• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:44
CEST 15:44
KST 22:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting3[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent6Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)70Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) The New Patch Killed Mech! TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Tenacious Turtle Tussle WardiTV Mondays SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions BSL Season 21 Whose hotkey signature is this? Any rep analyzer that shows resources situation?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal B What should Snow play on Roaring Currents? [ASL20] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1120 users

Who needs promotions ...

Blogs > p4NDemik
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 20:41:20
June 27 2011 20:40 GMT
#1
So I've been laddering more than I ever have before this last week, and while is has been interrupted here and there by B.net issues, I've moved up to the upper echelon of Platinum, am now beating Diamond players regularly and have thus been expecting a promotion for a little while now. Ever since I started to get matched up against Diamonds I've grown edgy while laddering waiting for the promotion and the situation with B.net has just aggravated it more.

I normally make a habit of gging all the time but I started to slip in frustration after cannon rushes/4-gates/ZvZ all-ins, etc. (I don't lose much in ZvT so when I do I always type gg - no complaints with that matchup when you're winning 80%)

Then yesterday and today I played two games, one loss and one win that just made me step back and enjoy the games for what they are instead of stressing about promotion. One was a grueling 45 minute affair where a terran got the best of me, the second was a 31 minute game I thought I was going to lose for sure but managed to pull out by the skin of my teeth. I'm 100% positive a month ago I would have just lost the second game after I had my 4th and 5th destroyed but somehow I won.

If you think you'll enjoy mid-to low diamond level play you might like these games:
(Z)p4NDemik vs (T)Chris on Backwater Gulch
(Z)p4NDemik vs (P)redalert on Metalopolis

Basically I just want to say to all the guys grinding through ladder, enjoy your games and don't take the losses too hard because you'll have games like this where you can really feel the improvement, which is loads more satisfying than any promotion the ladder systematically gives you.

****
Moderator
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 27 2011 20:45 GMT
#2
These eye opening moments are great.
I wish i cared less about my rank. (platinum too)
i honestly have done at least 3 times as many custom 1v1 games as ladder games.
i remember it's important to be able to enjoy the game.
and u also remind me to measure my improvement against myself as opposed to the ladder.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 20:51:36
June 27 2011 20:47 GMT
#3
I am in platinum and I dont give a fuck about promotions. Since I am not going pro there is no other reason to play other than for fun, consequentially ladder does not really matter to me. Its just a good way to get people to play with. Have to point out I play very little (I watch SCII WAY MORE than I actually play it).

I guess what im saying is just have fun if you are not trying to go pro.
My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
June 27 2011 20:47 GMT
#4
And here I was thinking you were a super bw diehard who wouldnt touch sc2 with a 10 foot pole. :D Your advice is good too. I had a period of about a week recently where I could only play a few games a day cuz I kept tilting mad hard. Was weird since I was always fine with losses before that and it just came out of nowhere. I used Tyler's catch phrase so now I'm fine again. ^^

Gonna watch your ZvP because its not fun to watch the hero of a match lose. >_>
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
June 27 2011 20:55 GMT
#5
If you ever need some help making that push up a league feel free to message me and I can give you a few pointers.

Dalguno.707
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
June 27 2011 21:03 GMT
#6
I'm surprised you didn't get angry in the first game. To be honest, I would have gotten pretty pissed. I need to stop getting tilted though t.t How many games do you have on ladder?
u gotta sk8
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 21:13:41
June 27 2011 21:09 GMT
#7
It is hard to enjoy Sc2 TvP.

TvZ and TvT are ok but when i get matched with a protoss i know it will be a really shitty game.
It is either him failing a 4 gate or dt rush and being owned by stim and if he plays standard i get destroyed by his ht / collo tech even if have a 30 supply lead.
So i guess thinking about the promotion can't be worse.

Forget TvP and think about the shiny master star.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
June 27 2011 21:16 GMT
#8
On June 28 2011 06:03 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I'm surprised you didn't get angry in the first game. To be honest, I would have gotten pretty pissed. I need to stop getting tilted though t.t How many games do you have on ladder?

I got frustrated but I knew I had the advantage at some points and tossed it away through my own fault. I did vent a bit in the Cincinnati chat after, but had to admit in game it was a gg.

This season I've played like 100 1v1 games, like at least 50 of those in the last week. I had never mass gamed like that and it started to get to me. Overall including all seasons, I've probably played like 250 1v1s.
Moderator
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 27 2011 21:25 GMT
#9
It took a while but i feel the same way ganjamster does about now. I played for a while in the first season, got to diamond when there was no master/GM and then i had to stop for a while cuz of school. So i was always nervous to play again becuase i wanted to get to masters but i did not even think i could stay in diamond. So i ended up playing a ton of 4v4 and other fun games so i would not stress, but i am starting to get back into 1v1 again. I have been able to win a few of them but i have had some pretty horrible losses as well. The thing is, i really do not care anymore. I still take games too seriously, but i know that ladder means nothing (almost) and i just want to play my best now. This also makes it easier to play more because i do not get nervous.

GL and i hope i can play you on the ladder. I am mid/high diamond, NA with the name FieLd.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
June 27 2011 21:29 GMT
#10
As a player in mid platinum, I am the same way. Some days I just mass game, other days I play 1-5 games a week. I do get angry at some losses, but then I play the next game with vengeance in mind and usually squeek out the win and then call it quits for the night. I like ending on a positive note instead of playing until you lose a game.

I find the majority of my games go on for a long time as well, depending on how aggressive my opponent is (I am a bit too passive at times). I enjoy the game though and I could careless about being in platinum or grand masters, I play for fun most of the time, but do have the emotional losses where I beat myself up mentally for making a dumb mistake. I agree with playing for fun and enjoying the game is the best way to go about ladder.
Brood War forever!
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 27 2011 21:47 GMT
#11
I never feel like how you feel during ladder games, even custom games. I play and if I lose tremendously without even putting up a fight, I never feel appreciative or satisfied with the game.

I don't know the last time I played a match where it wasn't heavily in his favor to win or mine.
I'll check out your games, I need some tips.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
June 27 2011 21:48 GMT
#12
I'm only in silver. It's embarassing, but I don't care about it as much as other people do now. I reckon I should be in Gold but I find the massive amount of cheeses kinda saddening I know there are cheeses in every division, I just think lower divisions' cheeses are easier to fend off
But I still get sad when I lose, 2 or 3 losses in a row and I have to stop playing.
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
June 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#13
I wish i could say the same thing, i am also high plat and have been playing against diamonds for a while now. However, most of my losses honestly feel like my opponent is terrible but I screw up something and end up losign to dumb stuff. Very rarely do I feel like my opponent is giving me a good challenge in a long game but i kinda wish i sould play more of those.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 27 2011 22:07 GMT
#14
i wish i was less competitive tbh
i feel as if i'm not enjoying the game as much as i could be simply because i care about my rank so much, which makes me sad

it just makes me even more angry whenever i lose to stupid shit like mass speedling or failed base trades
<.<
lalala
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:13:56
June 27 2011 22:13 GMT
#15
Promotion and MMR being hidden is the reason that I would prefer an iCCup style ladder so much more than this Bnet crap... bnet turns skill ratings and levels of play into something that is hidden and almost arbitrary. On iCCup you would always know exactly where you were and how far you were from your goal. It's ridiculous to know that you're at a certain level and have the system refuse to acknowledge it. It's ironic that bnet was designed to make casual players feel better about themselves--at the expense that people are annoyed and frustrated while laddering.
6581
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1770 Posts
June 27 2011 22:17 GMT
#16
hm, I am in diamond without playing more than 50 SC2 games in total, and about 30 of them being ladder games, I always got promoted after a couple of games, even when I lost some of them, idk, but I think the more games you already had, the harder it goes on you, the inner ranking system is probably doing that.
LML
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
June 27 2011 22:30 GMT
#17
On June 28 2011 07:07 youngminii wrote:
i wish i was less competitive tbh
i feel as if i'm not enjoying the game as much as i could be simply because i care about my rank so much, which makes me sad

it just makes me even more angry whenever i lose to stupid shit like mass speedling or failed base trades
<.<



y u no in clan

haha <3
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 23:08:55
June 27 2011 22:56 GMT
#18
On June 28 2011 06:16 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:03 DeepBlu2 wrote:
I'm surprised you didn't get angry in the first game. To be honest, I would have gotten pretty pissed. I need to stop getting tilted though t.t How many games do you have on ladder?

I got frustrated but I knew I had the advantage at some points and tossed it away through my own fault. I did vent a bit in the Cincinnati chat after, but had to admit in game it was a gg.

This season I've played like 100 1v1 games, like at least 50 of those in the last week. I had never mass gamed like that and it started to get to me. Overall including all seasons, I've probably played like 250 1v1s.

Actually strike that last part I've won like 100 1v1 games not played - damn B.net interface. No idea how many games overall I've played - overall, I'd guess around 500.
Moderator
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 23:07:03
June 27 2011 23:06 GMT
#19
On June 28 2011 07:17 LML wrote:
hm, I am in diamond without playing more than 50 SC2 games in total, and about 30 of them being ladder games, I always got promoted after a couple of games, even when I lost some of them, idk, but I think the more games you already had, the harder it goes on you, the inner ranking system is probably doing that.

I feel I have a fairly good understanding of how the ladder system works thanks to Excalibur_Z's thread and the best I can conclude is that #1) the system is waiting until my mmr settles in a certain region so it can place me in one of the tiers with a certain confidence level, and #2) B.net isn't helping matters when significant numbers of games are returning/deducting no points (I don't know if it is effecting MMR but I'm guessing not).

Regardless I gave that thread my first real serious read through a few days ago and I have to say thanks to Excalibur as well as understanding how things work also has reduced the stress.
Moderator
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 27 2011 23:17 GMT
#20
On June 28 2011 07:30 TadH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 07:07 youngminii wrote:
i wish i was less competitive tbh
i feel as if i'm not enjoying the game as much as i could be simply because i care about my rank so much, which makes me sad

it just makes me even more angry whenever i lose to stupid shit like mass speedling or failed base trades
<.<



y u no in clan

haha <3


i'm in an australian clan, i don't really play much on the na server ^_^
lalala
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LiuLi Cup
11:00
46
Clem vs ClassicLIVE!
WardiTV973
RotterdaM491
Rex164
TKL 51
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 491
Rex 164
ProTech86
TKL 51
LamboSC2 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10272
Rain 3449
Horang2 1304
BeSt 1024
EffOrt 735
Mini 589
actioN 504
firebathero 453
Larva 397
Stork 380
[ Show more ]
Light 354
Hyun 239
Pusan 176
ZerO 176
Barracks 156
ggaemo 127
PianO 95
Backho 91
Sharp 78
Sea.KH 69
hero 64
JYJ63
ToSsGirL 62
Rush 60
scan(afreeca) 53
Aegong 45
Mong 42
soO 26
zelot 22
Sacsri 22
Killer 21
sas.Sziky 18
HiyA 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Bale 12
SilentControl 11
ivOry 10
Noble 10
Terrorterran 9
sorry 8
Hm[arnc] 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5588
qojqva2827
Dendi1076
XaKoH 360
XcaliburYe237
BananaSlamJamma197
syndereN157
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps282
oskar85
edward24
Other Games
olofmeister976
hiko562
B2W.Neo399
crisheroes365
Lowko302
DeMusliM286
Fuzer 81
ArmadaUGS75
Codebar4
ZerO(Twitch)1
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL6819
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 11
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3254
Upcoming Events
OSC
16m
OSC
4h 16m
MaxPax vs Gerald
Solar vs Krystianer
PAPI vs Lemon
Ryung vs Moja
Nice vs NightPhoenix
Cham vs TBD
MaNa vs TriGGeR
PiGosaur Monday
10h 16m
OSC
1d 9h
The PondCast
1d 20h
OSC
1d 22h
Wardi Open
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Safe House 2
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Safe House 2
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.