studying n00b-german! - Page 13

On November 14 2011 21:03 mrscheng wrote:

"Vor nur 100 Jahren gab es nur eine echte Lebensform, und zwar die Kernfamilie"

here, i'm not actually familiar of how to use the word "zwar", as it doesnt really translte to good into swedish... for me, zwar makes sense if you use it here without the "und" ... is that a possibilty? or does "und zwar" mean "and that is" in english?

On November 14 2011 21:03 mrscheng wrote:
"Am meistens häufigsten haben hat nur Frauen nur ein Kind, weil 80% von den alleinstehenden Personen Frauen sind."

can i change it to: "Am häufigsten haben nur Frauen ein Kind, weil 80% von den alleinstehenden Personen Frauen sind."
because i want to emphasize that its most often just the woman who brings a kid with her into the relationship. if you put the "nur" after frauen, it will emphasize that they only bring one kid with them, no?

[...] In Schweden ist es ungewöhnlich, dass beide Eltern ein Kind von aus einer früheren Beziehung haben. Am häufigsten bringen Frauen ein Kind mit in die Beziehung, weil 80% von den alleinstehenden Personen Frauen sind.

[...] In Schweden ist es ungewöhnlich, dass beide Eltern ein Kind von aus einer früheren Beziehung haben. Am häufigsten ist es die Frau, die ein Kind aus einer früheren Beziehung mit in die Neue einbringt. Der Grund dafür liegt darin, dass 80% aller alleinstehenden Personen Frauen sind.

On November 15 2011 06:59 WerderBremen wrote:
Sorry for responding so late, i'm always forgetting about this thread




You can substitute the part " , und zwar" with something like "und damit meine ich". Does that help you? And i mean replace it in your thoughts. You souldn't write "und damit meine ich" in this specific case; it doesn't sound formal enough for an essay.




if you put the "nur" after frauen, it will emphasize that they only bring one kid with them, no?
-->>> yes you are right

because i want to emphasize that its most often just the woman who brings a kid with her into the relationship.
-->> if you want to emphasize this thought in your sentence, you should create a little diffrent sentence itself. Like this:


or another suggestion

On November 16 2011 00:26 mrscheng wrote:



"Jiddisch wird immer populärer in Schweden und in die Welt. Warum ist dies der Fall, und was für eine Sprache ist es? Jiddisch ist die Sprache der Ostdeutschen Juden und hat sich aus Hebräisch, dem mittelalterlichem Deutsch und anderen Sprachen entwickelt. Es wird seit dem Ende der 1800er Jahre in unserem Land gesprochen. Ein besonderer Aufschwung bekam Jiddisch in den 1870er Jahren, als viele Osteuropeische Juden in die größeren schwedischen Städte einwanderten . Seit dem Jahre 2000 ist Jiddisch eine der offiziellen Minderheitssprachen in Schweden.

Wie kann man das wachsende Interesse für die Sprache erklären? Einen entscheidenden Faktor spielt die Klezmermusik. Wer diese Musik mag, möchte auch die Wörter verstehen. Aber die Anziehungskraft der Sprache hängt auch damit zusammen, dass Menschen ihrer Wurzeln finden wollen. Sie wollen die Sprache ihrer Eltern oder Großeltern lernen, um die Literatur, die auf Jiddisch gibt, lesen zu können.

Ungefähr 4000 Schweden verstehen Jiddisch, aber nicht alle können diese fremde und faszinierende Sprache sprechen."

On November 16 2011 02:07 meowmeow- wrote:

Major blunder here. You absolutely have to substitute "alleinstehend" with "alleinerziehend".
If 80% of all single people were women, heaven would be a place on earth.

On November 16 2011 02:12 meowmeow- wrote:

Brilliant punktuation and very minor mistakes. Your German is fantastic.
I took the liberty to correct your text, if you don't mind me interfering.

To shed some light on the debate regarding Worte and Wörter from one page before:

'Wörter' simply is the plural of Wort. Dieser Satz besteht aus sechs Wörtern.
'Worte' (e. g. 'wahre Worte, 'große Worte für einen kleinen Mann') is used when you talk about a memorable quote, or a striking combination of words, or words that become special due to their composition.

For instance: "In den Worten des großen Dramatikers Berthold Brecht."
Or: "Mir fehlen die Worte."

On November 16 2011 02:12 meowmeow- wrote:


Brilliant punktuation and very minor mistakes. Your German is fantastic.
I took the liberty to correct your text, if you don't mind me interfering.

On November 16 2011 02:40 mrscheng wrote:


looooool



nononooo! my german is NOT fantastic :$ you must understand, i already have the text in swedish in front of me, had i written this myself had the punctuation done your head in! =) but still i appreciate it lol, ty. it gives me good hopes to pass the test coming up in a few weeks =)

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in this instance, i would with that explaination use "Worte", as it is words in a song, that are being sung -> said out loud. isnt that the definition of when to use Worte instead of Wörter?

hmm in english you'd probably use the word "lyrics" isntead of "words" when you speak of the content that someone is singing in a song, but just asking, how would you translate "The words in his song spoke to me" ? would you still prefer Wörter?

If you in this instance use Wörter instead of Worte, does that emphasize that you like his choice of words, rather than what the meaning of his words were? am i overthinking this?

sorry for all the q's still not 100% sure on when to use what word :/

On November 16 2011 03:00 mrscheng wrote:


I am so happy every time someone takes the time out of their day to help me, it is in no way interfering.

i have a q though, regarding:
"Sie wollen die Sprache ihrer Eltern oder Großeltern lernen, um die Literatur, die auf Jiddisch gibt, lesen zu können."

wont this make the sentence mean that the learn jiddisch (only) in order to be able to read the literature?

is the sentence still correct if i leave it with the "und" instead? is this maybe only a problem because i may have used the comma wrongly?

On November 16 2011 03:02 mrscheng wrote:
also, when writing "lesen zu können" or "lesenzukönnen", iv read that both are correct, but you Muttersprachler, which one would you use/which one would you consider more correct? i would prefer to use which ever is the "younger" type way to write it.

On November 15 2011 04:42 KeksX wrote:

Since you are referring to "Spaß" as "the fun"(der Spaß) you'd have to use "zum". "zu", in anything related to this, is used in the "advanced infinitive"(hope that makes sense for you, it's basic german grammar but I don't know if you can do anything with it): "zu spaßen", "zu lachen". There are more uses for "zu" though, but this is the one people always seem to misdo.

But technically, the correct saying is "Es ist aus Spaß", because "zum Spaß" says basically "The fun belongs to it / It belongs to the fun" or something like that(sounds weird, right?), you'd have to say "Es ist aus Spaß", which would literally translate to "It's out of the fun"=>"It's for fun".

I would love to give the 100% correct grammar explanation of all of this, but there's a big difference between explaining it in german and explaining it in english.


Also, a little anecdote:
Everytime I talk about grammar I think about my old latin teacher and how he'd beat this shit into my brain(not literally) because we were little dumbfucks that didn't even know proper german grammar("So how are you supposed to learn latin if you don't even know german which is like the bastard child of latin!?..."). It's pretty hard to remember most of the time but seems like this guy is a baller, remember so much of this latin stuff when thinking of german grammar and vice versa.

On November 18 2011 04:43 mrscheng wrote:
lol ja... in die realia unterrichten sprechen wir oft über fußball ^^

um, heute, als ich machte meine grammatik, dachte ich über die zwei verben "sprechen" und "reden"....

was ist verschieden zwischen diese verben? ich meine, wenn soll ich welche benutzen? kann man sie mit englischen verben vielleicht vergleichen?