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Can We Please Stop With the Term 'Foreigner' - Page 6

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yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
June 15 2011 00:24 GMT
#101
I always thought foreigner had a nice ring to it. I'll agree that non-Korean is a more accurate term but it's harder to say and doesn't have the same ring.

As far as the existence of the term, it is convenient because describing a player as Korean or foreigner actually does convey something meaningful. For example:
- a Korean player and a foreigner player with the same skill level will result in the foreigner getting much more relative attention
- in MLG Columbus, Idra gets credit for being the top foreigner
- in GSL, Jinro gets credit for being the most successful foreigner
- Hwangsin, a relatively unknown Korean, rolled through the TL open without too much fanfare nor did it shock anyone. A relatively unknown foreigner doing the same would have made shockwaves

So the term has use, and I like foreigner better than any replacement - I see no need to change it.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 15 2011 01:33 GMT
#102
What is the point of this discussion? The Foreigners term has been used for a long long time now, so it has its own heritage.
Beside, even SC2 is quite big outside Korea, Korea still has the best players. Everybody else outside Korea is always looking up to them. We all witnessed how Korean perform when they come to international event, they raped everyone that not Koreans.
So the term was here for a long time and it is here to stay untill the day Foreigners can win a majority of tourneys which I think will never come :D/
Terran
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8866 Posts
June 15 2011 02:13 GMT
#103
On June 15 2011 08:40 qdenser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 23:18 ComaDose wrote:
No its an accepted term.
You may start a movement to end it but there will be resistance.
Accept the established language.

Being a Canadian I like hockey too. Why do we all fit the stereo type so well ;p


i'm canadian and hockey is boring. i also don't drink beer. STEREOTYPE SHATTERED


YOU MAY BE FROM CANADA BUT YOU, SIR ARE NO CANADIAN!!1!
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 15 2011 02:28 GMT
#104
A lot of people on TL don't understand basic linguistic concepts. A word can change its meaning over time and in an environment like the internet this process is super accelerated.

Not to say that foreigner has changed in meaning, just people ignore this related concept a lot.

Foreigner is fine by me, its a throwback from bw players. Kind of like a mental check that I know it isn't some newschool fuckoff who's trying to cash in on the popularity of sc2. The more bw references the better.
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