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Fantasy GSTL Draft Guide: Season One - Page 3

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andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
June 23 2011 17:14 GMT
#41
nice guide. this will help me if i decide to sub one of my players
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
June 23 2011 17:22 GMT
#42
Now we wait to see if someone does the exact opposite of this guide to get the lowest possible score.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
June 23 2011 20:24 GMT
#43
And this is why I always fail at fantasy. I just blindly pick and the rest is history. :S
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
June 23 2011 21:28 GMT
#44
Awesome guide, wish I actually noticed this before making my team. Oh well will be a great help in the future.

Only complaint I have is that my eyes can't actually spot the snipers. (No pun intended)
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 24 2011 01:18 GMT
#45
On June 23 2011 18:25 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 18:01 DystopiaX wrote:
On June 23 2011 17:44 Sero wrote:
On June 22 2011 11:23 Primadog wrote:
Your pro-gamer team choice should simply the answer to this question:
Which team will win the GSTL?

Therefore the choices can be safely narrowed down to the two previous GSTL winners - SlayerS and Incredible Miracle.

TL; DR

Draft: IM as your pro-gamer team.

This is ridiculous. The winner isn't limited to those two teams simply because they're the previous winners, and then going on to dismiss Slayers even based on your own reasoning doesn't make sense. While some of this guide is quite useful, the rest is completely opinion; not the type of advice that should be assumed correct the way you're presenting it.

Agreed. That part of the guide should be revised to pick who you think will win, no matter what...he could say he'd personally pick IM but that shouldn't be stated as fact.


TL;DR is designed for those who are for those whom are not interested in putting thoughts into their fantasy picks, therefore it should be the most reliable choices. I hold no reservation regarding my tl;dr suggestions and am not interested in being politically correct. A draft premier's purpose is to give informed advice on how to improve one's draft stock. This cannot be done without some subjective elements. I firmly believe that my guide, despite having such subjective elements, has strong objective backing whenever there are data available.

If playoffs are scored, the most important attribute to the value of a team is their ability to make the playoffs, because of the points from the extra series played. In that case, team salary cost is a secondary concern to making a conservative bet on teams that will make the playoffs. The only responsible advice is suggesting teams whom have demonstrated success in past GSTLs.

The player designations are made under best effort basis:
  • Snipers were designed through a survey (ie ctrl-F) of the discussion thread.
  • Benched players are marked only if either (1) non-playing coaches (2)cut from the team.
  • Aces are designated only if (1)consistently picked as a closer, (2)most team wins in GSTL1-3, (3) significantly higher Elo than rest of the team.


I will be happy to revise the guide if you can point to any substanstive weakness, but just shitting on it for having an informed opinion is trolling.

I'm not shitting on the guide at all; I understand the point of the TL;DR but just saying "pick who you think will win" is no harder to understand or read than "IM", which I don't think is the most helpful advice, even for a part of the guide that broad. To be clear I think it's very well written and extremely helpful, I just think that that aspect of the team picking guide (saying either Slayers or IM without explanations) is perhaps the weakest part.
pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
June 24 2011 05:26 GMT
#46
wow i picked my team for the gsl, not the gstl
fail
Graphicscolosi suck
Racoonboy
Profile Joined May 2011
South Africa7 Posts
June 25 2011 16:01 GMT
#47
hey where do u see currently how many points u have etc?
Selkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States530 Posts
June 25 2011 16:14 GMT
#48
Honestly, I made my team my fantasy team- if only I could have these players all together on a team.....

I'm going to see how that works out for me =D (Probably badly, as some of them don't actually play)
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 26 2011 00:30 GMT
#49
so the +2 trade this week is bc of fruitdealer and tester or it will always be like that?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
June 26 2011 15:25 GMT
#50
Awesome guide! I wish I had read this before I made my team willy-nilly; I now realize just how retarded some of my choices were.

Well now I know, and there's always next season!
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harhar!
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany190 Posts
June 27 2011 20:23 GMT
#51
it seems like trading is bad. i mean whats the point? the stuff with the shedule does not work, so its not really worth it unless a player shows hsi strength in other tourneys.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
June 29 2011 07:32 GMT
#52
anti-pick fruitdealer and trickster lol xD

they were already in my anti-team b4 they said they were leaving, does this mean i have to change them ? :<
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
June 29 2011 10:05 GMT
#53
No. Time to pay more attn on fantasy GSTL because of your imba antiteam.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
blah_blah
Profile Joined April 2011
346 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 03:53:30
July 02 2011 03:46 GMT
#54
On June 23 2011 18:25 Primadog wrote:
I will be happy to revise the guide if you can point to any substanstive weakness, but just shitting on it for having an informed opinion is trolling.


Your guide is mostly garbage and your logic is specious at best, exemplified by your objectively terrible advice re: anti-team picking and team picking. It reminds me of all of the multi-page articles I read during fantasy football season that are painstakingly crafted but ultimately useless because the author thinks about things the wrong way. Before you accuse me of trolling, I am willing to bet $100+ that my team will beat yours this season, or we can bet fresh starting next season. We need an escrow either way though. PM me to set terms if you really are that confident in your analysis.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
July 02 2011 08:22 GMT
#55
On July 02 2011 12:46 blah_blah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 18:25 Primadog wrote:
I will be happy to revise the guide if you can point to any substanstive weakness, but just shitting on it for having an informed opinion is trolling.


Your guide is mostly garbage and your logic is specious at best, exemplified by your objectively terrible advice re: anti-team picking and team picking. It reminds me of all of the multi-page articles I read during fantasy football season that are painstakingly crafted but ultimately useless because the author thinks about things the wrong way. Before you accuse me of trolling, I am willing to bet $100+ that my team will beat yours this season, or we can bet fresh starting next season. We need an escrow either way though. PM me to set terms if you really are that confident in your analysis.



Thanks for your constructive advice. I'll keep your advice in my future revisions.
Thank God and gunrun.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
July 02 2011 08:47 GMT
#56
On July 02 2011 12:46 blah_blah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 18:25 Primadog wrote:
I will be happy to revise the guide if you can point to any substanstive weakness, but just shitting on it for having an informed opinion is trolling.


Your guide is mostly garbage and your logic is specious at best, exemplified by your objectively terrible advice re: anti-team picking and team picking. It reminds me of all of the multi-page articles I read during fantasy football season that are painstakingly crafted but ultimately useless because the author thinks about things the wrong way. Before you accuse me of trolling, I am willing to bet $100+ that my team will beat yours this season, or we can bet fresh starting next season. We need an escrow either way though. PM me to set terms if you really are that confident in your analysis.


You're still trolling.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
blah_blah
Profile Joined April 2011
346 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 10:08:02
July 02 2011 10:06 GMT
#57
On July 02 2011 17:47 mizU wrote:You're still trolling.


You have a strange definition of trolling; I acknowledged that the OP put a lot of effort into it, but asserted that many of the core points of his analysis are fundamentally wrong. I then mentioned that I am so confident that the OPs analysis is flawed that I am willing to bet a decent sum of money on it.

Ultimately talk is cheap in fantasy sports; you should ignore most of what people say regardless, but you should basically ignore all of what people say if they are unwilling to back their theories up with money.

Just to be helpful, here are things that the OP should have (although I don't want to give away too many ideas)

1) A quantitative analysis of how important it is for low-cost players to be on a good team (it's very important, picking a player like Optikzero, who is mentioned in the OP, is worse than picking an IM player who will never ever play).
2) An analysis of aces on otherwise bad or mediocre teams, particularly accounting for the streak breaking bonus. People like DRG and sC have huge value for this reason.
3) At least some reference to the TLPD ELO rankings and the Korean GM rankings. I mean come on, there's data out there -- use it.
johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 08:03:55
July 04 2011 07:51 GMT
#58
i think its important to point out that having a lot of aces can be very harmful considering in most scenarios where a team wins the ace's will not be able to play since their mid-level guys already cleaned up (think, of players like zenio, min, and alicia all of which could see earlier play and possibly sweep the remainder of the players)

edit: Doesnt BW teams play each week in their proleague (or at the very least play throughout the week?). If so i think cuz of scheduling it makes anti-teams kind of silly. Honestly it seems hard to tell. Also when i first drafted my team i thought it would be a good idea to keep my teams less diverse since it seems that having a player pool with lots of different teams seemed counterintuitive (if ST beats fou and i have equal amounts of both i dont net much except for any point bonuses from players (but the one point accrued to all my ST players is negated by the reduction of FOU players). This led me to draft most of my players from Slayer's and Startale since i feel in each of their team pools they are the best and i only acquired one ace in the form of ST opting for bomber as my only megapoint player (man i wish i listened to all the DRG hype). OP what do you think of when selecting players that keeping the team diversity to a minimum since hedging bets isnt very rewarding in this system
fuck the haters
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 01:34:22
July 11 2011 08:35 GMT
#59
There are substantial structural changes necessary for this guide with all the new data I been collecting. Honest opinion: this was my least favorite of all of PrimeCoverage and has incurred the most subjective/incorrect elements, which displeases me significantly. But I am a bit booked at the moment, so here's some damage control:


TradeValue = ( GamesLeft * Salary / 5 + 5/9 * Score ) * GamesLeft
It's week 4. I followed your advice and built the ultimate anti-team, now get me out of this mess!


Current TradeValues
  • (T)Lyn: 25.00
  • (Z)Moon: 25.00
  • (T)ThorZaIN: 20.00
  • (P)NaNiwa: 20.00


Currently available Anti-trades for the above four players
  • (T)ThorZaIN, (P)NaNiwa only:
    • IM's Yoda - 20.27, 10pt, remaining: FXO (5), HoSeo (7), ST(10)
    • ST's Trickster - 21.42, 1pt, remaining: ZeNEX (4), HoSeo (5), fOu (9), IM (10)
    • oGs's NaDa - 21.69, 4pt, remaining: TSL (4), Prime (6), FU (8), oGs (9)
    • HoSeo's Jjakji - 21.93, 11pt, remaining: ST (5), IM (7), ZeNEX (8)
    • TSL's Killer - 22.67, 3pt, remaining: Slayers (4), FU (6), oGs (7), MVP (10)
    • IM's LosirA - 22.73, 5pt, remaining: FXO (5), HoSeo (7), ST(10)
    • HoSeo's Sage - 23.73, 11pt, remaining: ST (5), IM (7), ZeNEX (8)
    • TSL's PuMa - 24.18, 8pt, remaining: Slayers (4), FU (6), oGs (7), MVP (10)
    • Slayer's Alicia - 24.89, 4pt, remaining: TSL (4), Prime (6), FU (8), oGs (9)

  • (Z)Moon, (T)Lyn, (T)ThorZaIN, (P)NaNiwa:
    • Prime's MarineKing - 25.60, 0pt, remaining:
    • Prime's Polt - 25.60, 0pt, remaining: oGs (5), SlayerS (6), MVP (8), FU (9)
    • ST's Squirtle - 26.13, 6pt, remaining: ZeNEX (4), HoSeo (5), fOu (9), IM (10)
    • SlayerS' MMA - 28.80, 0pt, remaining: TSL (4), Prime (6), FU (8), oGs (9)
    • ST's Bomber - 31.02, 1pt, remaining: ZeNEX (4), HoSeo (5), fOu (9), IM (10)
    • MVP's DongRaeGu - 42.73, 17pt, remaining: F.United (7), Prime (8), TSL (10).


Anti-team players by team (bracketed are only tradable for Naniwa or Thorzain):
[image loading] SlayerS - MMA (Alicia)

[image loading] Incredible Miracle - (LosirA) (Yoda)

[image loading] StarTale - Squirtle Bomber (Trickster)

[image loading] Team SCV Life - (PuMa) (Killer )

[image loading] Old Generations - (NaDa )

[image loading] For Our Utopia -

[image loading] ZeNEX -

[image loading]
MVP - DongRaeGu

[image loading]
Prime - Polt MarineKing

[image loading] New Star HoSeo - (Sage) (Jjakji)

[image loading] FXOpen -

[image loading] F.United -

Based on the above information. My trade for week 4 is (P)NaNiwa for (P)YoDa, by reasoning YoDa is overvalued in points and he is on a team with only 3 games left. However, there's an substantial risk in that IM plays FXO this week and all-kill is a real possibility.

Other possibly good players are (T)Polt and (P)MarineKing, whom seems stuck in a team with very poor team-metagaming (but individually strong). Opposite of the Primes are HoSeo's (P)Sage and (T)Jjakji whom seems to be indivdually weak but has significantly overperformed as a team. They're also reasonable targets, since their remaining schedule seems to be one of the toughest in the league.
Finally, the best trade may well be be (P)TesteR, who is on a stacked (new) team. The danger of Tester is that the recent team switch may result in ST interested in testing out their newest weapons against ZeNEX this week.

Week 4-6 will be rough for those that followed my advice, and I apologize for the stress it will cause you. With a little effort and lots of luck, maybe we can all survive this with our fantasy scores in tack.
Thank God and gunrun.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 01:57:51
July 21 2011 01:29 GMT
#60
There are substantial structural changes necessary for this guide with all the new data I been collecting. Honest opinion: this was my least favorite of all of PrimeCoverage and has incurred the most subjective/incorrect elements, which displeases me significantly. But I am a bit booked at the moment, so here's some damage control:


TradeValue = ( GamesLeft * Salary / 5 + 5/9 * Score ) * GamesLeft
It's week 5. I followed your advice and built the ultimate anti-team, now get me out of this mess!


Current TradeValues
  • (T)Lyn: 25.00
  • (Z)Moon: 25.00
  • (T)ThorZaIN: 20.00
  • (P)NaNiwa: 20.00


Currently available Anti-trades for the above four players
  • (T)ThorZaIN, (P)NaNiwa only:
    • IM's (T)Yoda - 20.27, 10pt, remaining:
      FXO (5), HoSeo (7), ST(10)
    • oGs's (T)NaDa - 21.69, 4pt remaining:
      Prime (5), TSL (7), SlayerS (9), F.united (10)
    • HoSeo's (T)Jjakji - 21.93, 11pt, remaining:
      ST (5), IM (7), ZeNEX (8)
    • IM's (T)LosirA - 22.73, 5pt, remaining:
      FXO (5), HoSeo (7), ST(10)
    • HoSeo's (P)Sage - 23.73, 11pt, remaining:
      ST (5), IM (7), ZeNEX (8)

  • (Z)Moon, (T)Lyn, (T)ThorZaIN, (P)NaNiwa:
    • Prime's (P)MarineKing - 25.60, 0pt, remaining:
      oGs (5), SlayerS (6), MVP (8), FU (9)
    • Prime's (T)Polt - 25.60, 0pt, remaining:
      oGs (5), SlayerS (6), MVP (8), FU (9)
    • oGs's (P)MC - 28.80, 0pt, remaining:
      Prime (5), TSL (7), SlayerS (9), F.united (10)
    • TSL's (P)Killer - 29.00, 12pt, remaining:
      FU (6), oGs (7), MVP (10)
    • ST's (T)Bomber - 31.20, 9pt, remaining:
      HoSeo (5), fOu (9), IM (10)
    • MVP's (Z)DongRaeGu - 42.73, 17pt, remaining:
      F.United (7), Prime (8), TSL (10).


Anti-team players by team (bracketed are only tradable for Naniwa or Thorzain):
[image loading] SlayerS -

[image loading] Incredible Miracle - (LosirA) (Yoda)

[image loading] StarTale - Bomber

[image loading] Team SCV Life - Killer

[image loading] Old Generations - MC (NaDa)

[image loading] For Our Utopia -

[image loading] ZeNEX -

[image loading]
MVP - DongRaeGu

[image loading]
Prime - Polt MarineKing

[image loading] New Star HoSeo - (Sage) (Jjakji)

[image loading] FXOpen -

[image loading] F.United -

Based on the above information. My antiteam trade for week 5 is (T)Lyn for (P)MarineKing, on the ground that by next week, there will be no good alternatives for Lyn and (T)Polt has a better record against (P)MC than MarineKing. A strong alternative is (T)Jjakji/(T)Yoda for (T)ThorZaIN/(P)NaNiwa.

Week 4-6 are rough for those that followed my advice, and I apologize for the stress it will cause you. With a little effort and lots of luck, maybe we can all survive this with our fantasy scores in tack.
Thank God and gunrun.
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