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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 28 2011 22:40 GMT
#1
These are my thoughts on six common terms/ideas that are integral to Starcraft. I don’t know who my target audience is and I’m not even saying anything controversial. I just like talking about starcraft. This can defiantly help lower level players but I would love to engage with higher level players about these terms and ideas.

Scouting

What a simple word. But what does it mean?

[image loading]
Observer says: “I see what your doing there.”

The only thing you should be interested in when scouting is what your opponent is doing. What a broad thing to say. Look out for these things:
  • how many geysers does he have?
  • when did he get them?
  • what unit producing structures does he have?
  • what upgrade/tech facilities does he have?
  • what does his standing army look like?
  • where is his standing army?
  • where/when did he expand?
One sees many lower level players “scouting” without trying to answer these questions. The purpose of scouting is to find out what your opponent is doing. And thus translate this knowledge through your star-sense section of your brain to determine how to survive their intended cause of your death, and how to sharpen your intended death delivery for efficiency. If you can always answer all those questions you will have more than enough information to win every game.

While playing it is essential to know what your opponent is doing and do not allow your opponent to know what you are doing.
It is really common for people to cancel tech buildings (mostly as protoss) when they are scouted/scanned and take a different rout. They are anticipating the opponent to counter what they saw and countering the counter to that counter.

Macro

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you don’t need this many.

The number one advice given ever. But what does it mean? My personal definition of macro is something to the effect of:
“To optimally utilize unit producing structures.”
What a broad thing to say. What does this encompass?
Well in order to optimally utilize unit-producing structures one must be collecting resources at an optimal rate. So have all your miners mining where they will be the most useful. Lots of cool people have done awesome guides on things like this.

Pairing
Optimal saturation
Zerg <3 Sheth

To optimally use unit-producing structures one must be constantly producing out of all of them (potentially nexus/command center excluded). This means do not have down time on your barracks or gateways or have larva sitting around forever. If you have too many minerals(or queued up units); you have too few unit producing structures. If you have idle unit producing structures; you have too many and cant afford them. If your unit producing structures are unable to perform because of supply block; you didn’t plan ahead/don’t have enough money to produce constantly and build pylons/supply depots/overlords. If you have tonnes of gas and not enough minerals; you took your geysers to early and lost out on minerals you could be using.

So basically perfect macro is always having “just enough” supply, “just enough” minerals, “just enough” gas and no idle buildings.
Basically get the most out of your resources.

Constantly Produce SCVs/Probes

Something we always see zerg dealing with is larva management. Because they do not have different unit producing structures one is not always reserved for worker production.
Thus they “cut” drone production to produce other units in mass.
One must know that good players of other races also “cut” worker production at very specific times. These times will optimally correlate to “Timing attacks”


Check out how he stops making probes and also how he saves chronoboosts around 40:00.

Knowing how many probes you will need to reach your desired attack and support it is essential knowledge often looked over in build orders. The minerals spent on additional probes can be used immediately in strengthening your attack.

If you are planning an attack to win the game all your resources would ideally be utilized to strengthen it.
Spamming “3 ee” during a game deciding battle and not having enough resources to warp in reinforcements is bad.

The ideology here is that you need to make enough workers to achieve what you want to achieve. With the exception of certain game changing stratagies, your going to want to be constantly producing workers for a long time if you plan on being on more than 2 bases.

Timing attack

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One of the most over used terms in starcraft ever. Second maybe to metagame. A timing attack is attacking at a specific time. This is when something you have just done will give you an advantage. Because it won’t give you an advantage forever using this “thing” you have just done to inflict damage before you opponent “catches up” is doing a timing attack.

Good example: +1 attack and charge are aligned to finish at the same time. You’re halfway to his base when this happens and proceed to attack immediately.

Lets create an arbitrary measurement of unit value to help me explain my understanding of timing attacks. This measurement is basically “how good is my army” including upgrades abilities researched etc etc. Both you and your opponents will generally be having a steadily increasing “goodness” of your army.

Lets do a case study. You get one less unit producing structure than your opponent and get a “tech” building which will grant you an “upgrade”. Very arbitrary stick with me.

[image loading]

Your opponent’s army (red) grows faster than yours (blue). Therefore its goodness increases faster. When your upgrade finishes the goodness of your army instantly takes a jump. Ideally like the situation depicted in the graph your goodness will be gooder than your opponents. Because he is still gaining on you, ensure your meeting at the highest goodness differential in your favour by attacking immediately after the upgrade finishes. And as a necessity before the red line catches back up.

You don’t know when his goodness will take a sudden jump or increase its curve dramatically. Thus its important to attack when you know your goodness just took a big step up. This is what a timing attack is. Other examples include capitalizing on when you know your opponent’s goodness has been slow to increase lately (i.e. they take an expansion), or when you know they cannot have taken a certain jump yet (i.e. before stim).

ESPORTS

It’s awesome stop hurting it guys.

Metagame

With attempts to not pain any moderatetemperatures or people named Metagame I seek to justify my use of this term here.
I will argue that anticipating a commonly used tactic is outside of the normal rules of the game and can lead to altering your decision-making.
I want to talk about abusing these expectations.

Perfect example right now is PvZ.
Protoss forge fast expands, zerg is probably going to do a heavy roach ling attack.
Protoss knows this and gets extra cannons/walls in/is scared its coming.
A zerg player seeing a FFE can “gamble” off the opponent’s expectation that this is coming and just drone like a fiend while taking a third and fourth, denying scouting.

It is important for new players to acknowledge this “mind game” and how it plays into the metagame standard strategies of the time.
One must constantly be anticipating what their opponent is going to do and simultaneously be misdirecting the opponent’s expectations.


That is all. I want to talk about these things/misconceptions so feel free to ridicule and criticize to spark discussion.


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caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
June 28 2011 22:45 GMT
#2
5 stars mofo!

1 for the Barracks picture
1 for the "goodness" graph
1 for the paragraph about ESPORTS
1 for Day9
1 for your general explanation of timing attacks
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 23:07:15
June 28 2011 23:05 GMT
#3
Nice post! 5 stars:

1 for the Barracks picture
4 for the use of the word "gooder"

You say lots of good, reasonable things and sound like you know what you're talking about. Doesn't get better than that.

edit. Too bad your title doesn't have more flair - its definitely worth reading.
1, eh? 2, eh? 3, eh?
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 28 2011 23:12 GMT
#4
I am simply astounded.

As a premier Barracksologist, and an authority on the social patterns of Barracks, it's common knowledge that Barracks in the wild tend to congregate in small to medium-sized groups (or "gaggles", if you prefer the scientific term), which can range from between three to nine members. But this.... This is incredible. Never have I seen such a massive congregation of wild Barracks before; I can barely count them all myself in the photograph you have provided for study, Mr. ComaDose. What a truly amazing find, I say! This will make it onto the cover of National Terranographic magazine for sure, and perhaps allow my colleagues and myself some valuable insight into the herding patterns of the Barracks.

I salute you, good sir. We'll put our future grant money to good use...
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
June 28 2011 23:27 GMT
#5
5 Stars for striking through the word "metagame".
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 28 2011 23:33 GMT
#6
On June 29 2011 08:12 Aeres wrote:
I am simply astounded.

As a premier Barracksologist, and an authority on the social patterns of Barracks, it's common knowledge that Barracks in the wild tend to congregate in small to medium-sized groups (or "gaggles", if you prefer the scientific term), which can range from between three to nine members. But this.... This is incredible. Never have I seen such a massive congregation of wild Barracks before; I can barely count them all myself in the photograph you have provided for study, Mr. ComaDose. What a truly amazing find, I say! This will make it onto the cover of National Terranographic magazine for sure, and perhaps allow my colleagues and myself some valuable insight into the herding patterns of the Barracks.

I salute you, good sir. We'll put our future grant money to good use...


Wow, this post is SO awesome. My favourite post of the month right here!
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 00:10:31
June 28 2011 23:39 GMT
#7
On June 29 2011 08:12 Aeres wrote:
I am simply astounded.

As a premier Barracksologist, and an authority on the social patterns of Barracks, it's common knowledge that Barracks in the wild tend to congregate in small to medium-sized groups (or "gaggles", if you prefer the scientific term), which can range from between three to nine members. But this.... This is incredible. Never have I seen such a massive congregation of wild Barracks before; I can barely count them all myself in the photograph you have provided for study, Mr. ComaDose. What a truly amazing find, I say! This will make it onto the cover of National Terranographic magazine for sure, and perhaps allow my colleagues and myself some valuable insight into the herding patterns of the Barracks.

I salute you, good sir. We'll put our future grant money to good use...


I have actually been putting together a documentary on just this phenomenon.

Barracks are known to congregate with one another in large masses in order to mate.

First, the barracks all get together and start to mingle. The mating ritual tends to start with some drinks. Those who have witnessed the start of the event have reported hearing the barracks communicate in their animal tongue...

"Been waitin' on you."

"Ohhh, it's on."

"First round's on me."

We believe they are drinking some sort of afrodisiac, but we cannot be certain. This is but a short step, and as the barracks become more comfortable around one another they begin to get even closer...

"Baby, if I could rearrange the alphabet, I'd put U and I together..."

"Actually, that IS a grenade in my pants."

"Gotta WHOLE lotta love!"

It is at this stage, pictured above, that the barracks come together closer than they will at any moment throughout the ritual...

"You gonna give me orders?"

"Blow them all to hell!"

"I'm all about that."

The barracks work themselves into a state until they reach the pinnacle of the ritual. It has been witnessed as quite a torrid affair, though no video documentation has yet caught the event...

"Its getting too hot!"

"The only thing you should feel when you shoot someone...is the recoil."

"Thank you, sir! May I have another!"

The mating ritual is not a light affair, and when it is complete the barracks - tired and in need of rest - float off back to their gaggles where they will hunt, eat and sleep until next mating season.
1, eh? 2, eh? 3, eh?
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 28 2011 23:45 GMT
#8
On June 29 2011 08:12 Aeres wrote:
I am simply astounded.

As a premier Barracksologist, and an authority on the social patterns of Barracks, it's common knowledge that Barracks in the wild tend to congregate in small to medium-sized groups (or "gaggles", if you prefer the scientific term), which can range from between three to nine members. But this.... This is incredible. Never have I seen such a massive congregation of wild Barracks before; I can barely count them all myself in the photograph you have provided for study, Mr. ComaDose. What a truly amazing find, I say! This will make it onto the cover of National Terranographic magazine for sure, and perhaps allow my colleagues and myself some valuable insight into the herding patterns of the Barracks.

I salute you, good sir. We'll put our future grant money to good use...

This gaggle was photographed from a low orbit satellite intelligence transponder shortly after the "shattering" of the temple you can just make out under this gaggle. It is believed that the shattering released high yield minerals which the barracks are naturally attracted to for sustenance. Gaggles from all over the planet congregated in a massive feast orgy. I cannot take credit for the photograph as it was shamelessly stolen off the internet. Although it is the source of 2 of the stars i have received.
Good luck with your research.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 28 2011 23:50 GMT
#9
Indeed? Truly a fascinating phenomenon. It is regrettable that your photograph was not in fact taken by yourself, as acquiring the permissions needed to use such an image will be tedious work. Nevertheless, you present a plausible theory. This is something I must investigate with all haste!

Come, Sir Gnial! I'm hiring your documentary crew as of this instant! Let's be off to make history, and become heroes in the Barracksologist community!
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
June 29 2011 00:09 GMT
#10
On June 29 2011 08:50 Aeres wrote:
Indeed? Truly a fascinating phenomenon. It is regrettable that your photograph was not in fact taken by yourself, as acquiring the permissions needed to use such an image will be tedious work. Nevertheless, you present a plausible theory. This is something I must investigate with all haste!

Come, Sir Gnial! I'm hiring your documentary crew as of this instant! Let's be off to make history, and become heroes in the Barracksologist community!


Aye aye, we will be there! We shall uncover the mysteries of these creatures, and many more!
1, eh? 2, eh? 3, eh?
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 29 2011 00:09 GMT
#11
I would like to make an investment to get this project off the ground. I wish to make a cheque out to the Aeres foundation to the tune of 8 billion internets. I believe everything should be in order, I can make the transfer on the next working day.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 29 2011 00:14 GMT
#12
I do believe that this thread was successfully derailed. :D
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 29 2011 00:20 GMT
#13
Indeed sir it would appear so.
Shame really if you prefer to consent to my bias opinion.
But it is still a good day for the research of barracks.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 29 2011 03:45 GMT
#14
On June 29 2011 08:05 Gnial wrote:
[...]

You say lots of good, reasonable things and sound like you know what you're talking about. Doesn't get better than that.

edit. Too bad your title doesn't have more flair - its definitely worth reading.


Thanks!
Im going to name my next blog "girls sex starcraft guns drugs"
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
June 29 2011 16:09 GMT
#15
On June 29 2011 12:45 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 08:05 Gnial wrote:
[...]

You say lots of good, reasonable things and sound like you know what you're talking about. Doesn't get better than that.

edit. Too bad your title doesn't have more flair - its definitely worth reading.


Thanks!
Im going to name my next blog "girls sex starcraft guns drugs"


I'd read that in a second.
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