EPTCan We Please Stop With the Term 'Foreigner' - Page 5
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Mactator
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:04 Mactator wrote: I agree. Sc2 is becoming an international esport with large tournaments outside Korea. Few and far apart - many are online and sometimes shaky. Winning tournaments outside of Korea won't ever make people think you're the best. I don't think the entire world combined distributes as much money as the GSL. I could be wrong, but regardless it's at least almost true =P | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On June 15 2011 01:08 Chill wrote: It was a term borrowed from Koreans. Koreans call every non-Korean 'foreigner', as they should. But the mistake was everyone adopting the term. Now that SC2 is more global and Korea is no longer the central hub, the term makes no sense in SC2. its only not the central hub by our definition. yes the rest of the world combined can throw more money into the sport but if you ask anyone where to go to play the best in the world, its korea, and if foreigners dont start taking the game more seriously soon all the money in the world wont change the fact koreans will dominate | ||
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SatelliteNoodles
220 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:45 caradoc wrote: nstead of saying 'foreigner' how about saying 'Koreanally challenged' rofl its longer now | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:41 turdburgler wrote: its only not the central hub by our definition. yes the rest of the world combined can throw more money into the sport but if you ask anyone where to go to play the best in the world, its korea, and if foreigners dont start taking the game more seriously soon all the money in the world wont change the fact koreans will dominate Canada is the best at hockey. Any Canadian would call a Non-Canadian a 'foreigner'. That doesn't mean that an American would call an American hockey player a foreigner. That's it. It's a borrowed term that makes no sense when you borrow it. It doesn't matter who is best. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
korea is not all good. this nationalism stuff is disgusting. this applies to any 'country' | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aborigine The indigenous Australians were called aborigines when the British first colonised the country. An aborigine literally means an indigenous person but does not pertain to a specific country. Over time this name stuck and now an Aborigine (capitalised) specifically refers to an aboriginal Australian. It might not be the exact same thing but I'm sure it won't kill ESPORTS if it continues. | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
the damage to ESPORTS has already been done! | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
however, 'non-korean' is clunky to use when expressing yourself -though the more precise term-, so i think 'westerner' could and should pretty much replace 'foreigner' as the preferred denomination | ||
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
Revolutionary idea isn't it? On a side note: I see no problem with the use of foreigner and I will likely continue to use it. However, if you get butthurt by that term, feel free to use their nationalities. No ambiguity and 100% politically correct. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On June 15 2011 02:43 Chill wrote: Canada is the best at hockey. Any Canadian would call a Non-Canadian a 'foreigner'. That doesn't mean that an American would call an American hockey player a foreigner. That's it. It's a borrowed term that makes no sense when you borrow it. It doesn't matter who is best. It's a pretty shaky comparison as there aren't many similarities between the two scenes of hockey and starcraft - especially considering a vast majority of the NHL teams are located in American cities. Really, there isn't much you can compare it to, and I stand by my statement that korea remains the center of starcraft 2 until otherwise proven. Thus, i don't find it too odd to call non-koreans foreigners. Edit: and most importantly, i stand by my statement that it doesn't really matter. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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IamBach
United States1059 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:40 Megaliskuu wrote: Lol people find the dumbest shit to complain about. Seriously. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 15 2011 04:40 Megaliskuu wrote: Lol people find the dumbest shit to complain about. We need to HURTING ESPORTS somehow. People will always find a way. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
It isn't applicable anymore to determine all players outside of the mainbase (Korea) of the professional game as Korea actually has a very low number of tournaments compared to Europe / America. In BW I could understand the use of the word as there was no professional scene outside of Korea. So every non-Korean wanting to participate in the professional scene had to move there and thus was automatically a foreigner. Sure the skill level in Korea is still very high but it's easier to become a pro gamer on the European / American scene as the Korean scene because there are so much more tournaments as in Korea and a lot of people are making their living of SC2 without having to move to Korea. Hence the use of the word foreigner is outdated. The use of the word foreigner could even potentially harm the development of esports as potential sponsors (who more and more have no direct affinity with the computer scene) may look at it and think along the lines of: "Well if everybody outside Korea is regarded a foreigner Korea must be the place where we need to be and put our sponsor money to work." This could turn to a drainage of sponsors or lack of new sponsors on the European / American scene with over time less tournaments and prize money and eventually the death of the scene outside of Korea. ps. I also don't want to start using "non-Korean" instead, for the same reasons as above explained. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
The outsiders? Dudes who play StarCraft for funsies? Free money for Koreans? I'm teasin' on that last one, but seriously .__. | ||
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Sinborn
United States275 Posts
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qdenser
Canada133 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:18 ComaDose wrote: No its an accepted term. You may start a movement to end it but there will be resistance. Accept the established language. Being a Canadian I like hockey too. Why do we all fit the stereo type so well ;p i'm canadian and hockey is boring. i also don't drink beer. STEREOTYPE SHATTERED | ||
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