On March 15 2011 05:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote: The fact that this will be blown out of proportion offends me 10000x more than anything she said in that video. She'll be reprimanded and have to deal with this shit for ages now, for what was little more than venting frustration.
I think it's deserved. When you and I are frustrated, we vent to people we know, or anonymously to the internet through message boards such as these. She did so publically, to the internet at large, in what is basically a "LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" video. Well, she's got our collective attention now, doesn't she.
What's worse, she should know better (and even hints that she knows that what she is saying is inflammitory when she says 'we all know I'm not the most politically correct person'). If you know what you're saying could be construed as racist (whether or not you intend it), why in gods name would you put it on youtube?
I have very little sympathy.
So that means the people who will undoubtedly use her personal information to essentially harass her are warranted in doing so because she isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer?
She made ignorant statements based on personal experiences she had just had that day. Nobody can disagree with the broad point she was making, only with how she directed it. People blowing stupid shit out of proportion as usual. Not to point a finger at overly liberal colleges, but this type of student body getting worked up over ridiculous bull shit is what makes them a joke to everybody not in that circle.
I don't condone harassment at all. Mockery and shaming are certainly warranted.
However, your outrage at this "being blown out of proportion" is misplaced. If you or I are annoyed about someone in the library, we may tell a friend about it. If we are particularly annoyed, we might even make an anonymous post on an internet message board, or even post something on facebook. However, she chose to take it all the way to Youtube, the king of exposure, because she felt that this offense was so egregious, so heinous, so terrible that everyone needed to know.
The response is, if anything, proportional to her initial overreaction.
When "mockery and shaming" are done with thousands and thousands of people and news outlets, then it's worse than harassment. There's a piece about her on Huffingtonpost and probably many, many more to come on other sites. She will basically have a chance of having some of her life ruined over a tiny, insignificant, and trivial video she made. And if you don't think her life can be ruined (note: slightly dramatizing my point, but not entirely) then you're not looking at the whole picture and what can come of this.
I wont comment on the ridiculous logic you used to somehow tie that talking to friends, posting on a message board, or posting something on facebook would make it a lesser crime, but posting on on Youtube? Oh, well then she clearly deserves it.
Personally if she is that stupid to make racist comments on a youtube video for everyone to see, then she deserves it. She isn't some naive middle schooler. She is an adult. And unfortunately she probably will be learning the hard way that saying things like this publicly will have consequences. If a white person made a video on youtube about black people being obnoxiously loud and always knocking up girls and leaving them etc., there would be a huge shit storm even though some of the stereotypes are backed by statistics (okay not the being loud part). I see no reason she should get special treatment for being dumb and making racists remarks about Asians.
Your implication that I would care more if it were non-asians is insulting to me. I don't give a flying fuck in general. Any group of people, race or otherwise, could be targeted in this manner and I wouldn't care in the slightest. Is she an idiot for framing her statements the way she did? Yes, but that doesn't make her overly racist, which is what she'll be labeled, just an idiot.
slight addendum/edit: You might not be suggesting that directly at me, but saying it as a whole I think is ridiculous. Instead of framing the discussion in that way simply change her comment from the ching-chong-ting-long or whatever to speaking in ebonics. There'd still be a shit storm, and it would still be undeserved.
On March 15 2011 05:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote: The fact that this will be blown out of proportion offends me 10000x more than anything she said in that video. She'll be reprimanded and have to deal with this shit for ages now, for what was little more than venting frustration.
I think it's deserved. When you and I are frustrated, we vent to people we know, or anonymously to the internet through message boards such as these. She did so publically, to the internet at large, in what is basically a "LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" video. Well, she's got our collective attention now, doesn't she.
What's worse, she should know better (and even hints that she knows that what she is saying is inflammitory when she says 'we all know I'm not the most politically correct person'). If you know what you're saying could be construed as racist (whether or not you intend it), why in gods name would you put it on youtube?
I have very little sympathy.
So that means the people who will undoubtedly use her personal information to essentially harass her are warranted in doing so because she isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer?
She made ignorant statements based on personal experiences she had just had that day. Nobody can disagree with the broad point she was making, only with how she directed it. People blowing stupid shit out of proportion as usual. Not to point a finger at overly liberal colleges, but this type of student body getting worked up over ridiculous bull shit is what makes them a joke to everybody not in that circle.
I don't condone harassment at all. Mockery and shaming are certainly warranted.
However, your outrage at this "being blown out of proportion" is misplaced. If you or I are annoyed about someone in the library, we may tell a friend about it. If we are particularly annoyed, we might even make an anonymous post on an internet message board, or even post something on facebook. However, she chose to take it all the way to Youtube, the king of exposure, because she felt that this offense was so egregious, so heinous, so terrible that everyone needed to know.
The response is, if anything, proportional to her initial overreaction.
When "mockery and shaming" are done with thousands and thousands of people and news outlets, then it's worse than harassment. There's a piece about her on Huffingtonpost and probably many, many more to come on other sites. She will basically have a chance of having some of her life ruined over a tiny, insignificant, and trivial video she made. And if you don't think her life can be ruined (note: slightly dramatizing my point, but not entirely) then you're not looking at the whole picture and what can come of this.
I wont comment on the ridiculous logic you used to somehow tie that talking to friends, posting on a message board, or posting something on facebook would make it a lesser crime, but posting on on Youtube? Oh, well then she clearly deserves it.
Personally if she is that stupid to make racist comments on a youtube video for everyone to see, then she deserves it. She isn't some naive middle schooler. She is an adult. And unfortunately she probably will be learning the hard way that saying things like this publicly will have consequences. If a white person made a video on youtube about black people being obnoxiously loud and always knocking up girls and leaving them etc., there would be a huge shit storm even though some of the stereotypes are backed by statistics (okay not the being loud part). I see no reason she should get special treatment for being dumb and making racists remarks about Asians.
Your implication that I would care more if it were non-asians is insulting to me. I don't give a flying fuck in general. Any group of people, race or otherwise, could be targeted in this manner and I wouldn't care in the slightest. Is she an idiot for framing her statements the way she did? Yes, but that doesn't make her overly racist, which is what she'll be labeled, just an idiot.
slight addendum/edit: You might not be suggesting that directly at me, but saying it as a whole I think is ridiculous. Instead of framing the discussion in that way simply change her comment from the ching-chong-ting-long or whatever to speaking in ebonics. There'd still be a shit storm, and it would still be undeserved.
Hey, I wasn't directing the white/black thing at you sorry if you thought that way. And I never said she was racist and I don't think she is. I agree she is dumb but she was making racists comments publicly. And I agree that the consequences she can potentially face is unfair. But I strongly believe that as an adult, life has consequences and you have to be ready to face them if you did something wrong. Maybe a public apology by her would be very helpful in smoothing this over.
On March 15 2011 05:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote: The fact that this will be blown out of proportion offends me 10000x more than anything she said in that video. She'll be reprimanded and have to deal with this shit for ages now, for what was little more than venting frustration.
I think it's deserved. When you and I are frustrated, we vent to people we know, or anonymously to the internet through message boards such as these. She did so publically, to the internet at large, in what is basically a "LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" video. Well, she's got our collective attention now, doesn't she.
What's worse, she should know better (and even hints that she knows that what she is saying is inflammitory when she says 'we all know I'm not the most politically correct person'). If you know what you're saying could be construed as racist (whether or not you intend it), why in gods name would you put it on youtube?
I have very little sympathy.
So that means the people who will undoubtedly use her personal information to essentially harass her are warranted in doing so because she isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer?
She made ignorant statements based on personal experiences she had just had that day. Nobody can disagree with the broad point she was making, only with how she directed it. People blowing stupid shit out of proportion as usual. Not to point a finger at overly liberal colleges, but this type of student body getting worked up over ridiculous bull shit is what makes them a joke to everybody not in that circle.
I don't condone harassment at all. Mockery and shaming are certainly warranted.
However, your outrage at this "being blown out of proportion" is misplaced. If you or I are annoyed about someone in the library, we may tell a friend about it. If we are particularly annoyed, we might even make an anonymous post on an internet message board, or even post something on facebook. However, she chose to take it all the way to Youtube, the king of exposure, because she felt that this offense was so egregious, so heinous, so terrible that everyone needed to know.
The response is, if anything, proportional to her initial overreaction.
When "mockery and shaming" are done with thousands and thousands of people and news outlets, then it's worse than harassment. There's a piece about her on Huffingtonpost and probably many, many more to come on other sites. She will basically have a chance of having some of her life ruined over a tiny, insignificant, and trivial video she made. And if you don't think her life can be ruined (note: slightly dramatizing my point, but not entirely) then you're not looking at the whole picture and what can come of this.
I wont comment on the ridiculous logic you used to somehow tie that talking to friends, posting on a message board, or posting something on facebook would make it a lesser crime, but posting on on Youtube? Oh, well then she clearly deserves it.
You're either misunderstanding me or tolling me. No, I am not suggesting it is a lesser crime. My point can be summed up by an equation: (Content of statements)x(forum chosen)=(attention expected). She made comments that she may or may not have understood to be inflammatory(though I am pretty sure she knew to some degree what she was saying was racist and inflammatory, hence the "I am not the most politically correct person" qualification she offered). This gives the content a negative value. She definitely chose her forum (and attire, boobs proudly displayed) for MAXIMUM attention. Therefore, she can expect a lot of negative attention. If she makes the statement to a friend, that friend may or may not say "hey, that's kinda racist", and can expect very little attention. If she makes it to an anonymous forum, some people might call her racist, but they will be mocking and shaming an internet handle that is only relevant in its associated community, not in the real world. She picked YouTube consciously, for a lot of attention, and she got it.
^^^ remix. "so sorry!" This cracked me up. It's actually really catchy. edit: oh you already linked it
In all seriousness, I myself am an asian-american UCLA student, and I honestly didn't care or get offended (because some of it is actually true T_T, like the families in the apartments and the talking in the library-i'm one of those kids you'll find in the Asians Sleeping In The Library blog) until she mentioned the earthquake and tsunami disasters.
wow UCLA adminstration is surely overreacting.. i bet they can find many more idiots in that school besides her, and many of them are probably not as harmless
On March 15 2011 09:26 phosphorylation wrote: wow UCLA adminstration is surely overreacting.. i bet they can find many more idiots in that school besides her, and many of them are probably not as harmless
They see a need to preserve school esteem/dignity I suppose...
UCLA Office of the Chancellor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To the Campus Community:
I am appalled by the thoughtless and hurtful comments of a UCLA student posted on YouTube. Like many of you, I recoil when someone invokes the right of free expression to demean other individuals or groups.
This one act certainly does not represent the views of our UCLA community. Our community is built on mutual respect and civility, and we are committed to fostering an environment that values and supports every member of the community. It is most unfortunate that a single clip on the Internet undermines that environment by expressing hurtful and shameful ideas about others in our community. I believe that speech that expresses intolerance toward any group of people on the basis of race or gender, or sexual, religious or cultural identity is indefensible and has no place at UCLA.
Let this incident serve as a reminder of our collective responsibility to confront hateful and ignorant speech and to uphold UCLA’s core values of respect and integrity.
UCLA Office of the Chancellor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To the Campus Community:
I am appalled by the thoughtless and hurtful comments of a UCLA student posted on YouTube. Like many of you, I recoil when someone invokes the right of free expression to demean other individuals or groups.
This one act certainly does not represent the views of our UCLA community. Our community is built on mutual respect and civility, and we are committed to fostering an environment that values and supports every member of the community. It is most unfortunate that a single clip on the Internet undermines that environment by expressing hurtful and shameful ideas about others in our community. I believe that speech that expresses intolerance toward any group of people on the basis of race or gender, or sexual, religious or cultural identity is indefensible and has no place at UCLA.
Let this incident serve as a reminder of our collective responsibility to confront hateful and ignorant speech and to uphold UCLA’s core values of respect and integrity.
Sincerely,
Gene D. Block Chancellor
what a surprise.. in response to a light-hearted video, the administration spews out a generic letter written like a lawyer/robot. I guess thats what they're paid to do
UCLA Office of the Chancellor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To the Campus Community:
I am appalled by the thoughtless and hurtful comments of a UCLA student posted on YouTube. Like many of you, I recoil when someone invokes the right of free expression to demean other individuals or groups.
This one act certainly does not represent the views of our UCLA community. Our community is built on mutual respect and civility, and we are committed to fostering an environment that values and supports every member of the community. It is most unfortunate that a single clip on the Internet undermines that environment by expressing hurtful and shameful ideas about others in our community. I believe that speech that expresses intolerance toward any group of people on the basis of race or gender, or sexual, religious or cultural identity is indefensible and has no place at UCLA.
Let this incident serve as a reminder of our collective responsibility to confront hateful and ignorant speech and to uphold UCLA’s core values of respect and integrity.
Sincerely,
Gene D. Block Chancellor
what a surprise.. in response to a light-hearted video, the administration spews out a generic letter written like a lawyer/robot. I guess thats what they're paid to do
Disregarding the context of this letter, what, do you want administration to write like school girls?
UCLA Office of the Chancellor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To the Campus Community:
I am appalled by the thoughtless and hurtful comments of a UCLA student posted on YouTube. Like many of you, I recoil when someone invokes the right of free expression to demean other individuals or groups.
This one act certainly does not represent the views of our UCLA community. Our community is built on mutual respect and civility, and we are committed to fostering an environment that values and supports every member of the community. It is most unfortunate that a single clip on the Internet undermines that environment by expressing hurtful and shameful ideas about others in our community. I believe that speech that expresses intolerance toward any group of people on the basis of race or gender, or sexual, religious or cultural identity is indefensible and has no place at UCLA.
Let this incident serve as a reminder of our collective responsibility to confront hateful and ignorant speech and to uphold UCLA’s core values of respect and integrity.
Sincerely,
Gene D. Block Chancellor
what a surprise.. in response to a light-hearted video, the administration spews out a generic letter written like a lawyer/robot. I guess thats what they're paid to do
If you honestly believe this video was "light-hearted," you suck at social interaction.
If you honestly believe this is the proper way to get a point across, you suck at debating.
I don't get how people watch this video and somehow perceive it as overt racism directed at every asian person. No, it's not. It is directed at a very specific group, who merely happen to be asian. Do you think her issue is that they speak the ting-tong-ching-long, or that they're speaking IN THE LIBRARY?
I just don't see how anybody is up in arms over this. I really don't. This political correctness has gone over the edge and once again pushed out common sense in order to accuse somebody of being racist, instead of merely an idiot.
If you want to argue over whether or not it's "appropriate" to stereotype, as she is doing, I believe that is a different discussion. She used her own internal inferential statistics poorly by having a bad sample to draw from. Did she rant too much and meander off topic? Sure, but everybody does.
UCLA Office of the Chancellor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To the Campus Community:
I am appalled by the thoughtless and hurtful comments of a UCLA student posted on YouTube. Like many of you, I recoil when someone invokes the right of free expression to demean other individuals or groups.
This one act certainly does not represent the views of our UCLA community. Our community is built on mutual respect and civility, and we are committed to fostering an environment that values and supports every member of the community. It is most unfortunate that a single clip on the Internet undermines that environment by expressing hurtful and shameful ideas about others in our community. I believe that speech that expresses intolerance toward any group of people on the basis of race or gender, or sexual, religious or cultural identity is indefensible and has no place at UCLA.
Let this incident serve as a reminder of our collective responsibility to confront hateful and ignorant speech and to uphold UCLA’s core values of respect and integrity.
Sincerely,
Gene D. Block Chancellor
what a surprise.. in response to a light-hearted video, the administration spews out a generic letter written like a lawyer/robot. I guess thats what they're paid to do
Disregarding the context of this letter, what, do you want administration to write like school girls?
Hearting the i and writing in purple really does help.
UCLA Office of the Chancellor ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To the Campus Community:
I am appalled by the thoughtless and hurtful comments of a UCLA student posted on YouTube. Like many of you, I recoil when someone invokes the right of free expression to demean other individuals or groups.
This one act certainly does not represent the views of our UCLA community. Our community is built on mutual respect and civility, and we are committed to fostering an environment that values and supports every member of the community. It is most unfortunate that a single clip on the Internet undermines that environment by expressing hurtful and shameful ideas about others in our community. I believe that speech that expresses intolerance toward any group of people on the basis of race or gender, or sexual, religious or cultural identity is indefensible and has no place at UCLA.
Let this incident serve as a reminder of our collective responsibility to confront hateful and ignorant speech and to uphold UCLA’s core values of respect and integrity.
Sincerely,
Gene D. Block Chancellor
what a surprise.. in response to a light-hearted video, the administration spews out a generic letter written like a lawyer/robot. I guess thats what they're paid to do
Disregarding the context of this letter, what, do you want administration to write like school girls?
Hearting the i and writing in purple really does help.
So don't let people like this girl say these things at school! <3 xoxo love you lots lol bffls
Is it bad that the first thing I saw when I saw that vid was "tits or gtfo!" ...that was my second and third thought too...>.>
But more on topic, some of the stuff she talks about isn't limited to just Asians. It's the case for a ton of people. People being obnoxiously loud on their phone occurs in blond bimbos just as much as it does in Asian people.
EPT
