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As the title states, I'm not really enjoying the game right now. I took a few days off because I wasn't really having much fun. This is a list of what happened in the latest games I have played after the break:
(PS I play Protoss and am in mid masters or something like that, if being in the top 1% of all North American Star 2 players matters at all)
Game 1: A PvP on Scrap Station. Oh yay. The only real viable build is 4 gate, so I go ahead and do that. My opponent does the same thing, but apparently he sucks ass so his cyber core is 30 whole seconds later if not longer, had less probes even though I cut the standard fuck-ton you do so when 4 gating in PvP. Needless to say it was an easy, if not hollow and pointless win. It seems that Protoss' are either really good or suck balls. It ashames me that a player who can't even pull off the easiest Protoss build in the game got into masters.
Game 2: PvZ on Steppes. I'd normally ask "Why the hell Zerg's don't veto this map?" but really it's because of all the free wins they get from all-inning. This time it's the 3 roach ling all-in. I scout it, but apparently 4 gate and walling in isn't fast enough to stop it. I almost did too, but what happens is that just when you have almost stabilized and say to yourself "K I got this" A new batch of lings runs up to punch you in the gut.
Game 3: PvP on Steppes. He 2 gate proxied me but those are not very hard to stop. I make another gate, stall for a bit, and just trade zealots with him as my probe advantage comes into play and I can overpower him. Not much to say apart from the fact that this was the most fun game I played today, which is sad.
Game 4: PvT on Xel' Naga. I 4 gate him because he has the word "rush" in his name. He went for a 2 rax expand, so since Terran can expand and fully commit to an attack at the same time he did so, got a free stalker as I moved out to set up my proxy pylon and pushed into my base, easily seeing the 4 gates. I lost a few units but traded evenly, so I went out to set up my pylon again, because from what I have learned from experience is that most Terran's will expand like a robot if that's what their build is, and guess what? As my units set up in his natural he tries to move out down the ramp with a smaller army, CC floating in, and he gets utterly smashed. Every Terran I play seems to see a 4 gate and say to themselves "I guess that means I can make more marauders and expand amirite?" when really its more effective imo than 4 gate in PvZ. At least he GG'd, which is a first. Overall a decent game I suppose, though not the most fun as I don't like 4 gating too much. It's good to work on the micro against imbarines and imbarauders though.
Game 5: PvT with the same guy on Xel' Naga, again. I go for a 1 gate FE because it basically looks like the same thing as a 4 gate until the nexus gets thrown down. It probably worked because all he did was make 4 rax and all in me over and over again. The first 3 times I came out ahead, though he apparently managed to expand in the meantime. In the end I lost because we traded armies so much that the imbastim slowly pushed everything towards into his favor. By the time I had Collosus it was too late because my army was just too small, and then I got mined out in my main and was basically screwed. Terran is the only race who can all in against a FE opponent, completely fail, expand and still win later on. If it were a Zerg or Toss all in you could just counter and win.
Game 6: PvZ on Metalopolis. I breathe a sigh of relief. Until I scout that we were in close positions. See, I have this awful habit of losing no matter what if my race is favored in a certain position. See exhibit A: my PvZ winrate was ~25% on Jungle Basin. Everything looks normal, I deny his hatch first with a pylon, and scout what looks like a speedling opening. I am like, OK, everything is going fine. However, my 2nd and 3rd gate in my 3 gate expand build was probably 10 or so seconds late, and that's what it takes to lose when your opponent roach ling allin's you. Of course it's impossible to scout since he killed the pylon with lings at the standard time, and have lings outside your base so you can't sneak a probe out to see if he actually expanded, which is what I usually try to do. I type "I wish every Zerg I play wouldn't all in me" and after the game he spouts the usual "ZvP close metal is hell for Zerg stfu toss noob" and then "QQ" after the game when I tell him to leave me alone. Funny how Zerg is the only race that can fully justify cheesing the fuck out of everything with imbalance, even though their cheeses are better than everyone elses'.
I find another game vs a random on Xel' Naga. However I realize that the game is no fun so I leave and exit Starcraft. I have done this more than once too :\
A week ago before my break when I played around 20 games in one day I got 50% PvZ, 50%+ of that were all ins, and 50% PvP. The exception is one PvRandom who spawned as Terran on Shakuras.
A protip to all you Terran players out there, if you build 20 tanks and 10+ thors against Protoss you autowin no matter what they build. Also, spend thousands of minerals on turrets everywhere, the frustration of not being able to scout anything worth shit you instill in your Protoss opponent is worth it.
The thing is, I really want to like to play this game. It can be fun at times but not when over 75% (100% in today's case) of every game has at least someone allinning or cheesing.
On a side note: I have been trying to play Brood War a fair bit recently too. Terran to be exact. BW games just look 10x more exciting then every SC2 game, and that's just watching them. Look at any BW VOD. Even the most mediocre games are more exciting than the best SC2 games, and whenever there is an epic SC2 game everyone compares it to BW. The problem I have encountered is twofold however:
1) Goddamn it is impossible to wall properly. The wall in thread is a godsend but it's still incredibly difficult to memorize specific walls that work. Especially on 4 player maps z0mg.
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2) It's impossible to get games on ICCup. Apparently people get offended from seeing "D/D- FS you P" since nobody ever joins, and I'm 99% sure that it is not due to any latency or anything because I never lag and have had people join games before. It's impossible to find an appropriate game to join as well, since everyone is at least D with 1500 points or D+, and is Korean on top of that. Sure I know I have to go through the 0-80 loss streak initiation ritual to get properly used to the game but when it takes 20 minutes to find the game it just isn't worth it to die to 2 zealots who found a hole in my wall.
gg.
  
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In PvP why not try that 3 stalker build and see if you can mix up the matchup with that?
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For the bw part :
Glad you like it !
Don't wall unless you mech TvZ. And don't mech TvZ if you're still learning.
Whenever I create a game like "D map", people join instantly. Either you're not on the right map or maybe you should drop the P part. Or just play D games, and filter out anyone above 1500.
Try OP teamliquid too.
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With regards to your comment about games on ICCUP, I wouldn't be so sure that it's not some technical problem. I don't know the details on their networking, but circumstantially my experience is that even with the correct ports opened hosting doesn't always work, sometimes I have to remake the game to get it to show up in the list. Also you should go to channel op teamliquid because there is usually someone willing to play practice games there.
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2) It's impossible to get games on ICCup. Apparently people get offended from seeing "D/D- FS you P" since nobody ever joins, and I'm 99% sure that it is not due to any latency or anything because I never lag and have had people join games before. It's impossible to find an appropriate game to join as well, since everyone is at least D with 1500 points or D+, and is Korean on top of that. Sure I know I have to go through the 0-80 loss streak initiation ritual to get properly used to the game but when it takes 20 minutes to find the game it just isn't worth it to die to 2 zealots who found a hole in my wall.
I have never had trouble with people joining "you P" games.
Also, it usually doesn't take long to find games in op teamliquid.
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terran in bw is ridiculously hard to play, if i had to guess i'd say you need probably 160+ apm minimum to be able to have enough multitask to get out of D -.-
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with that imba/whine mindset its no surprise u have no fun playing the game :D
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Do what you enjoy doing. You'll probably enjoy it more.
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On February 20 2011 06:03 Geovu wrote:
On a side note: I have been trying to play Brood War a fair bit recently too. Terran to be exact. BW games just look 10x more exciting then every SC2 game, and that's just watching them. Look at any BW VOD. Even the most mediocre games are more exciting than the best SC2 games, and whenever there is an epic SC2 game everyone compares it to BW. The problem I have encountered is twofold however:
1) Goddamn it is impossible to wall properly. The wall in thread is a godsend but it's still incredibly difficult to memorize specific walls that work. Especially on 4 player maps z0mg.
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2) It's impossible to get games on ICCup. Apparently people get offended from seeing "D/D- FS you P" since nobody ever joins, and I'm 99% sure that it is not due to any latency or anything because I never lag and have had people join games before. It's impossible to find an appropriate game to join as well, since everyone is at least D with 1500 points or D+, and is Korean on top of that. Sure I know I have to go through the 0-80 loss streak initiation ritual to get properly used to the game but when it takes 20 minutes to find the game it just isn't worth it to die to 2 zealots who found a hole in my wall.
gg.
Haha, I know what you mean. I've just started playing some BW and I was doing siege expand with terran. I played the BO a few times against the AI but it never occurred to me that building the Ebay or CC near the ramp could cause problems  So many ways to insta-lose if you mess something up.
BTW liquipedia is good for quickly finding wall-ins.
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On February 20 2011 06:14 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +2) It's impossible to get games on ICCup. Apparently people get offended from seeing "D/D- FS you P" since nobody ever joins, and I'm 99% sure that it is not due to any latency or anything because I never lag and have had people join games before. It's impossible to find an appropriate game to join as well, since everyone is at least D with 1500 points or D+, and is Korean on top of that. Sure I know I have to go through the 0-80 loss streak initiation ritual to get properly used to the game but when it takes 20 minutes to find the game it just isn't worth it to die to 2 zealots who found a hole in my wall. I have never had trouble with people joining "you P" games. Also, it usually doesn't take long to find games in op teamliquid.
When I go to that channal there is often only 1 other person there, I don't know maybe it is the time I usually try to play?
Often I end up getting on around 8-12 PM CST, which is according to the internetz right around afternoon in Korea. I didn't know Starcraft players get up that early because the only people I can find at that time are Koreans.
On February 20 2011 06:19 mcht wrote:
with that imba/whine mindset its no surprise u have no fun playing the game :D
I have that mindset because all the games I play are shit, not the other way around.
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Really I play at random times all through out the day and I have never had any trouble getting a D- or D game.
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Have you opened the ports? You can't host on BW if you don't.
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Supply depots go above barracks. Everything you need to know about walling-in with Terran.
If I were you, I'd get some of your SC2 friends to play some BW with you, that way you have people your own level who you can learn the game with.
Sadly in BW there isn't a 'MAKE PEOPLE PLAY WITH ME BUTTON' so you have to be a little sociable  Usually you can find someone willing to play on the IRC channel, if nothing else.
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Yeah I've noticed alot of Z's all-ining lately on the ladder as well. I can understand why you are annoyed.
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20 games a day? It sounds like your real problem, my friend, is simply that you're sick of the game. Try taking a longer break from SC2, playing some other games, and then coming back to it. When you do, try not playing it quite so frequently. You might enjoy it more.
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This inspired me to go back to broodwar iccup and my god im sorry but even the nostalgia couldnt win me over  game seemed laggy and unresponsive. gotta baby sit all my poor zerglings but they got raped by vultures. might play again later though. like datum said just take a break and come back to it.
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i switched to z from t today. not going back, ever. i can see your frustration about all-ins, 70% of tosses i played tried cannon rushing me, they usually switched to a late 4 gate which i rolled with my huge econ advantage and it's not really fun. the 30+ minute macro games are most fun, but they're far and few :<
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On February 20 2011 07:02 Datum wrote:
20 games a day? It sounds like your real problem, my friend, is simply that you're sick of the game. Try taking a longer break from SC2, playing some other games, and then coming back to it. When you do, try not playing it quite so frequently. You might enjoy it more.
No kidding, I can't even have sex for 5 hours a day.
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On February 20 2011 06:03 Geovu wrote:all in me over and over again
Not to be a dick or anything, but that doesn't make any sense. An all-in attack is one where it either wins the game immediately or loses the game immediately. You can't all-in more than once, you can just fully commit to an attack more than once.
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