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Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 31 2011 01:00 GMT
#1
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I just can't seem to beat Protoss in the late game with terran. I don't want to cry and rage, but I feel like late game protoss is a little imba/OP. When they have colossus, high templars, sentries, stalkers, I just can't do anything. My armies melt like hot knives through butter. I get ghosts for EMP, I get vikings for the colossus, they have observers with their armies so they feedback my ghosts, then their HTs storm everything I have. I just don't know what else to do at this point. Help please? Anyone? I'm 1300 Diamond Terran, US Server, Fealorin.945.

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_hate
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Japan112 Posts
January 31 2011 01:03 GMT
#2
if they dont go stargate go thors
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 31 2011 01:04 GMT
#3
replays por favor.
Are you clumping your units??
Replays so we dont give general repetitive tips.
wat wat in my pants
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 31 2011 01:05 GMT
#4
Ok, I'll look up all my replays and post them. This will take a while though. Standby everyone.
5unrise
Profile Joined May 2009
New Zealand646 Posts
January 31 2011 01:08 GMT
#5
I know your pain... but zerg against protoss lategame is even harder ;; Maybe try mech against protoss? I don't know since I don't play terran but it seemed viable in the gsl, wish I can help more
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 31 2011 01:12 GMT
#6
How/Where can I upload replays?
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 31 2011 01:15 GMT
#7
gamereplays.org
wat wat in my pants
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 31 2011 01:37 GMT
#8
My last 9 TvP matches

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Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
January 31 2011 01:39 GMT
#9
Almost expected a suicide thread....
It is what it is...
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
January 31 2011 01:45 GMT
#10
Haha, thought you needed mental help for depression or something. Anyway....

Have you tried the mech transition? Late game I find tanks + thors + emps to be a pretty solid combo. I'm Oreo.729 if you wanna practice, I'm a diamond protoss =]
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2574 Posts
January 31 2011 01:47 GMT
#11
Hey man. I'll give you a heads up because what I'm saying is true, and a lot of people agree with me.
Protoss is favored in the late game. If you want to keep playing for late game then do it, the practice will be worth it.
If winning is what you want then construct all-in builds, since all-in is very strong vs protoss you should do fine.
It's up for debate whether P is overpowered late game, if you disagree then imo you're not at a high enough level - keep practicing.

I'm watching countless replays and trying so hard. It makes me depressed sometimes when I put everything I have into the game and lose, especially when they're not trying as hard. (forcefields not being used in large battles that would tip their favor greatly, spreading, ETC ).

I'm going to work on a build that transitions from bio to mech.
Wishing you well.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 31 2011 01:53 GMT
#12
You're discouraged, not depressed :3
Have you been to our SC2 Strategy section? I really hated ZvP (still do), but they helped a lot!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 31 2011 01:56 GMT
#13
On January 31 2011 10:53 Torte de Lini wrote:
You're discouraged, not depressed :3
Have you been to our SC2 Strategy section? I really hated ZvP (still do), but they helped a lot!


I have not, I'll check it out tho.
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 02:00:16
January 31 2011 01:58 GMT
#14
On January 31 2011 10:45 Gentleman7 wrote:
Haha, thought you needed mental help for depression or something. Anyway....

Have you tried the mech transition? Late game I find tanks + thors + emps to be a pretty solid combo. I'm Oreo.729 if you wanna practice, I'm a diamond protoss =]


I don't have mech unit control down yet. I hardly/never play with mech, so I don't quite know how to play with them. When I do, I think I'm too aggressive. I love mobility and being able to do drops. Mech doesn't really allow me to be very mobile and thus I can't be as aggressive as I would like. I have to play more passive with mech because I don't quite know how to handle it yet.

Also, it says I cannot find you on battle.net; are you sure you have the right character code?
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
January 31 2011 02:05 GMT
#15
On January 31 2011 10:47 Kyhol wrote:
Hey man. I'll give you a heads up because what I'm saying is true, and a lot of people agree with me.
Protoss is favored in the late game. If you want to keep playing for late game then do it, the practice will be worth it.
If winning is what you want then construct all-in builds, since all-in is very strong vs protoss you should do fine.
It's up for debate whether P is overpowered late game, if you disagree then imo you're not at a high enough level - keep practicing.

I'm watching countless replays and trying so hard. It makes me depressed sometimes when I put everything I have into the game and lose, especially when they're not trying as hard. (forcefields not being used in large battles that would tip their favor greatly, spreading, ETC ).

I'm going to work on a build that transitions from bio to mech.


I'll disagree with that largely, and altho im not at the very top of masters (i work crazy hours, only get to play ~10 hours a week), im up there enough to face top players semi-often.

Terran even if they dont play all-in's (which is fucking retarded with mules) can still be VERY deadly in the mid-late game vs protoss.. Keep in mind, terran can suicide your whole army basically and have a new army up in seconds, while protoss's main army (ie anything other than zeal/stalker) is very expensive/costly. If you manage to do an army trade, and take out all his collosus/immortal/temp, you will come ahead in the longrun if it keeps happening.

Just watch GSL matches, watch how the top terrans like MVP deal with protoss.. Using their drops to maximum effect (i mean, healing dropships!) just makes it so hard for protoss to defend at all locations at once. Its just that most terrans do not have the skill yet to take advantage of this fact, but once they do, we'll stop hearing the ridiculous "Protoss is OP lategame" arguments.

The matchup is very close to balanced right now, anyone whining either way is just solely whining. Either side should be able to win if they play good, point blank.

I'd like to see some stats from GSL about PvT games which lasted past 20 minutes, and see who won most of them. I would guarentee its at least very close to even, if not T in the lead.

My advice if you are truely struggling with TvP so hard and think its so easy to play protoss (im dissapointed in you Kyhol for saying that, someone at your level shouldnt say things like that..).. then play P at a top level for afew weeks and see how "easy" it really is. I personally random at 2800 masters, and I dont see any problem on either side of TvP, other than SCV/3rax allins being insta-win
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
January 31 2011 02:09 GMT
#16
On January 31 2011 11:05 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 10:47 Kyhol wrote:
Hey man. I'll give you a heads up because what I'm saying is true, and a lot of people agree with me.
Protoss is favored in the late game. If you want to keep playing for late game then do it, the practice will be worth it.
If winning is what you want then construct all-in builds, since all-in is very strong vs protoss you should do fine.
It's up for debate whether P is overpowered late game, if you disagree then imo you're not at a high enough level - keep practicing.

I'm watching countless replays and trying so hard. It makes me depressed sometimes when I put everything I have into the game and lose, especially when they're not trying as hard. (forcefields not being used in large battles that would tip their favor greatly, spreading, ETC ).

I'm going to work on a build that transitions from bio to mech.


I'll disagree with that largely, and altho im not at the very top of masters (i work crazy hours, only get to play ~10 hours a week), im up there enough to face top players semi-often.

Terran even if they dont play all-in's (which is fucking retarded with mules) can still be VERY deadly in the mid-late game vs protoss.. Keep in mind, terran can suicide your whole army basically and have a new army up in seconds, while protoss's main army (ie anything other than zeal/stalker) is very expensive/costly. If you manage to do an army trade, and take out all his collosus/immortal/temp, you will come ahead in the longrun if it keeps happening.

Just watch GSL matches, watch how the top terrans like MVP deal with protoss.. Using their drops to maximum effect (i mean, healing dropships!) just makes it so hard for protoss to defend at all locations at once. Its just that most terrans do not have the skill yet to take advantage of this fact, but once they do, we'll stop hearing the ridiculous "Protoss is OP lategame" arguments.

The matchup is very close to balanced right now, anyone whining either way is just solely whining. Either side should be able to win if they play good, point blank.

I'd like to see some stats from GSL about PvT games which lasted past 20 minutes, and see who won most of them. I would guarentee its at least very close to even, if not T in the lead.

My advice if you are truely struggling with TvP so hard and think its so easy to play protoss (im dissapointed in you Kyhol for saying that, someone at your level shouldnt say things like that..).. then play P at a top level for afew weeks and see how "easy" it really is. I personally random at 2800 masters, and I dont see any problem on either side of TvP, other than SCV/3rax allins being insta-win

whats stopping toss from rushing your main when you have half your army on a dropping spree around the map...
wat wat in my pants
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 02:26:24
January 31 2011 02:23 GMT
#17
On January 31 2011 11:05 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 10:47 Kyhol wrote:
Hey man. I'll give you a heads up because what I'm saying is true, and a lot of people agree with me.
Protoss is favored in the late game. If you want to keep playing for late game then do it, the practice will be worth it.
If winning is what you want then construct all-in builds, since all-in is very strong vs protoss you should do fine.
It's up for debate whether P is overpowered late game, if you disagree then imo you're not at a high enough level - keep practicing.

I'm watching countless replays and trying so hard. It makes me depressed sometimes when I put everything I have into the game and lose, especially when they're not trying as hard. (forcefields not being used in large battles that would tip their favor greatly, spreading, ETC ).

I'm going to work on a build that transitions from bio to mech.


I'll disagree with that largely, and altho im not at the very top of masters (i work crazy hours, only get to play ~10 hours a week), im up there enough to face top players semi-often.

Terran even if they dont play all-in's (which is fucking retarded with mules) can still be VERY deadly in the mid-late game vs protoss.. Keep in mind, terran can suicide your whole army basically and have a new army up in seconds, while protoss's main army (ie anything other than zeal/stalker) is very expensive/costly. If you manage to do an army trade, and take out all his collosus/immortal/temp, you will come ahead in the longrun if it keeps happening.

Just watch GSL matches, watch how the top terrans like MVP deal with protoss.. Using their drops to maximum effect (i mean, healing dropships!) just makes it so hard for protoss to defend at all locations at once. Its just that most terrans do not have the skill yet to take advantage of this fact, but once they do, we'll stop hearing the ridiculous "Protoss is OP lategame" arguments.

The matchup is very close to balanced right now, anyone whining either way is just solely whining. Either side should be able to win if they play good, point blank.

I'd like to see some stats from GSL about PvT games which lasted past 20 minutes, and see who won most of them. I would guarentee its at least very close to even, if not T in the lead.

My advice if you are truely struggling with TvP so hard and think its so easy to play protoss (im dissapointed in you Kyhol for saying that, someone at your level shouldnt say things like that..).. then play P at a top level for afew weeks and see how "easy" it really is. I personally random at 2800 masters, and I dont see any problem on either side of TvP, other than SCV/3rax allins being insta-win


Not faster than another round of warp-ins

Protoss can have a new army in 5 seconds. Literally 5 seconds. You're saying Terran outproduces Protoss after an army trade? Last I checked nothing Terran has builds in 5 seconds.

Expensive units taking long to make? Templar take 5 seconds to make...

If you fail to kill all the expensive units? Expect to get rolled hard next encounter

Dropping everywhere? You said you're at near the top of the ladder. Therefore you should be familiar with the phoenix colossus combos that are so common. You /will/ lose your entire drop if you drop against a good Protoss.

Healing dropships? Not so healing when they get feedbacked and instantly blown up. Yes, you can stim your guys to drain the energy or EMP the medivac, but then there goes your healing. A templar warpin and zealots will completely trash your drop.

Also there's no proof that once Terran use drops more that the late game will be balanced at all. You're just hypothetically stating it. And Protoss can drop just as effectively. Warp prisms?
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Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 31 2011 03:06 GMT
#18
Really, protoss can drop more effectively than terran because a warp prism has the potential to warp in from every gateway the protoss has. What frogmelter says about protoss macro and army production is true. Once in late game, protoss is unstoppable if they have a good number of gateways. No matter how much of them you kill, they'll just keep warping in reinfrocements, and with enough chronoboost, the gateways will be replenished easily, thus increasing reinforcement rates.

Anyways, aside from the flaming that's going on, let's try to be adults and work this one out and come up with a solution to my problem please. I am only going to resort to crying about toss being imba/OP late game if I've literally exhausted every possible resource that I have at trying to overcome protoss late game. I am going to admit that my skills need much polishing and there are many new skills that I can use that I haven't touched upon yet such as going for a mech build. I don't know how to play with mech yet, and it is something I need to learn. There's much I need to learn and many skills I can acquire and I'd really much like to do that and learn from those who do know how it's done.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 31 2011 03:23 GMT
#19
If losing at Starcraft honestly depresses you(or any game for that matter)
I suggest you seek professional help
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
January 31 2011 03:30 GMT
#20
On January 31 2011 10:58 Fealorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 10:45 Gentleman7 wrote:
Haha, thought you needed mental help for depression or something. Anyway....

Have you tried the mech transition? Late game I find tanks + thors + emps to be a pretty solid combo. I'm Oreo.729 if you wanna practice, I'm a diamond protoss =]


I don't have mech unit control down yet. I hardly/never play with mech, so I don't quite know how to play with them. When I do, I think I'm too aggressive. I love mobility and being able to do drops. Mech doesn't really allow me to be very mobile and thus I can't be as aggressive as I would like. I have to play more passive with mech because I don't quite know how to handle it yet.

Also, it says I cannot find you on battle.net; are you sure you have the right character code?


I just name changed from Gentleman (I was sleepy and decided I really liked oreos) so try that name too. If not, i'll try to remember to add you tomorrow morning.
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
January 31 2011 07:12 GMT
#21
Anyone else going to actually try to help me instead of QQing about TvP "imbalances"?
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
January 31 2011 07:39 GMT
#22
Place mines at your flanks. (just kidding)

Get some tanks I guess, and make a concave when attacking, it will minimize storm damage and maximize your damage output and make it easier to micro parts of the army if needed. (it will maximize colossus damage though, but for them make vikings)

You can focus on macro more, so you just replenish stuff faster than your opponent. You can turtle with bunkers and some tanks and just creep from expansion to expansion, taking them all. OR you can try to end the game before late game.

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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 31 2011 08:13 GMT
#23
you're 1300 diamond. you have a toooooooon of room for improvement. don't get depressed, you can keep improving no problem. it just takes time and effort. keep playing.
Fealorin
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
February 02 2011 01:11 GMT
#24
Thanks for the support, guys.
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