• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:19
CEST 02:19
KST 09:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format12[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!1Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 Yamato Cup Series Is the larve respawn broken? Interview with an American 16 Year Old Grandmaster
Tourneys
WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12432 users

I tried the Bisu Build

Blogs > masterbreti
Post a Reply
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
May 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#1
and i failed at it. I think even Bisu himself would frown upon my horrid attempt at his build.

in my defense the zerg won with guardians and queens, and the bisu build does not have too many counters againt it. also i did well in terms of macro up to the 6-7 minute mark. but after that it all fell apart. I miss micro'd my cosairs and they all died without taking a single overlord. after that i just started puming ranodm units to try and counter the lurkers, but stupid me forgot the obs. so i died to them all.


I did better than i orignally though though, and it was a fun game. but i just don't have the apm, nor did i scout enough to counter whatever he was doing.

oh well, off to another game, and another loss

**
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 20:35:14
May 06 2011 20:34 GMT
#2
I thought bisu play had easy access to sairs which denies guardian and queen play (queens can ensnare though).

The trick is the keep your corsairs alive and not lose them to scourge. Losing the first sair too early can mean the game for you.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
May 06 2011 20:38 GMT
#3
Hahaha, read the liquipedia and practice it man. You'll get better. A quick thing I want to point out, though,

"I mis-micro'd my corsairs and they all died without taking a single overlord."
This is a problem in your mentality. Your early corsairs are primarily for scouting, and then for defending against mutalisks, and then finally for killing overlords. Overlord hunting should be your absolute last priority. If both of you performed your openings without mistakes, you should have time to kill one overlord with your first corsair, but that's about it.
안지호
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
May 06 2011 20:40 GMT
#4
Bisu Build doesn't really allow Zerg to get to Guardians is the trick
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 06 2011 21:25 GMT
#5
On May 07 2011 05:38 DTK-m2 wrote:
Hahaha, read the liquipedia and practice it man. You'll get better. A quick thing I want to point out, though,

"I mis-micro'd my corsairs and they all died without taking a single overlord."
This is a problem in your mentality. Your early corsairs are primarily for scouting, and then for defending against mutalisks, and then finally for killing overlords. Overlord hunting should be your absolute last priority. If both of you performed your openings without mistakes, you should have time to kill one overlord with your first corsair, but that's about it.


Overlords are not necessary and if you ever watch pro games they usually just lose 1 before scourge chase them all the way back home. But on lower levels you can kill a lot of overlords though. And where are the mention of DTS T___T

Thats like half of the bisu build right there!
Jaedong :3
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
May 06 2011 21:41 GMT
#6
I had the dt's too. But to my suprise he had his overlord there beforehand. I am suspecting he knew the build i was doing before i got the dt's
~_~
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada239 Posts
May 06 2011 22:02 GMT
#7
i thought all the bisu build required was to build a pylon?
Herro_Korea
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
310 Posts
May 06 2011 22:16 GMT
#8
DTs and Sairs should keep him in base, meanwhile you should take 3rd and get HTs with storm to deffend, thats basic idea of this build. 4-5, maybe 6 sairs with +1 and 2 dts moving where you kill overlords. It's really hard to pull off.
(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 06 2011 22:24 GMT
#9
On May 07 2011 06:41 masterbreti wrote:
I had the dt's too. But to my suprise he had his overlord there beforehand. I am suspecting he knew the build i was doing before i got the dt's

It doesn't really cost the Zerg anything to keep an overlord around every expo for detection. If he knew it were coming he'd have gotten a spore so that you couldn't just kill it.

glgl enjoy starcraft
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
May 06 2011 22:27 GMT
#10
On May 07 2011 07:02 ~_~ wrote:
i thought all the bisu build required was to build a pylon?


Truth.

What's so hard about building a pylon at the nat wtfbad?
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 06 2011 22:32 GMT
#11
did you use the bisu build expansion pack with the +1 zealot timing attack?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 23:22:58
May 06 2011 23:22 GMT
#12
Bisu build listed on Liquipedia is really outdated, so you should just ignore it.. I plan on writing up a guide on the updated iteration of Sair/DT for modern PvZ play, once I find the time to research the specific details
Writerptrk
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 07 2011 00:08 GMT
#13
On May 07 2011 07:32 kainzero wrote:
did you use the bisu build expansion pack with the +1 zealot timing attack?

The neo +1 sair/speedlot attack is the newest and best expansion yet
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
May 07 2011 01:11 GMT
#14
Does anyone actually know what the Bisu build means? Is it sair/DT? Just the Forge FE itself? The +1 zealot attack? People toss the word around more than "metagame" or "imbalanced" it seems...
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 07 2011 01:15 GMT
#15
On May 07 2011 10:11 xxpack09 wrote:
Does anyone actually know what the Bisu build means? Is it sair/DT? Just the Forge FE itself? The +1 zealot attack? People toss the word around more than "metagame" or "imbalanced" it seems...


Pylon at nat. Anywhere else and it isn't bisu build.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 07 2011 01:43 GMT
#16
On May 07 2011 10:11 xxpack09 wrote:
Does anyone actually know what the Bisu build means? Is it sair/DT? Just the Forge FE itself? The +1 zealot attack? People toss the word around more than "metagame" or "imbalanced" it seems...

People call every zerg build "5 hat hydra" these days too when that isn't even close to being true. So annoying :|
Moderator。◕‿◕。
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
May 07 2011 01:57 GMT
#17
Everyone fails the first time...
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 216
ViBE150
ZombieGrub129
NeuroSwarm 97
Nina 60
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3161
Rain 3136
Counter-Strike
summit1g9192
minikerr11
Other Games
tarik_tv4921
Day[9].tv835
shahzam504
C9.Mang0248
ToD193
XaKoH 128
Maynarde118
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2798
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 28
• davetesta6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 14
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Day9tv835
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 42m
CrankTV Team League
10h 42m
Replay Cast
1d 8h
CrankTV Team League
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
RSL Revival
2 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-13
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.