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Sorry, but I have to make a rant blog once again...
I love TvT, it's a fair matchup in the sense that you can open in pretty much any way you want, and the better come ahead. Not to mention in TvT there is a lot of room for comebacks, when comparing to the snowball effect occuring in most other matchups.
TvP is still fine, if I lose in TvP I'm usually easily able to recognize my mistakes and better myself in the next game.
Then comes TvZ... I don't know what it is, but playing TvZ makes me feel like I'm walking on a wire set up between two skyscrapers. Whenever I fail to kill the zerg before he gets 4+ bases and hive tech, I lose. That's fine, I usually know what went wrong, but I can't help feeling absolutely helpless and bitter every time I lose to a late game zerg. It feels like a race against the clock, trying to push off a snowball getting bigger and bigger every second. TvZ is the only matchup where I can't muster myself up to say 'gg', because I don't feel like it. I know it's not imbalanced, but for a minute or so I'm lying in my bitterness, pain in stomach and cursing the zerg race in blind rage.
Cheers
  
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You need to do early game pressure and a lot of drops to get their drone count low so they don't roll over you in the late game. Might want to add in ghosts in the lategame too.
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Yes I do agree that Zerg becomes more and more unstoppable as the match goes on, and that must get frustrating. I don't really play 1v1 much anymore, so I wouldn't really be able to tell my experiences in the matter. But I will say that TvZ is my favorite matchup to watch D:
Best of luck in improving your TvZ.
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Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
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Check out the match between DRG and sCfOu on gomtv.net from the LG cinema finals
It showed an interesting style of "late-game" TvZ in a few games basically aiming for 3/3 marines and suiciding medivacs trying to snipe hatcheries. Hatcheries can never get armor upgrades so they die soooooooooo quickly to a single medivac full of marines (10 food and fairly disposable/replaceable lategame) and basically trying to win a war of attrition. I don't think this is the only viable style, but I think it's definitely something worth experimenting with. The power of this is that it's pretty food efficient so unlike having two packs of 15 mutalisks lategame to deal with drops, each of these drops can be very effective at sniping stuff and can reasonably be included as part of a straight up army composition as well.
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Sounds pretty much exactly like my TvZ experience so far too. I have since adopted an ultra-aggressive, always on the verge of being all-in kinda playstyle that I personally hate and that I get a lot, lot, lot of Zerg tears and cries over (which I can usually actually understand) - but that is the only way for me to keep a balanced win/loss ratio at diamond level. Macro games are out of the question for me on pretty much all maps, the huge ones especially of course.
I open 2 rax (cut workers and make both on 11 supply for maximum aggressivity), then pull 3 SCVs with the first 3 marines, use your scout as well (keep it alive if possible at all), rally constant marines, cancel his natural and then make 3 bunkers. Don't forget to set all forward SCVs on auto-repair. Then I poke up his ramp, see what I can do. If I can't win right there I will usually go for both gases and simply rush for cloaked banshees. After such an early aggressive marine push most weaker Zergs aren't prepared for that. You will need to be very careful when your contain is up, however, as they can do Nydus worms, they can mass up lings or roaches and try to break it and so on, react accordingly and do use scans frequently inside their base to see what they are up to. Also try and check for hidden expansions.
This ends games quickly, no good Zerg loses to an early 2 rax into banshees but there are enough people in high diamond and sometimes low Master league that fall for it in order to not screw up your ladder rank too much if you're good in the other two Terran match-ups. Just prepare to get flamed at every corner.
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You pretty much have to be aggressive, as most people will suggest. I don't know what league you're in, but this can be quite difficult if you find your macro slip a lot when trying to multitask. Aggressive openings are quite hard to pull off if that's the case, but it's so important to not let the zerg player do whatever he wants. As I'm sure you know, Terran usually comes out the loser out of all three races when it comes to games where both players just macro up and play passive.
Watching a lot of recent TvZs seems to further prove this point. I remember MMA vs July from MLG where MMA is doing anything he can to not only keep the pressure on July, but stop him from going over 3 bases at any point.
Now, I wouldn't suggest trying to be like MMA, as his style is quite hard to replicate, but there are still things you can learn from his aggression. One interesting note is he's not at all afraid to stay on 2 bases much longer than most top Terrans if he needs to. He'll do whatever it takes to make sure he's at least killing new expansions, creep, a few drones here and there, etc.
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I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<.
Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D.
On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol
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On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
Oh yeah, my mindset is really bad. I'm really hard trying to not be bitter but losing in TvZ late game just hits the weak spot for me... lol. I'm doing my best to still avoid it
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On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol
Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p
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I lose to a lot of terrans with what people are talking about here - constant pressure, it's my weakest matchup right now. Usually it's a big push to my main while one medivac full of marines goes to each of my expansions. Lose too many drones or queens and I just can't keep up, usually it's the queens so I end up with a ton of resources and no way to spend it. Seems to come down to who is better at multitasking.
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the BEST thing to do honestly is just to ZvT for hours and hours and hours, I started off as a zerg player and when switching to TvZ it made the matchup A LOT easier because I knew what made me rage and did just that to every zerg. imo the best way to learn a mathcup is to extensively practice it on both sides.
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On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
TvZ is really hard for both sides. Terran units work best in small numbers, so it's often advantageous to split up your army and attack multiple places at once. One of your attacking groups will get destroyed, but at least the other one will kill 15 drones.
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Ive had a lot of stories about games end in:
-and then he got broodlords.
But its so funny that we complain about each others late game.
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Thank god protoss has blink and storm, fuuuuuuu late game zerg
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On June 22 2011 02:58 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Oh yeah, my mindset is really bad. I'm really hard trying to not be bitter but losing in TvZ late game just hits the weak spot for me... lol. I'm doing my best to still avoid it
Well it seems like you care about ladder too much. Does it really matter if you lose? Personally, what makes the game enjoyable is getting better...so I just learn something from every loss and keep going. It seems that you should just not give a fuck about W/L ratio or anything like that. It will clear your mind and you would be able to improve your TvZ without a clouded judgement.
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On June 22 2011 03:08 zawk9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p
TvP is cancer.. :z
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you should go look at MMA games. he is just too good with his double drop strat. always put pressure on the zerg, force them to waste larvae on units and drones on spines/spores.
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Hey man I know how you feel. It reminds me of the days when I played Brood War as Terran. It's just the nature of the TvZ match up. You just have to find those timings when zerg is vulnerable and abuse it, because the initiative is on you to prevent his hive tech.
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Use Ghosts lategame I guess. Snipe Broodlords emp infestors.
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