EPTSC-like mobile game from Gameloft - Page 2
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ScoringFire
United States30 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On February 07 2011 22:45 vek wrote: In the 90s Blizzard was well known being able to take an existing idea or genre and do it better than anyone else could. They weren't really known as the company that came up with fantastic and fresh ideas. A good example of that would have to be Nintendo. The sad exception to the Blizzard rule (in my opinion!) is SC2. It just seems more and more like an attempt to cash in on the name rather than an honest attempt at making a great RTS that will stand the test of time like the original. Blizzard were actually quite innovative with StarCraft and WarCraft III. StarCraft was innovative for its time, just not ground breaking, but sure as hell brought a lot of new things to the table. WarCraft III...... was quite unique for its time, before everybody started jumping on the bandwagon. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Starcraft wasn't considered innovative for it's time, completely the opposite... i remember even partially negative reviews saying it's actually outdated mechanically compared to games like Total Annihilation. In hindsight, while TA had a lot of interesting ideas in it like actual weapon projectiles and radar (and TONS of useless units, which despite being useless reviewers were just judging by number of bad 3D modelled units it had), Starcraft was actually a much more fun game and competitive game. And Blizzard simply had a reputation for polishing other peoples ideas. Starcraft was already considered to be a game of the past already, people seemed to believe RTS was actually going to expand into something a lot more. But there will always be room for a game like SC, where realism completely takes a backseat to the abstract nature of its warfare. Marines taking down a battlecruiser for example, it's more like just chess pieces on a board. | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On February 07 2011 23:18 da_head wrote: That's how gameloft rolls. They rip off every genre possible lolol. You expect every video game company to invent entire genres? Are you kidding? The VAST majority spend their time improving on existing genres. Know why? That's where most of the money comes from, because that's what people want! Blizzard are a classic example of a strong company that takes an existing genre and makes a fucking awesome game out of it. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On February 08 2011 03:11 Bibdy wrote: You expect every video game company to invent entire genres? Are you kidding? The VAST majority spend their time improving on existing genres. Know why? That's where most of the money comes from, because that's what people want! Blizzard are a classic example of a strong company that takes an existing genre and makes a fucking awesome game out of it. Whoa i'm not sure why you're getting so angry at him for, but Gameloft literally makes exact copies of current popular games with different titles for mobile systems, they done it for years, beginning with Java game clones of whatever big name game was of the time. Check out what they actually do before getting mad at someone. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On February 08 2011 03:14 infinity2k9 wrote: Whoa i'm not sure why you're getting so angry at him for, but Gameloft literally makes exact copies of current popular games with different titles for mobile systems, they done it for years, beginning with Java game clones of whatever big name game was of the time. Check out what they actually do before getting mad at someone. I find it hard to imagine a mobile gaming company wouldn't come under scrutiny for such a thing. http://www.gameloft.com/download-games/all-games/most-recent/?request=games&selected_platform=allPlatforms&selected_sort=date&selected_show=all&page=0 There's a LOT of games there, and its not like you can afford to make a Metal Gear Solid experience on a mobile device. I don't see how its any different to what most video game companies do: Take an existing genre, take an existing game, and make it better. Or, in their case, dumb it down so it works on a mobile device. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
How can you not look at that page and not think of rip-offs? Modern Combat 2: Black Pegasus? Hero of Sparta 2? How is that not trying to completely jump on the bandwagon of popularity by trying to make their game look associated with Call of Duty and God of War? | ||
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JakeBurton
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Halo http://www.gameloft.com/psp-games/nova/?adid=101966 Modern Warfare 2 http://www.gameloft.com/android-games/modern-combat-2-black-pegasus/?adid=101966 Grand Theft Auto http://www.gameloft.com/android-games/gangstar-miami-vindication-hd/?adid=101966 Zelda http://www.gameloft.com/iphone-games/sacred-odyssey/?adid=101966 I want to quote the last one for you all "Begin your journey with but a simple sword, acquiring new weapons and abilities along the way. Soon, you will wield the Sacred Shield, Locrian Hawk (boomerang), the Nagual Cobra (grappling hook) and even the platinum Gauntlet of Brakor." I don't think Zelda ever had the platinum Guantlet of Brakor. Looks like a day one purchase. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On February 08 2011 04:13 infinity2k9 wrote: I dunno why you find it hard to believe, if you were familar with the mobile sector at all you'd know they completely rip off other games all the times. Such as: Angry Bird clones with other names but exact gameplay for a recent example. Gameloft's legitimate stuff is mainly Ubisoft ports they get allowed to do, but they also do the same as many other mobile devs and just capitalize on a popular current game. They just own more legit licenses than most. How can you not look at that page and not think of rip-offs? Modern Combat 2: Black Pegasus? Hero of Sparta 2? How is that not trying to completely jump on the bandwagon of popularity by trying to make their game look associated with Call of Duty and God of War? I'm not saying they're not rip-offs. I'm just saying it happens all the time, because that's what people want. If people didn't buy them, then they wouldn't do it. And I can only assume they're good games on top of it, if not, they'd sell even worse and the company would go out of business. The guy I originally responded to was seemingly expecting that every video game company was out there forging new ground. Its kind of a weird nexus in the industry. You've got years of awesome gameplay fleshed out in the last 20 years of video gaming, on high-tech devices, and all of a sudden there's this emerging market with tons of demand for good games, but on low-tech devices. Who wouldn't look at those great games and try to hit that market hard and fast with lots of good stuff? Gameloft are just doing what everyone else (in the mobile market development scene) is doing, so I think its a little unfair to single them out. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
eq was a ripoff of UO, if we're going by that standard =P | ||
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JakeBurton
74 Posts
On February 08 2011 04:26 Bibdy wrote: I'm not saying they're not rip-offs. I'm just saying it happens all the time, because that's what people want. If people didn't buy them, then they wouldn't do it. And I can only assume they're good games on top of it, if not, they'd sell even worse and the company would go out of business. The guy I originally responded to was seemingly expecting that every video game company was out there forging new ground. Its kind of a weird nexus in the industry. You've got years of awesome gameplay fleshed out in the last 20 years of video gaming, on high-tech devices, and all of a sudden there's this emerging market with tons of demand for good games, but on low-tech devices. Who wouldn't look at those great games and try to hit that market hard and fast with lots of good stuff? Gameloft are just doing what everyone else (in the mobile market development scene) is doing, so I think its a little unfair to single them out. On the contrary, I think it's totally fair to single them out for producing horrible knock offs. Just because lots of people are producing horrible knock offs doesn't mean they aren't guilty of producing cultural diarrhea. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 08 2011 00:08 gautamvirk86 wrote: OMFG lulzzz its the exact same copy, they definatly should be sued Warcraft. Warhammer. Let's not have any double standards here. Starcraft takes elements whole-cloth from Warhammer 40,000, nobody kicks up a stink about that. Derirative work != Rip-off. Similar? Certainly? "Inspired by?", definitely. Rip-off? Not really. It's a 3 race space RTS with a simple resource system. It was not uncommon during the RTS boom, to see huge amounts of derirative, similar RTS games. Why is it suddenly not ok now? | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On February 08 2011 04:29 JakeBurton wrote: On the contrary, I think it's totally fair to single them out for producing horrible knock offs. Just because lots of people are producing horrible knock offs doesn't mean they aren't guilty of producing cultural diarrhea. They do face a lot of design and development challenges in bringing these games to the mobile market, so its not like they're just copy-pasting a bunch of code a calling it a day. Its all supply and demand at the end of the day. There's demand for it, and they're supplying. If it sucks, or nobody wants it, they wouldn't bother doing it. If it wasn't for this 'cultural diarrhea' you speak of, with tons of crap people were willing to spend money on, the economy wouldn't be as strong as it is. We'd still be trading our sheepskins for a basket of apples. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On February 08 2011 04:35 TotalBiscuit wrote: Warcraft. Warhammer. Let's not have any double standards here. Starcraft takes elements whole-cloth from Warhammer 40,000, nobody kicks up a stink about that. Derirative work != Rip-off. Similar? Certainly? "Inspired by?", definitely. Rip-off? Not really. It's a 3 race space RTS with a simple resource system. It was not uncommon during the RTS boom, to see huge amounts of derirative, similar RTS games. Why is it suddenly not ok now? While i agree and already mentioned the space RTS was actually pretty common at one point, the Warhammer/Warcraft and 40k comparisons are further complicated by the fact that Warhammer is heavily inspired by works before it as well, it just draws from so many different sources. The Eldar/Protoss Zerg/Tyranid thing is pretty bad though. I was expecting something like the Necrons as a new race in SC2, a Terran experiment gone wrong or however they'd explain it. And i wasn't picking on Gameloft i said, the whole industry does it. But it's really really blatant for mobile games. For example you wouldn't get a PSP game wholesale ripping off a DS game to the extent shown there, or on regular consoles. They don't need to name the games similarly so people think there's a connection, and it kinda devalues the whole mobile platform, but they do though because i suppose its effective. | ||
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Hopstick
United States79 Posts
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