
#3
On July 07 2011 14:16 Game wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236749
^ EleGant[AoV] (one of the more prominent members of the BW foreign community) has been maintaining that thread and is still writing a 30+ page guide with VODs, but that's a good start.


thanks ^^

is exactly the kind of thing i'm looking for :D
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
July 07 2011 05:20 GMT
#4
Also, what race do you play?
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 07 2011 05:23 GMT
#5
On July 07 2011 14:20 Game wrote:
Also, what race do you play?


says in OP, Z
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 05:29:48
July 07 2011 05:25 GMT
#6
On July 07 2011 14:23 Completley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 14:20 Game wrote:
Also, what race do you play?


says in OP, Z


My apologies, once you get used to the basic mechanics start testing out the very easy to watch and learn FPVods by Ahzz build orders, an old tier 2 foreigner. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=92347
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
vexyz
Profile Joined July 2011
96 Posts
July 07 2011 05:27 GMT
#7
You could start practicing build orders from liquipedia or the bw strategy forums against computers until you have it down.
Find/practice with practice partners/friends around your level or a bit better.
Also watching some VODs of progamers wouldnt hurt.
<3
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 07 2011 05:30 GMT
#8
Hey, I'm new too. I've been a bit busy and thus haven't played much but if you ever want to practice, hit me up.

I'm T ;D
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
July 07 2011 05:31 GMT
#9
I am new(erish) but still terrible!
We can play sometime
I am P (or T, havn't decided)
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 07 2011 05:34 GMT
#10
On July 07 2011 14:30 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hey, I'm new too. I've been a bit busy and thus haven't played much but if you ever want to practice, hit me up.

I'm T ;D


a chance to pratice with the famed Torte de Lini in which I see posts in every single freaking thread ever?
YES

Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 07 2011 05:42 GMT
#11
Uh... famed? Not sure about that, but nonetheless~

Happy birthday by the way ;D! I'll let you win tomorrow lololol (as if I could achieve actually playing coherently).

Warning, I am absolutely atrocious.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 07 2011 05:43 GMT
#12
On July 07 2011 14:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
Uh... famed? Not sure about that, but nonetheless~

Happy birthday by the way ;D! I'll let you win tomorrow lololol (as if I could achieve actually playing coherently).

Warning, I am absolutely atrocious.


ahaha :D

If you're atrocious then I'm... an adjective worse than that ;P
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 07 2011 05:47 GMT
#13
You've played competitively before. I've maybe played 100 games casually (when I was switching between WC3 and BW) and 20 with the AI learning one build~
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Korinai
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada413 Posts
July 07 2011 06:00 GMT
#14
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Zerg_Strategy
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 06:05:54
July 07 2011 06:04 GMT
#15
1. Unit counters (play a couple games and try out different units)
and
2. Macro hard (build lots of scvs, expand, make tons of units, send your units to a fight, and try to get back to your base as quickly as possible, even missing the battle, to build more units)

You'll want to make games titled something like (D-/E Python) (or any other 3+ player map to reduce the chance of rushes). If you join games that say "D/D-/D+" you'll get trounced, but if you make them, you can boot anyone with a high ranking.

I find that most players don't rush though, I tend to be the rusher.

Happy Birthday!

edit: it's also faster to make games than it is to join them.

edit: what's your general skill level? Do you use hotkeys?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 07 2011 06:07 GMT
#16
On July 07 2011 14:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
You've played competitively before. I've maybe played 100 games casually (when I was switching between WC3 and BW) and 20 with the AI learning one build~


yeah, because you spend all your time on TL
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 07 2011 06:11 GMT
#17
On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
1. Unit counters (play a couple games and try out different units)


Will do, thanks.

On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
2. Macro hard (build lots of scvs, expand, make tons of units, send your units to a fight, and try to get back to your base as quickly as possible, even missing the battle, to build more units)


I try, not too well apparently

On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
You'll want to make games titled something like (D-/E Python) (or any other 3+ player map to reduce the chance of rushes). If you join games that say "D/D-/D+" you'll get trounced, but if you make them, you can boot anyone with a high ranking.


Yeah, I do make them. That, I figured out on my own

On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
I find that most players don't rush though, I tend to be the rusher.


The only game I've played so far proxied me, so there goes your observations

On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
Happy Birthday!


Thanks ^^

On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
edit: it's also faster to make games than it is to join them.


Got that one too

On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
edit: what's your general skill level? Do you use hotkeys?


uuh, I'd say pretty intermediate. I'm bronze/silver in SC2 (keep bouncing between the two), and yeah, I use hotkeys. I know bronze/silver seems like noob, but I honestly think I'm better than that and if I put in the time I could be gold or so.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 07 2011 06:22 GMT
#18
On July 07 2011 15:07 Completley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 14:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
You've played competitively before. I've maybe played 100 games casually (when I was switching between WC3 and BW) and 20 with the AI learning one build~


yeah, because you spend all your time on TL


Something like that and I have other duties ;D
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 06:44:45
July 07 2011 06:44 GMT
#19
On July 07 2011 15:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
1. Unit counters (play a couple games and try out different units)
and
2. Macro hard (build lots of scvs, expand, make tons of units, send your units to a fight, and try to get back to your base as quickly as possible, even missing the battle, to build more units)

You'll want to make games titled something like (D-/E Python) (or any other 3+ player map to reduce the chance of rushes). If you join games that say "D/D-/D+" you'll get trounced, but if you make them, you can boot anyone with a high ranking.

I find that most players don't rush though, I tend to be the rusher.

Happy Birthday!

edit: it's also faster to make games than it is to join them.

edit: what's your general skill level? Do you use hotkeys?


Try not to think about stuff in terms of counters, just what units you want to destroy your opponent with . It's a dangerous mentality to think "oh he has made X, so I need to get Y".

Fighting spirit is MOTW right now, so you should probably play that. I'm sGs.Nazza on Iccup.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 07 2011 15:26 GMT
#20
On July 07 2011 15:44 Nazza wrote:
Fighting spirit is MOTW right now, so you should probably play that. I'm sGs.Nazza on Iccup.


I saw OP sGs on there, so I assume you're pretty damn good
I'll add you :D
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