EPTCan We Please Stop With the Term 'Foreigner' - Page 2
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Non-korean and international mean the exact same thing within the context of SC2, its just a word. We use it to signify anyone not from Korea, its not a slight on them and its not a negative term its just the simplest way to convey the message. At MLG you can't use the term foreigner to mean anyone not from the US when the convention within the community is that foreigner means non-korean. Words can be used differently than their original intent, we do it all the time....... Rape for instance, we all agree that within the context of gaming it holds a different meaning to the rest of the worlds population, well foreigner is the same.... to us it doesn't mean "someone not of my home land" after all, if I'm casting a game... anyone not from the UK is a foreigner, to a Swedish guy I am a foreigner.... | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:23 Flaccid wrote: OKAY!Let's start a counter-movement to the original movement. As we all know the best hockey players in the world are (to a great degree) from Canada. And the best development and junior leagues are also in Canada with an ever-increasing number of Europeans and Americans moving here in order to 'compete with the best' and increase their chances of turning pro. Because of this, and the similar context to the Korean example in SC2, we will now refer to all non-Canadian hockey players as foreigners. Tim Thomas is a pretty good goaltender, for a foreigner. Evgeni Malkin is a top-foreign player. Join the revolution! There are so many Canadians playing for foreign teams Id like to see them come home and make stuff happen for our teams. To bad so much money is involved. I also really hope that foreigners don't take our lord Stanly's cup out of our grasp this year. There's a lot of foreigners that are better than Canadian NHL players. There are not a lot of foreigners that are better than Korean GSL players. EDIT:+ Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 23:45 Maliris wrote: lol wtf. its starcraft.Agreed, its just BW elitists clinging to their dying traditions | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
''All of the non-koreans'' were eliminated. Also this is hurting E-sports. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
Why is this? Because if the most dense area of progamers were to change from Korea, the term non-Korean is not adaptable while the term foreigner is. | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
Stop using it, I say. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10788 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:45 caradoc wrote: EDIT: if you don't like it, instead of saying 'foreigner' how about saying 'Koreanally challenged' or something. How about "culturally disadvantaged" :D | ||
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Flaccid
8848 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:00 Enervate wrote: Non-korean is racist. Really? Please explain. On June 14 2011 23:45 caradoc wrote: EDIT: if you don't like it, instead of saying 'foreigner' how about saying 'Koreanally challenged' or something. When I saw this I first read it as 'anally challenged' so obviously I support the movement 100%. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:01 Starshaped wrote: This is not true and also not the reason for the termIt made sense to use the term for BW... only like 5 people played it in the rest of the world, but for SC2 it really is silly to use the term. no its not.its very seriously not silly. the point is its accept terminology. it describes a group of people briefly to those knowledgeable of the terms meaning. does it offend you that you cant be a citizen or something? why hate the term? | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:53 redFF wrote: Yeah it's HURTING ESPORTS. (sorry couldn't resist) :p This. You need to stop hurting ESPORTs. Consult the blog a few links below this one about the detrimental effect you are having ESPORTs. | ||
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Flaccid
8848 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:45 Maliris wrote: Agreed, its just BW elitists clinging to their dying traditions Way to go champ... Edit: On topic, I like the term foreigner and it has nothing to do with BW, I just like it. | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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Fog-of-War
United States103 Posts
I was watching a show the other day the joke was some canadian talking about how much he loves hockey then asking the interviewer what his favorite hockey team was. the interviewer laughed and said "I'm american, I don't care about hockey." which is true for 90% of americans, hockey is a dying sport no one cares about any more, I only watched it for the fights....the few times i did watch. Korea loves esports and has embraced them more than any other country ESPECIALLY starcraft brood war. Also the best players have been and still are in korea. In BW if you were any good at all you went to korea to play. Didn't you see the post "naniwa and thorzain goto korea" wow our two of the best foreigners are going to korea to play in the GSL starting off in code A. Korea is still the capital of SC bw and SC2 there is no doubt. the distinction is correct...and i'm a foreigner. I used to think it was stupid until I saw the stats, Korea rules the SC world while a couple foreigners try to battle the Koreans | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Look at MLG? You can't say that there weren't top players there from Europe and the Americas playing there, and the Koreans swept it. Yeah they didn't go undefeated like they probably would have in BW (usually did, lol) but the skill gap is still clearly there. We're not ready to lump the world together, there's still a "foreigner" and a Korean scene - how many non-Koreans play in GSL? Not a whole lot, how many Koreans play in international tournaments? Again, not a whole lot. I think the word is definitely needed and fine to use. PS I'm a BW elitist clinging to my old ways. | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:08 ComaDose wrote: This is not true and also not the reason for the termno its not. its very seriously not silly. the point is its accept terminology. it describes a group of people briefly to those knowledgeable of the terms meaning. does it offend you that you cant be a citizen or something? why hate the term? Just because some self-hating nerds started calling themselves foreigners back in 1999 when the term was actually more or less applicable, we should use it today? How does that make sense to you? I don't care if it's a tradition from the BW days, it's still silly and stupid and should not be used. User was warned for this post | ||
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