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I have an idea for how we all can make starcraft II a better game and a better community. There are a lot of people, just like me, who are trying to figure this game out and become a better player. A few of us make post on TL or elsewhere asking for help posting replays to try and get some advice and improve our game. Most of us just kind of force our own learning by trial and error and just kind of figure things out. I think for any of us it would be really nice if someone better then us could lend a hand and help us improve.
So here is the idea; solid players in higher leagues offer to help lower ranked players hands on. Coaching style. Totally free, and totally voluntary. For every player that gets free coaching, this person must offer free coaching to at least two other people as well. And those people must offer coaching, ect, ect. If you are in bronze and you get some help, no problem, just wait until you get into a higher rank like platinum, and then spread your knowledge. As a team liguid and sc2 community, we can all help each other improve.
For instance, I am a diamond level zerg willing to help someone platinum level and under with their game. I am ranked 28th in my devision, my strengths are probably macro and cheese defense, if you are struggling on your road to rank up send me a PM and lets work thing out. mothergoose.851 NA.
Also, I am looking for a good master level zerg or random player who is willing to help me learn new styles and iron out the weaknesses in my game. I am struggling with zvt in particular, but all my matchups could use some work. I suffer a lot with late game decision making. I feel like my macro as well could use some refining to be a contender with master level play. I feel like with some work I could see myself ranking up to master in a couple of months. mothergoose.851 NA.
As for the rest of you... Post here with your rank, the server, and a little about yourself. Kind of like the pratice partner thread. Indicate who you are willing to help and what kind of things you would like someone else to help you with. If you are a lower league and can't coach anyone right now that is ok, just keep playing and give back when you can. No one is going to keep track of your name and hound you to contribute  . Hopefully a lot of people can get some good help and we can all make each other better players.
  
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Sounds good theoretically but I don't see what benefit the people at the top get besides giving away their strategies for free. Keep in mind, helping others improve and offering information makes other players better, meaning you are going to have a harder time trying to win. This is prevalent in SC since information-based resources such as liquipedia, day9 daily, etc.. When I was trying to improve in 06', let me tell you, there was no resources or anything. You had to figure the shit out yourself or hopefully find a clan mate whom you could befriend, and then MAYBE he or she might help you out. Now anybody can get good. I've had people start playing in 09 who beat me in BW, just because they were able to get going so quickly
Basically, more information-sharing = people getting better = you having a harder time to win. In a game where winning is everything, that doesn't sound very beneficial for you.
This concept makes sense for real life (and also makes sense in the movie), but for a competitive video game, doesn't seem very practical...at least for those higher up as they don't get any real gains.
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On April 07 2011 16:09 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Sounds good theoretically but I don't see what benefit the people at the top get besides giving away their strategies for free. Keep in mind, helping others improve and offering information makes other players better, meaning you are going to have a harder time trying to win. This is prevalent in SC since information-based resources such as liquipedia, day9 daily, etc.. When I was trying to improve in 06', let me tell you, there was no resources or anything. You had to figure the shit out yourself or hopefully find a clan mate whom you could befriend, and then MAYBE he or she might help you out. Now anybody can get good. I've had people start playing in 09 who beat me in BW, just because they were able to get going so quickly
Basically, more information-sharing = people getting better = you having a harder time to win. In a game where winning is everything, that doesn't sound very beneficial for you.
This concept makes sense for real life (and also makes sense in the movie), but for a competitive video game, doesn't seem very practical...at least for those higher up as they don't get any real gains.
A starcraft community composed of better players is a better starcraft community. Rank doesn't matter, and winning doesn't matter, playing the game well and having fun are far more important. If all you care about is winning then you probably aren't interested in coaching and this thread is not for you.
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On April 07 2011 16:14 mothergoose729 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 16:09 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Sounds good theoretically but I don't see what benefit the people at the top get besides giving away their strategies for free. Keep in mind, helping others improve and offering information makes other players better, meaning you are going to have a harder time trying to win. This is prevalent in SC since information-based resources such as liquipedia, day9 daily, etc.. When I was trying to improve in 06', let me tell you, there was no resources or anything. You had to figure the shit out yourself or hopefully find a clan mate whom you could befriend, and then MAYBE he or she might help you out. Now anybody can get good. I've had people start playing in 09 who beat me in BW, just because they were able to get going so quickly
Basically, more information-sharing = people getting better = you having a harder time to win. In a game where winning is everything, that doesn't sound very beneficial for you.
This concept makes sense for real life (and also makes sense in the movie), but for a competitive video game, doesn't seem very practical...at least for those higher up as they don't get any real gains. A starcraft community composed of better players is a better starcraft community. Rank doesn't matter, and winning doesn't matter, playing the game well and having fun are far more important. If all you care about is winning then you probably aren't interested in coaching and this thread is not for you.
I don't even play sc anymore. Just posting my opinion based on my experiences of seeing others get really good fast and how frustrating it can be. Not saying it's not good for people to improve, I'm saying for higher level players to give away strats for free to make it harder for themselves to win doesn't sound very appealing.
Rank and winning do matter though. Starcraft wouldn't be competitive if winning did not matter.
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Nice idea, but probably too difficult to enforce.
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On April 07 2011 18:35 meegrean wrote:
Nice idea, but probably too difficult to enforce.
There isn't a way to enforce it really and I don't intend to. If you want to coach or you want some help just post here. Don't intend to make it more complicated then that. The assumption is someone will help two other people at some point down the road.
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On April 07 2011 16:14 mothergoose729 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 16:09 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Sounds good theoretically but I don't see what benefit the people at the top get besides giving away their strategies for free. Keep in mind, helping others improve and offering information makes other players better, meaning you are going to have a harder time trying to win. This is prevalent in SC since information-based resources such as liquipedia, day9 daily, etc.. When I was trying to improve in 06', let me tell you, there was no resources or anything. You had to figure the shit out yourself or hopefully find a clan mate whom you could befriend, and then MAYBE he or she might help you out. Now anybody can get good. I've had people start playing in 09 who beat me in BW, just because they were able to get going so quickly
Basically, more information-sharing = people getting better = you having a harder time to win. In a game where winning is everything, that doesn't sound very beneficial for you.
This concept makes sense for real life (and also makes sense in the movie), but for a competitive video game, doesn't seem very practical...at least for those higher up as they don't get any real gains. A starcraft community composed of better players is a better starcraft community. Rank doesn't matter, and winning doesn't matter, playing the game well and having fun are far more important. If all you care about is winning then you probably aren't interested in coaching and this thread is not for you.
I think you counter your own point here. If winning doesn't matter and rank doesn't matter then there really isn't any point in getting coached. You don't need to be a pro to have fun at the game especially when the ladder is designed to get you to a 50% win ratio no matter your skill level.
On another note it's a nice idea, but I think the biggest problem I see with it is you are going to get to the bottom of the scale very quickly. Basically 1 person is going to coach someone and then they aren't going to be able to coach anybody after that because they aren't qualified. Personally I think if you are stuck in something like bronze or silver then something like coaching isn't your issue.
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This thread is about helping people and getting help in an attempt to make a more personable and competitive community. Very much in line with the spirit of most of the sc2 and team liquid community. I don't know why somebody would object to this... talking to other gamers and improving their game is bad? Quit being a bunch of buzz kills. If you don't want to be a part of this then kindly stop posting in my blog.
As for me, I found some guy on bnet, directed him to my blog, and spent about two hours helping him with his zvz. Later we are going to work on is zvt. He was really thankful, and he promises he is going to help someone else when he feels like he has knowledge worth passing on. That is what this thread is about. Don't make it to complicated guys.
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communism worked in theory too.
in all honesty though i like the idea of people being kind hearted and willing to help one another, but in reality it just isn't true.
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hmmm i might take somebody up on this for zvz silver. wattabeast 775 if anyone bronze wants help, or if anyone is willing to hlep me.
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if yah would like to help me out imma silver zerg i need help in general. i wouldnt say im well rounded more just rounded sirSQUIGGLES 980
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