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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 20:03:19
January 12 2011 17:01 GMT
#1
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NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
January 12 2011 17:07 GMT
#2
catering to casuals? what are you talking about -.-
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
January 12 2011 17:07 GMT
#3
Delete Bronze league and problem is solved
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
January 12 2011 17:09 GMT
#4
I think they would benefit a lot more from just raising the requirements for each league rather than adding new ones because the old ones get too easy. Would be happier with silver / bronze skill level being bronze league, gold + mid platinum being silver league, high plat - low diamond is gold league, mid diamond is plat, and the high diamonds have their own league.

With the addition of a new league bronze / silver / gold are even more horrible and meaningless than they already were.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
January 12 2011 17:09 GMT
#5
Wait for the GRAND MASTER league.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
January 12 2011 17:11 GMT
#6
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Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
January 12 2011 17:14 GMT
#7
Why, Blizzard, why do you keep catering to casual players?:/


because of $$
Dess.JadeFalcon
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
January 12 2011 17:17 GMT
#8
I was just reading the Blizzard EU post about the patch release, and interestingly all of the comments on there were talking about how Blizz needs to be more newb friendly and re-introduce the copper league. Funny how glaringly different viewpoints can be over the same change. I don't envy Blizzard's job.
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
January 12 2011 17:32 GMT
#9
On January 13 2011 02:14 Kalingingsong wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why, Blizzard, why do you keep catering to casual players?:/


because of $$


Yep.

More people are casual players than "hard core gamers." Casual players pay Blizzard the same amount for the game as the "hard core" so why not cater to them? Gogo Activision and their money hungry, e-sport hating business managers.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Where's the counter?"
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
January 12 2011 17:36 GMT
#10
So, you're complaining that it's too easy to get into master, but too hard to get into GM and then blame them for catering to casuals?

I mean, yeah, I can kinda see your point. They could have tweaked the percentages a bit better but you're really nitpicking here.

Either set GM as your goal or don't. There is no reason not to.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
January 12 2011 17:40 GMT
#11
On January 13 2011 02:11 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 02:09 Saechiis wrote:
Wait for the GRAND MASTER league.

Like I said, I'm not good/active enough to get into gm. But I'm still competitive enough to actually want a challenge and something I could be proud of getting into. Not this..

LOL, so you're not good enough for Grandmaster league so you want a league harder than Master League and easier than GM league to get into?

How can you complain that blizzard is catering to casuals when YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO CATER TO YOU, NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE TOP 200.
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
January 12 2011 17:42 GMT
#12
Same happened to me, except I havent played ladder in a good 2.5 months. Sitting on 1500+ bonus pool and chillin out in Masters.
beep beep boop
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
January 12 2011 17:43 GMT
#13
lol, haha is masters seriously just ~mid diamond +.

not logged on since 1.2 but hahahhaa.
ESV Mapmaking!
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 12 2011 18:00 GMT
#14
Here you go, some numbers for perspective.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=183608
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
fdsdfg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 12 2011 18:04 GMT
#15
Copper -> Plat
people didn't feel good enough about themselves
Bronze -> Diamond
people didn't feel good enough about themselves
Bronze -> Masters

Bronze gone soon I bet
aka Siyko
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 12 2011 18:06 GMT
#16
On January 13 2011 03:04 fdsdfg wrote:
Copper -> Plat
people didn't feel good enough about themselves
Bronze -> Diamond
people didn't feel good enough about themselves
Bronze -> Masters

Bronze gone soon I bet



I think people need to realize the difference between people who visit teamliquid.net and people who don't. There is a huge skill gap between someone who learned the game and someone who just plays for fun. The skill of players on teamliquid is significantly skewed towards diamond.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
January 12 2011 18:06 GMT
#17
On January 13 2011 02:43 Grebliv wrote:
lol, haha is masters seriously just ~mid diamond +.

not logged on since 1.2 but hahahhaa.


yes it is
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
January 12 2011 18:08 GMT
#18
ultimately it just means ppl who are 'hard core' just have to work around these problems (such as ranking systems geared towards casual gamers). if something like sc2ranks can track wins and losses, I don't see why better players can eventually create their own ranking system that uses different calculations etc...
Dess.JadeFalcon
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 12 2011 18:13 GMT
#19
On January 13 2011 03:04 fdsdfg wrote:
Copper -> Plat
people didn't feel good enough about themselves
Bronze -> Diamond
people didn't feel good enough about themselves
Bronze -> Masters

Bronze gone soon I bet

Fast forward to Diamond -> Super Duper Grand Master Champions.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-12 18:21:29
January 12 2011 18:20 GMT
#20
one part of the problem is purely psychological. The leagues are named after precious metals (mmm "diamonds" soo expensive), and wooooo "MASTERS". Just name them something else and people would probably have less of a problem:

rename:

bronze => lower beginner
silver => beginner
gold => upper beginner
platinum => D
diamond => C
masters => B
grandmasters => A


people saying that they are B rank 2000, is probably more fitting than saying they are "MASTOR WooooOOooo" 2000.
Dess.JadeFalcon
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