EPTFantasy GSTL Draft Guide: Season One - Page 2
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DreamScaR
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
According to that link, HuK will not be playing for oGs. So everyone better got take them off your teams and anti-teams. EDIT: HOLD THE PHONES. That list is from the last GSTL, so I'm not entirely sure if that's 100% correct. Although, it does say for Team League Season 1... | ||
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madcow305
United States152 Posts
On June 23 2011 10:47 ImmortalTofu wrote: I'm sorry... What is the problem with the anti-team picks? You are unable to lose any at all points for them for the first 5 weeks, and then you trade them out from the weekends of weeks 4-6. then trade them for something like FD, Trickster, and Check. Lyn won't be playing, Moon won't be playing, Nani and Thorzain won't be playing. The more games a player has left to play, the higher their trade value. At the end of week 6, when you HAVE to dump Nani/Thor/Lyn or risk losing big, their trade values might be highly inflated because they still have to play ALL of their games. Therefore, you might end up having to trade Nani/Thor/Lyn for MMA/Bomber/Nestea. Would you be willing to take that risk? Also, one hugely important question: The guide does not mention team trading. Can you trade your chosen team? If you can trade teams, it would be more beneficial for you to look at the schedule each week, decide on which team is probably going to win their match, then trade for that team, assuming you can. | ||
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madcow305
United States152 Posts
On June 23 2011 10:47 ImmortalTofu wrote: I'm sorry... What is the problem with the anti-team picks? You are unable to lose any at all points for them for the first 5 weeks, and then you trade them out from the weekends of weeks 4-6. then trade them for something like FD, Trickster, and Check. Lyn won't be playing, Moon won't be playing, Nani and Thorzain won't be playing. The more games a player has left to play, the higher their trade value. At the end of week 6, when you HAVE to dump Nani/Thor/Lyn or risk losing big, their trade values might be highly inflated because they still have to play ALL of their games. Therefore, you might end up having to trade Nani/Thor/Lyn for MMA/Bomber/Nestea. Would you be willing to take that risk? Also, one hugely important question: The guide does not mention team trading. Can you trade your chosen team? If you can trade teams, it would be more beneficial for you to look at the schedule each week, decide on which team is probably going to win their match, then trade for that team, assuming you can. | ||
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DonaldLee
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On June 23 2011 14:01 DonaldLee wrote: While I accept that IM is probably a no-brainer for teams, I just couldn't bring myself to reconfigure my team in such a way that I could afford the extra 2 points. As a result, I couldn't be happier about my team, but until it's all over, I'll be wondering if I should have downgraded a player or two and just picked IM. It all depends on whether the playoffs will be scored. If playoffs are scored, the points from the playoffs will be such a significant incentive that it'll be foolish to bet otherwise. If playoffs are not scored (which some BW fantasy players said aren't), there may exist some equilibrium where a cheaper team may provide better value as explained by this reader: On June 22 2011 15:29 DoomsVille wrote: Criticism: the playoffs aren't included for scoring (right?). So picking a team that wins isn't necessarily the best strategy. For example, if IM wins all of their games with scores of: 4-2 4-3 4-1 4-2 4-2 They will score: 6 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 = 20 points which cost you 8 minerals (2.5 minerals per point) On the other hand, let's say a weaker team like HoSeo wins 1 but loses the rest (with a few close series')... hypothetically something like this: 4-2 3-4 3-4 2-4 2-4 They will score: 4 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 = 6 points for only 2 minerals (3 points per mineral). So in that case they would actually be a better choice than IM. A team like HoSeo just needs to have 1 very good week (against say FXO or ZeNex?) to score roughly equally as well as IM. I wouldn't rush to get on the SlayerS or IM train. Especially not SlayerS given how hard their group is. EDIT: Should probably add you've done a ton of good work here. Keep it up! | ||
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Voronoff
United States302 Posts
Here's the players I think are interesting split up by points, in no particular order: 9: Aces + Show Spoiler +  Bomber is an incredibly good player, who isn't likely to see too much play during the group stage due to the weakness of his bracket. The only team he's particularly likely to get used against is IM, where he's most likely to get beaten after 1 or 2 wins.MVP is in a similar situation. He's more likely to play 3rd then Bomber, but I have a hard time seeing too many teams getting to him, especially when IM has shown it's ok with benching Neastea and letting MVP be ace. MVP has also been seeming a bit shaky lately, but that was also true before he went on to win his second title. Starting with Happy in the first week means he finally has another T on his team - what this means in terms of MVP's playtime is yet to be seen, but it could make him harder to snipe. MC is a strong choice. He can be fielded as both an ace and a PvP sniper, and his bracket is strong enough that either might be necessary. The drawback to him is that OGS has traditionally done poorly in the GSTL despite MC doing well.MMA has been the best performing player in the GSTL so far. Slayers has done really well in the past and they rely on MMA. The big question, though, is if his recent domination by Polt has shaken his confidence.8: Aces pt II + Show Spoiler + LosirA is the worst player at 8 points, but for that, he's still a good choice. He gets played a lot, and wins a lot. NesTea is the opposite - he may well be the best player period. However, he doesn't play, and he has a poor record in the GSTL when he does.DRG burst on to the scene last season in tremendous fashion, taking his team MVP much further than anyone though it would go. However he was stopped in the code a qualifiers in a macro game, and has yet to play a zerg in a match recorded by TLPD. This might be because his ZvZ is amazing, and the Koreans know it, or it might turn out to be his Achille's heel.Polt is coming off a tremendous win in the super tournament. He also won the recent SK Asia tournament. However, if you thought OGS was underperforming in the team league format, Prime is just that much worse. Neither Polt nor MKP seem to be able to nearly as well as they should, and the rest of the team is lackluster. If you were to pick up one of the Prime aces though, Polt is the clear choice.7: Hidden Ace? + Show Spoiler + sC is consistently good but not great, and his price reflects that. There isn't too much more to say.aLive is more interesting. He'll play every match, and might do extremely well against the lower tier players on the top tier teams. Of all the aces, he's the most likely to get an all-kill on a good team, though Losira might score one against an easier team.There is no clear choice. Any of the top players is a good choice, except MKP (who is a good player but not worth picking over Polt). SC is the only player on the list I would not consider to be a "top player". Alive, Bomber, Nestea and Polt are a bit riskier than the rest, but could potentially pay off in a big way. 6: Overrated + Show Spoiler + 5: Solid + Show Spoiler + Alicia is a steal. As the (potentially singular, certainly primary) protoss of one of the favored teams, he's going to see a lot of play. As an incredibly player, he's going to win a lot of the games he plays. All-kill potential.Despite his recent win over MVP, GanZi doesn't impress me a whole lot. However, he was a staple of Slayers in May, and did well enough that if that trend continues, he could be worth a lot of points.July, God of War, is incredibly inconsistent in SC2. That being said, he has the ability to all-kill several of the teams StarTale will be facing. He's a gamble, but one with a low risk of failing spectacularly. He just might be an inefficient use of points. GuineaPig is random and plays a lot. He's not spectacular, but will be a steady source of points.4: Your Antiteam + Show Spoiler + Avoid: Curious has an amazing record for 4 points. However, he competes with July for playtime. Made it into Code A as well.Min is the Slayers zerg. He's likely to pick up wins against teams too prepared for the ever-so-deep terran dominated lineup.GuMiho is Fou's goto guy. He will do well against the weaker teams in group two, and could take games off the better teams. He recently qualified for Code A, so hopefully we'll see him tearing it up in the individual league as well.Maka has let so many people down in the GSL after his beta hype that he is criminally underrated. I pity everyone who antiteams him.3: Hard Choices + Show Spoiler + Younghwa is sick. In a good way. Expect him to dominate in group play and do well in the playoffs. For three points, could you ask for more?RevivaL is a very good zerg at a very good price. His team would do well to rely on him rather than FruitDealer.SuperNoVa is probably the best player at 3 points. It just makes that much sadder that he probably won't see much play thanks to OGS's breadth.Keen is a great terran, if MVP decides to play him. He's their best, but them leading out with Noblesse is a bad sign.Twilight happens to be the lone Korean on FXO, which probably makes him their ace. An ace for three points can't be terrible, can it?Sage is relatively unknown, but recently beat MMA 2-0. As part of a weaker team, he may see tons of play. The two best players on his team are also protoss, though.2: Gambling Men + Show Spoiler + Ace has dominated foreign tournaments but fallen flat in Korean ones.PuMa, a former BW pro, has yet to show us what he's made of.TheStC was the best player from beta, until he went into the military. He did, however, place 2nd in two tournaments while in the military, and now he's back with OGS. If they play him, it just seems dirty to get the 4th highest ELO player for 2 points.PuzZle has crazy hype (still) from the Zotac cup. Could Zenex not suck? Stay tuned! P.S. Code A qualified.viOlet is the only good zerg at a cheap price. He's also MVP's other zerg (beside DRG) and a ZvZ sniper. He's now in Code S.Noblesse is starting out for MVP, and has played some great games. That being said, he hasn't beaten any great players, or accomplished much lately.Tails is yet another good two pointer from MVP. He played a lot in the Zotac cup and did extremely well. However, he hasn't seen much play in GSTL. He's quite likely to be a PvP sniper, though. He also recently qualified for code A.Taeja got an all-kill against Zenex. He's also done well in a couple smaller tournaments. He might only have a couple chances to play, though, as Slayers tries to avoid letting people practice only their vT.Tassadar is probably the best player on his team, and placed second in a (really) recent tournament, as well as qualifying for Code A.1: Not Exactly Filler + Show Spoiler + Tiger is starting for ST against FXO. While currently a complete unknown, that could turn him into great trade fodder as well as picking up some easy points. Or you could be stuck with someone terrible.IMHappy that you can pick up IM's second terran and starting player for a very low price. The worst that happens is you get some team points, but as a recent code A qualifier he may be pretty good.Hero might be the most picked one pointer, because he defeated DRG to qualify for Code A. He's also seen play in the last GSTL.Smart beat both MKP and Leenock recently. That's not too shabby at all.Jjun has a pretty good past score for a one pointer.Yong would be an amazing deal if he was on Zenex's official GSL roster. If he turns out to be, wow! Otherwise...SocceR is on a very, very small team and qualified for Code A recently. This is a great combination. He's not playing until later, though, which makes him better for trading, but it's unknown how much better yet.Can't wait for the first season to shake things up. This is the future of SC2! Edit: I should mention that there is not a single player who is accidentally not on this list: every player missing has been judged and found unworthy. | ||
Waxangel
United States32971 Posts
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Taryssa
United States1628 Posts
That would be sick. | ||
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pyro19
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+ Show Spoiler + Lol , jking , Sweet Guide tho | ||
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Sero
United States692 Posts
On June 22 2011 11:23 Primadog wrote: Your pro-gamer team choice should simply the answer to this question: Which team will win the GSTL? Therefore the choices can be safely narrowed down to the two previous GSTL winners - SlayerS and Incredible Miracle. TL; DR Draft: IM as your pro-gamer team. This is ridiculous. The winner isn't limited to those two teams simply because they're the previous winners, and then going on to dismiss Slayers even based on your own reasoning doesn't make sense. While some of this guide is quite useful, the rest is completely opinion; not the type of advice that should be assumed correct the way you're presenting it. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 23 2011 17:44 Sero wrote: This is ridiculous. The winner isn't limited to those two teams simply because they're the previous winners, and then going on to dismiss Slayers even based on your own reasoning doesn't make sense. While some of this guide is quite useful, the rest is completely opinion; not the type of advice that should be assumed correct the way you're presenting it. Agreed. That part of the guide should be revised to pick who you think will win, no matter what...he could say he'd personally pick IM but that shouldn't be stated as fact. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On June 23 2011 18:01 DystopiaX wrote: Agreed. That part of the guide should be revised to pick who you think will win, no matter what...he could say he'd personally pick IM but that shouldn't be stated as fact. TL;DR is designed for those who are for those whom are not interested in putting thoughts into their fantasy picks, therefore it should be the most reliable choices. I hold no reservation regarding my tl;dr suggestions and am not interested in being politically correct. A draft premier's purpose is to give informed advice on how to improve one's draft stock. This cannot be done without some subjective elements. I firmly believe that my guide, despite having such subjective elements, has strong objective backing whenever there are data available. If playoffs are scored, the most important attribute to the value of a team is their ability to make the playoffs, because of the points from the extra series played. In that case, team salary cost is a secondary concern to making a conservative bet on teams that will make the playoffs. The only responsible advice is suggesting teams whom have demonstrated success in past GSTLs. The player designations are made under best effort basis:
I will be happy to revise the guide if you can point to any substanstive weakness, but just shitting on it for having an informed opinion is trolling. | ||
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ondik
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madcow305
United States152 Posts
I received responses that you COULD in the Fantasy discussion thread, but then the OP goes and says that you should pick either IM or Slayers, regardless of whether that team is even playing that week. | ||
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Dattish
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ComaDose
Canada10349 Posts
I think ill watch closely this season and make a serious effort for the next one. There is a lot to learn. Thanks for the write up. | ||
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VGhost
United States3606 Posts
This compilation may also be useful for people. I've put together the complete records of all players through the first 3 GTSL seasons, together with charting on how they scored in the latest season compared to the previous ones. Note that this is not entirely applicable as this GTSL has an actual season while previous GTSLs were playoff-only format, but because I have the data for all three seasons I feel that it does give a good overview of the top performers. Any player not on this chart was not fielded in a previous GTSL and so I have no data on him. I use "PPC" as points-per-cost, or how much did they score before compared to their cost now. There are two columns for this, PPCL (L for latest, rating in the last GTSL) and PPCT (for Total across all three seasons). I assumed 3 points per win, which doesn't include any bonus points and so the result is that very good players appear not as good as they are in comparison to just good ones. (For instance: going 6-0 and going 6-3 generate the same basic points, but the 6-0 run will get bonus points I couldn't include easily.) I also included a "Diff" there: how does the players score in the last league compare to the overall average (indicating increased/decreased playtime and/or relative skill-level). The chart is currently sorted by overall winning percentage and then that "diff" setting. I don't know if you'll be able to sort it yourself without edit privileges: if your really want to play with it PM me and let me know. If clicking the link doesn't work, the hard URL is https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtwBOqr3iC8idFpUR1FRbVMtN01EdXhjQkdRRlR6YVE&hl=en_US&authkey=CICzv8EJ | ||
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nvs.
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