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Sorry, but I have to make a rant blog once again...
I love TvT, it's a fair matchup in the sense that you can open in pretty much any way you want, and the better come ahead. Not to mention in TvT there is a lot of room for comebacks, when comparing to the snowball effect occuring in most other matchups.
TvP is still fine, if I lose in TvP I'm usually easily able to recognize my mistakes and better myself in the next game.
Then comes TvZ... I don't know what it is, but playing TvZ makes me feel like I'm walking on a wire set up between two skyscrapers. Whenever I fail to kill the zerg before he gets 4+ bases and hive tech, I lose. That's fine, I usually know what went wrong, but I can't help feeling absolutely helpless and bitter every time I lose to a late game zerg. It feels like a race against the clock, trying to push off a snowball getting bigger and bigger every second. TvZ is the only matchup where I can't muster myself up to say 'gg', because I don't feel like it. I know it's not imbalanced, but for a minute or so I'm lying in my bitterness, pain in stomach and cursing the zerg race in blind rage.
Cheers
  
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You need to do early game pressure and a lot of drops to get their drone count low so they don't roll over you in the late game. Might want to add in ghosts in the lategame too.
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Yes I do agree that Zerg becomes more and more unstoppable as the match goes on, and that must get frustrating. I don't really play 1v1 much anymore, so I wouldn't really be able to tell my experiences in the matter. But I will say that TvZ is my favorite matchup to watch D:
Best of luck in improving your TvZ.
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Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
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Check out the match between DRG and sCfOu on gomtv.net from the LG cinema finals
It showed an interesting style of "late-game" TvZ in a few games basically aiming for 3/3 marines and suiciding medivacs trying to snipe hatcheries. Hatcheries can never get armor upgrades so they die soooooooooo quickly to a single medivac full of marines (10 food and fairly disposable/replaceable lategame) and basically trying to win a war of attrition. I don't think this is the only viable style, but I think it's definitely something worth experimenting with. The power of this is that it's pretty food efficient so unlike having two packs of 15 mutalisks lategame to deal with drops, each of these drops can be very effective at sniping stuff and can reasonably be included as part of a straight up army composition as well.
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Sounds pretty much exactly like my TvZ experience so far too. I have since adopted an ultra-aggressive, always on the verge of being all-in kinda playstyle that I personally hate and that I get a lot, lot, lot of Zerg tears and cries over (which I can usually actually understand) - but that is the only way for me to keep a balanced win/loss ratio at diamond level. Macro games are out of the question for me on pretty much all maps, the huge ones especially of course.
I open 2 rax (cut workers and make both on 11 supply for maximum aggressivity), then pull 3 SCVs with the first 3 marines, use your scout as well (keep it alive if possible at all), rally constant marines, cancel his natural and then make 3 bunkers. Don't forget to set all forward SCVs on auto-repair. Then I poke up his ramp, see what I can do. If I can't win right there I will usually go for both gases and simply rush for cloaked banshees. After such an early aggressive marine push most weaker Zergs aren't prepared for that. You will need to be very careful when your contain is up, however, as they can do Nydus worms, they can mass up lings or roaches and try to break it and so on, react accordingly and do use scans frequently inside their base to see what they are up to. Also try and check for hidden expansions.
This ends games quickly, no good Zerg loses to an early 2 rax into banshees but there are enough people in high diamond and sometimes low Master league that fall for it in order to not screw up your ladder rank too much if you're good in the other two Terran match-ups. Just prepare to get flamed at every corner.
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You pretty much have to be aggressive, as most people will suggest. I don't know what league you're in, but this can be quite difficult if you find your macro slip a lot when trying to multitask. Aggressive openings are quite hard to pull off if that's the case, but it's so important to not let the zerg player do whatever he wants. As I'm sure you know, Terran usually comes out the loser out of all three races when it comes to games where both players just macro up and play passive.
Watching a lot of recent TvZs seems to further prove this point. I remember MMA vs July from MLG where MMA is doing anything he can to not only keep the pressure on July, but stop him from going over 3 bases at any point.
Now, I wouldn't suggest trying to be like MMA, as his style is quite hard to replicate, but there are still things you can learn from his aggression. One interesting note is he's not at all afraid to stay on 2 bases much longer than most top Terrans if he needs to. He'll do whatever it takes to make sure he's at least killing new expansions, creep, a few drones here and there, etc.
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I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<.
Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D.
On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol
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On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
Oh yeah, my mindset is really bad. I'm really hard trying to not be bitter but losing in TvZ late game just hits the weak spot for me... lol. I'm doing my best to still avoid it
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On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol
Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p
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I lose to a lot of terrans with what people are talking about here - constant pressure, it's my weakest matchup right now. Usually it's a big push to my main while one medivac full of marines goes to each of my expansions. Lose too many drones or queens and I just can't keep up, usually it's the queens so I end up with a ton of resources and no way to spend it. Seems to come down to who is better at multitasking.
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the BEST thing to do honestly is just to ZvT for hours and hours and hours, I started off as a zerg player and when switching to TvZ it made the matchup A LOT easier because I knew what made me rage and did just that to every zerg. imo the best way to learn a mathcup is to extensively practice it on both sides.
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On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd.
TvZ is really hard for both sides. Terran units work best in small numbers, so it's often advantageous to split up your army and attack multiple places at once. One of your attacking groups will get destroyed, but at least the other one will kill 15 drones.
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Ive had a lot of stories about games end in:
-and then he got broodlords.
But its so funny that we complain about each others late game.
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Thank god protoss has blink and storm, fuuuuuuu late game zerg
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On June 22 2011 02:58 DNB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Oh yeah, my mindset is really bad. I'm really hard trying to not be bitter but losing in TvZ late game just hits the weak spot for me... lol. I'm doing my best to still avoid it
Well it seems like you care about ladder too much. Does it really matter if you lose? Personally, what makes the game enjoyable is getting better...so I just learn something from every loss and keep going. It seems that you should just not give a fuck about W/L ratio or anything like that. It will clear your mind and you would be able to improve your TvZ without a clouded judgement.
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On June 22 2011 03:08 zawk9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p
TvP is cancer.. :z
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you should go look at MMA games. he is just too good with his double drop strat. always put pressure on the zerg, force them to waste larvae on units and drones on spines/spores.
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Hey man I know how you feel. It reminds me of the days when I played Brood War as Terran. It's just the nature of the TvZ match up. You just have to find those timings when zerg is vulnerable and abuse it, because the initiative is on you to prevent his hive tech.
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Use Ghosts lategame I guess. Snipe Broodlords emp infestors.
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On June 22 2011 03:08 zawk9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p
tbh i feel TvP in BW is easier than TvZ in SC2 ^^ but thats probably just me
Lategame TvZ is hard as hell
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On June 22 2011 03:22 lyAsakura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 03:08 zawk9 wrote:On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p TvP is cancer.. :z
"Aaah I've finally got him n-" *6 carriers* ~_~
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On June 22 2011 04:44 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 03:22 lyAsakura wrote:On June 22 2011 03:08 zawk9 wrote:On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p TvP is cancer.. :z "Aaah I've finally got him n-" *6 carriers* ~_~
This is how I won all my offrace PvTs.
3base arbs -> ??????? i DUNNO what the f I'm doing -> 4-5 base put down like 4 stargates because my macro is bad
and then I'll win or lose depending on how bad my Terran opponent is.
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the solution of course is to play ZvT
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i got the same problem.... most of my zerg opponents go blind 3 queens 2 spine and i cant do enough damage with my helions, then he just get´s his 3rd, because he knows that i cant do more preassure without at least 3 tanks and mass marine/medivac and from then on i get rolled everytime :/
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On June 22 2011 05:13 MyLastSerenade wrote:
i got the same problem.... most of my zerg opponents go blind 3 queens 2 spine and i cant do enough damage with my helions, then he just get´s his 3rd, because he knows that i cant do more preassure without at least 3 tanks and mass marine/medivac and from then on i get rolled everytime :/
well... if you have a walloff with 1rax 2 depot, it's most likely either a FE or a hellion build anyways.....and if they scout that you went 1rax -> gas, it's definitely (to a zerg's eyes) a hellion build. so no it isn't really "blind".
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I got the exact same problem as you. I know TvZ is balanced, but it feels impossible to beat lategame zerg. Hive + infestor (especially broodlord + infestor) is so strong and hard to beat. It would be nice if terran had a good tier 3 unit. Another problem against zerg is scouting. Is he droning? Is he making 30 lings? If you think he is droning, and you attack with 15 marines, and he has alot of zerglings, then you lose those and you are behind imo, since your next push is delayed.
I played only TvP in BW because I enjoyed how hard it was (D+ level), but it felt possible. TvZ feels alot more harder and alot more impossible.
Good luck with tvz. Play it alot, try to find some zerg practice partner and get your gamesense up. Gamesense (knowing when to attack the zerg, knowing when to expand, etc) is very important in TvZ (imo).
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TvZ is by far my most volatile matchup. I'm either winning every single game or losing every single game, there's no in between (I'm in diamond).
I do early reactor hellion harrass into a 3 tank push around the 10-11 minute mark. That push makes or breaks the game for me - if it doesn't do enough damage, I will lose most of the time. I don't often win with that push, but I need to force my opponent to invest a lot into killing it.
When broodlords are out, it's over. I need to have vikings out when broodlords are done and I often don't.
Drops are really effective. You don't have to do double drops, but a drop while you're attacking with your main force can do a lot of damage.
You definitely can't just sit back and macro the whole game. You'll get crushed.
Good luck!
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On June 22 2011 04:59 qdenser wrote:
the solution of course is to play ZvT
And realize the matchup is just as annoying from a Zerg perspective lol.
It's actualyl a good idea though, you'll learn what's difficult to deal with as Zerg, when to push out, where to drop, when to run hellions in vs when not to, how effective pushing while dropping is, etc, just by experiencing the pain yourself.
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On June 22 2011 04:48 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 04:44 TheSubtleArt wrote:On June 22 2011 03:22 lyAsakura wrote:On June 22 2011 03:08 zawk9 wrote:On June 22 2011 02:57 TheSubtleArt wrote:I basically quit Brood War cause I couldn't play TvP lol. I'd literally beat more Protoss in BW offracing as Zerg than I would main racing as Terran, it was that bad >_<. Anyway, cheer up, focus on improving, watch pro reps, and use some ghosts : D. On June 22 2011 02:43 KawaiiRice wrote:
Play ZvT against a friend and you will be QQ'ing just as hard about how bad zerg units are. 3-3 marines just stand there and laugh at your 35 hp zerglings and 1 tank shot explodes 200 supply of banelings.
Just get over it and play to improve, you have a poisonous mindset that isn't helping you in the slightest bit.
gl dewd. Listen to KR, he's basically a master of TvZ lol Anyone who complains about any matchup in SC2 should be forced to play TvP in Brood War. That should set them straight :p TvP is cancer.. :z "Aaah I've finally got him n-" *6 carriers* ~_~ This is how I won all my offrace PvTs. 3base arbs -> ??????? i DUNNO what the f I'm doing -> 4-5 base put down like 4 stargates because my macro is bad and then I'll win or lose depending on how bad my Terran opponent is.
Lol DT drops, recalls, carrier transitions, shuttle bombs, and reavers microed by koreans....so obnoxious >_<
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Snipe tech with drops over and over and over
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On June 22 2011 06:13 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Snipe tech with drops over and over and over
worked for MMA? Its simple too, just fly the medivac through the muta swarm unscathed, then land next to the tech and kill it before they notice.......... lol easy right? xD
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This is it... I just can't improve my TvZ, it feels like if I don't have 200 apm with perfect double drops while slowpushing with tanks and splitting marines at the exact timing, I lose to a zerg who just masses lings banelings mutas and A-moves into me. I don't know if I should even continue playing SC2 if I can't enjoy TvZ... I've posted several replays into teamliquid but the answer is same: "You must have godlike multitasking and perfect micro and gamesense, terran noob". I'm not MMA, I'm not Flash, I'm just an ordinary gamer with limited skill...
This is QQ post, yes, but I've the only times I can win zerg if they make some very stupid mistakes, and even then I get insults from them how my race is somehow extremely overpowered. Who wants to play like that..?
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On June 22 2011 06:30 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 06:13 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Snipe tech with drops over and over and over worked for MMA? Its simple too, just fly the medivac through the muta swarm unscathed, then land next to the tech and kill it before they notice.......... lol easy right? xD
mma has superhuman medivacs with speedupgrades. normal humans medivacs die to mutas.
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TvZ is basically pure execution at this point. Execution takes mass gaming. One thing you learn from watching korean tvz is if you aren't dropping you are wasting time. If your drop gets picked off by mutas, do double drops. If double drop doesn't work, use another marine task force to attack while double dropping. For an example, watch slayersdragon's stream. There are many games where his drop just keep dying but eventually he breaks through. It takes just one successful drop out of a dozen plus to turn the tide.
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TvZ as I see it ... is overall very balanced and execution and skill is a huge factor through the match.
It begins heavily terran favored where the terran in almost every aspect got the upper hand. We, the zerg, have learned to deal with it though. It did take awhile, it did require a few patches and a lot of zerg tears but any experienced zerg have learned to deal with the first 10 minutes of every matchup. We struggle but we survive. It is up to the terran to do the damage though. The stronger the zerg enters the midgame the harder it is for the terran. No excuses though, you have every oppertunity to wound the zerg.
As we enter the midgame I find it to be the most skillbased and fun matchup. Lots of multitasking is required from both sides and you are promptly rewarded for your horrasment whether that be mutas or dropships while at the same time errors can be critical. Again this apply to both the zerg and the terran. Skill, not race, dominates the midgame.
Lategame, if the zerg is in a powerfull position where they stop droning, stop teching and only replenish armies continualy and they are at least 1 base up on the terran, the game turns into the zergs favor. It's pretty tough to deal with but I think the terran had every opertunity to end the game or delay and prevent this scenario.
Instead of working on your lategame when it's pretty much checkmate, work on everything up to that point. Be more relentless in your horassment. Hurt the zerg. Dont let them get that position cause this is when the swarm is taking over!
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I see that many people have told you this same thing, but I'll reiterate: ZvT is insanely stressful for zerg players too, the entire way through the game seems like walking a frayed tightrope over a pool of lava as you have to know scouting patterns that don't get your overlords killed, timings for every stupid 2-rax 4-rax 7-rax thing that equally frustrated terrans will throw out, and be constantly worried about marine drops, banshees, blue flame hellions, and (less now) reapers, all the while having to greedily pump drones to stay on equal footing with an enemy who it feels is perfectly capable of playing a base down for a while, then it all comes down to the tank/marine/medivac/couple of thors push midgame that you have to control perfectly against or your entire army will explode in showers of gore in a couple seconds.
Basically my point is that terrans should go into the game with the mindset my mom always told me to have when dealing with animals: "Remember, they're just as scared of you as you are of them. Be confident and authoritative and you'll be fine".
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Done, today is the day I quit SC2 because of TvZ
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It is always the player and never the race/match up that decides winning and losing. Only thing someone can be frustrated at when losing is themselves. Not the map, not the match up, not the balancing, not the cheesing opponent, but themselves.
Here is something that helps ppl to get into the right mind set when playing sc2.
Fake arrogant is from insecurity, it looks something like this, "i'm so much better than X, if not for Y there is no way I will lose ever" Then hides behind this Ego and never improve on anything, because he thinks there is nothing should be needed to work on since he's the best.
Real arrogant looks like this "I'm so good, it doesn't matter what kinds of advantage you have i will own you with all the odds stack against me." And when someone with real arrogant loses, he will go back to the drawing board to make sure he doesn't lose the same way again and come back again the next day to insert his arrogance into his victims. He will let his pwnage do the talking.
usually the truly arrogant one are playing random and announce their race each game, and if you manage to take a game off him in one particular match up, he will re-match you with that match up in order to show you you can't even have a positive win ratio with one of his 9 match ups. In his mind it is not ok to even lose out on a single match up.
When someone with real arrogance meets someone spouting fake arrogant, they will challenge them to 1vs1 in the mirror match up with a one worker handicap, and proceed to try their hardest to win.
Now that is insufferable arrogance.
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On June 29 2011 09:28 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 06:30 OmniEulogy wrote:On June 22 2011 06:13 RmoteCntrld wrote:
Snipe tech with drops over and over and over worked for MMA? Its simple too, just fly the medivac through the muta swarm unscathed, then land next to the tech and kill it before they notice.......... lol easy right? xD mma has superhuman medivacs with speedupgrades. normal humans medivacs die to mutas.
I clicked on your blog looking for TvZ rage and surprise surprise it's the last thing. June 11th :D
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Yeah I feel the exact way about TvZ too.
Terran: Strong early, balanced mid, weak late
Zerg: Weak early, balanced mid, strong late
Protoss: Balanced all around
I mean it can't be a coincidence that the most macro-centric players like Idra and Ret chose Zerg. They probably chose it because Zerg is the strongest race in macro mode. Its kinda weird because in BW I felt Terran was the strong turtle/macro race and Zerg was the rush/harass race. But SC2 is the total opposite.
Its been ages since I won a TvZ that went longer than 20 minutes. If I let the Zerg successfully turtle up to 3 saturated bases with creep everywhere and then the GGlords pop its pretty much game over no matter how much stuff I have.
Personally the way I've been dealing with it is just trying to finish the game with early pressure. 2 Rax Bunk, Hellion Drop, and 2 Port Cloakshee FTW. =) I know that someday I'll need to learn how to play a macro game vs Zerg but I'm just not there yet.
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I don't get why everyone says make Ghosts in late-game. There's a reason why all the best TvZers in the world don't. Ghosts suck against Zerg. Yeah you can EMP infestors and snipe infestors, but in a straight-up battle ghosts are a waste of supply and gas. Getting more tanks or marines or vikings is almost always better. You can't even run from banelings with them lol
TvZ = macro + multi-tasking
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My thing with zerg right now is you basically have to be doing 50 things at once to deal with them late game. The critical moment in the matchup is right when a zerg takes their third. Usually around 10 minutes. You have to either kill a hatchery or surrender. If you do, its very easy for terran to take the game by simply putting constant multi pronged pressure. upgraded marines are insanely efficient at killing shit. On maps like xelnaga you can plant your tanks in the middle and harass his third and drop his main while the zerg really cant do anything. Most of my games end with the zerg simply running out of money, and me denying every expansion.
If you dont kill the hatchery, you probably lost.
Also, I dont think ghosts are the magical answer to tvz at all. When the zerg gets hive you cant rely on ghosts to snipe everything, they're way too voulnerable and slow to be of use. If you don't scout it in time you're simply not going to win.
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I'm done.... For 9 months I've struggled against zerg. No avail... I don't have 300 apm, I've had shitty winrate for so long I don't even feel like winning a TvZ now, and it feels utterly pointless to even play sc2 at this point... I will quit this game temporarily, maybe I will come back later... I don't know
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Terran vs Zerg actually feels a lot like Broodwar. Marines & Medi(va)cs & Tanks vs Zerg. Constant harass with drops while fighting off their harass with muta/ling. In lategame its even more important to dropharass, since Broodlords are so immobile.
Whenever you drop, do something else to distract, otherwise it has no effect. I think TvZ in real lategame might be a bit imbalanced due to the fact that there's no real counter to a well played BL/infestor mix. Ghosts can work, but if the Zerg is good, they won't too well. So yeah.. its a hard match up for both sides. Work on your game and try to get a good multitasking with drops, it can shut down zerg so much.
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Just try to play more tvp, you will change your opinion LOL
TvZ is the best match up in the game with TvT. ( I have played all the P and T mu ).
However i do agree that blords/infestors late game can be very annoying.
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When you cant beat them, join them. Play ZvT vs a friend and do everything that you hate seeing when you are doing TvZ.
Chances is that after losing workers left and right to hellions, banshees, and drops... then having to throw entire armies just to kill a small forward force of marine medivac tanks cliffing you, you will appreciate how powerful terran units feel.
Ghosts are not that bad vs z... a lot of their units are light and snipe can be quite the damage dealer. They will also have trouble finding your cloaked ghosts since overseers are so obvious...
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There's about a thousand ways to die as a zerg until you get to infestor/broodlord, and most of the methods can be pretty infuriating. Once you get there it does feel kind of cheap tho. However, at my level (mid/high masters) players don't seem to be exploiting ghosts or multiple drop nearly enough.
I can't say if it's imbalanced or not but either way I don't like the new infestor. It ruins ZvZ, is less effective vs Blink, and can be pretty retarded against marines (at least before the terran could heal marines, and micro other units before you get the 2nd shot off since you had to wait about 4-5s for the 2nd fungal or it wouldn't kill them).
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Just do an all-in before the mutas come out. 9, 9:30, around there. If you win, you win. If you fail, at least you don't have to deal with the snowball going down the hill.
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EPT
