• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:13
CET 06:13
KST 14:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 284HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? 2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Quickbooks Payroll Service Official Guide Quickbooks Customer Service Official Guide
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1535 users

Piano lovers! Listen!

Blogs > t3tsubo
Post a Reply
Normal
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
December 15 2010 23:31 GMT
#1
Hello, I found this gem of a song deep in the internets. Composed by my RL friend who only ever uploaded it onto an obscure site, but which got more popularized after he appeared in the running as a finalist for Oprah's world most talented kids show.

Give it a listen:


HeyitsClay
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada336 Posts
December 15 2010 23:35 GMT
#2
thats some amazing stuff right there, thnx =D
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
December 15 2010 23:36 GMT
#3
The chords are far too boring and typical. I don't care what he does with them.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 15 2010 23:38 GMT
#4
a generic chord progression, folllowed by uninspired embellishment on top of it?
no thanks
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 16 2010 00:02 GMT
#5
sounds nice, but yes, there isn't much musical content.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 16 2010 00:05 GMT
#6
At first I thought it was just Beethoven's Moonlight. Then it changed to something else. That was surprising.

It sounds nice, but that can be said about so many other songs as well...
Hello
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
December 16 2010 00:10 GMT
#7
Not bad, just wish his progression wasn't so repetitive.

Now if you want real waves..I'd check out Chopin's ocean etude. Those are some real waves =P
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 00:18:26
December 16 2010 00:11 GMT
#8
vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V ad infinitum...

I might have been able to say that it sounds nice if my ears weren't so well-trained to recognize and hate 4-chord songs.

Let me modify that: it's not that I entirely hate 4-chord songs; it's just that I hate 4-chord songs that people try to pass off as serious music. And that is simply an epidemic among teenagers that like to compose piano pieces.

And it's not redeemed at all by the erratic embellishments. I might be able to make an exception if it were like Pachelbel's Canon which involves actually a good accompaniment to its boring chord progression, but the embellishments to this are also way too boring. Just riffing on the chord, no sense of melody at all.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
December 16 2010 00:27 GMT
#9
Check out the Axis of Awesome song for a small compilation of (the many) four chord songs!
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2094 Posts
December 16 2010 00:34 GMT
#10
Well, it's kinda atmospheric. Unfortunately there's a lot of this kind of music already. It's not very difficult to make. I was also a bit disapointed with the actual technical ability of whoever played it. The rythm just wasn't crisp.

Sorry.

Time for the master: Beethoven op.13c.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 16 2010 00:43 GMT
#11
Listening... yes... everything is vi-IV-I-V...
Heyyy the chords changed mid-way! It's just vi-IV-vi-IV now! Sometimes even using secondary dominant (V/vi) to lead into vi openings!
Ok now it's going vi-V-iv-V/vi (or III#). So basically, three main chord patterns, sure beats the ONE-pattern songs (see: 99% of pop songs today worldwide).

Still, all three patterns that I recognized are very generic, and there isn't any conscious attempt to break out or at least give it some variability in terms of rhythmic content or anything. Straight running notes whether it be 16ths or 8ths or triplets or whatever. The fact that it's in the most familiar key (C) doesn't help conceal its generic-ness, since most people (as demonstrated above by many replies) can easily recognize the patterns and soon become bored.

Another thing I wasn't too fond of was the frequent use of deep chords (i.e. using very low keys on the piano to give it a heavier bass sound). I think the song reached two-three octaves below the middle C too soon. Deep chords should be used near the climax, at the climax, or for other intended effects that are not at the opening bit of the song. Since the theme is waves, it feels like the waves started too deep and too powerful too soon. It's not the right hand arpeggios and how hard you play them that dictate the power, it's usually the left hand chords and the bass notes. I think the deeper chords should have been used more sparingly.

More on the theme of the song, "waves". There should be variability in power, which is somewhat observed by the change in dynamics and intensity (faster/slower note progressions in the right hand), but not so often. How come the waves die out then intensify so quickly? I can't feel a good momentum either way, it changes too soon (but the chord progressions don't change soon enough).

All that being said, still a good attempt at composition. I can see that the composer has a sense of harmony. Perhaps the next step will be to find a central theme (NOT a central repeatable chord progression) that can unify the song and allow the composer to build/relieve tension and momentum. Good beginning composition for a 10-12 year old aspiring composer, perhaps not so good if the composer is near/in adulthood and considering musical composition as a career.
[TLMS] REBOOT
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 16 2010 00:43 GMT
#12

gg
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 16 2010 00:52 GMT
#13
On December 16 2010 09:43 Plexa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byGI1mDi3no
gg

out of all the pianists u could choose to make your point, you choose bruno...



gg
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
December 16 2010 00:52 GMT
#14
lol, I think it's kind of a a slam dunk to say that Liszt > random dude.

I get kinda bothered by how the pianist in Plexa's video keeps looking up and making faces. I dunno if it helps him get into the music, but it certainly isn't helping me.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 00:54:37
December 16 2010 00:53 GMT
#15
On December 16 2010 09:43 Plexa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byGI1mDi3no
gg

inappropriate :[

cmon, a kid wrote it! and then you have to post that junk!

sigh...


On December 16 2010 09:52 Slithe wrote:
lol, I think it's kind of a a slam dunk to say that Liszt > random dude.

I get kinda bothered by how the pianist in Plexa's video keeps looking up and making faces. I dunno if it helps him get into the music, but it certainly isn't helping me.

maksim's done worse, just watch his other videos. absolutely horrid.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Rising_Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States370 Posts
December 16 2010 01:13 GMT
#16


The oboist is horrific, either an old recording or English playstyle. However, Schumann is mega epic.
Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man stupid and blind in the eyes
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 01:25:34
December 16 2010 01:22 GMT
#17
Sounds like something I'd compose in my teenage years. Oh wait.

EDIT: After listening through, I won't deny that it takes technical skill to play, but it really just sounds like a sad ripoff of Pachebel's Canon.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 16 2010 01:24 GMT
#18
Just wondering, has anyone here composed anything? And, if so, would they mind sharing it- I'm curious as to what TL can do? There are obviously a lot of talented musicians around here.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
December 16 2010 01:36 GMT
#19
Sounds similar to Carly Comando's song too:
zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
December 16 2010 02:44 GMT
#20
maksim -> cziffra -> lipatti...good progression

here are two of my favorites, true giants of the piano:

Gilels
+ Show Spoiler +




Richter
+ Show Spoiler +




Gilels, especially....he leaves me speechless

+ Show Spoiler +

hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXU7I_Yyi2Y

xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
December 16 2010 03:04 GMT
#21
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
December 16 2010 03:09 GMT
#22
sounds like sunshine
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 03:10:34
December 16 2010 03:10 GMT
#23
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 16 2010 03:11 GMT
#24
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?

music major
serious pianist with wins at multiple competitions
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
December 16 2010 03:27 GMT
#25
oh cool another piano-related thread turned "share some cool piano music" thread
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
December 16 2010 03:32 GMT
#26
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?


Are you asking this question because you think a bunch of people are bullshitting, or because you are legitimately curious about their level of experience?
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
December 16 2010 03:34 GMT
#27
On December 16 2010 12:32 Slithe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?


Are you asking this question because you think a bunch of people are bullshitting, or because you are legitimately curious about their level of experience?


Legitimately asking, I am a music composition major and I'm just curious.

lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
December 16 2010 03:43 GMT
#28
Ah ... you're right mahnini.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 16 2010 04:00 GMT
#29
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?

ARCT in Piano Performance
Several large-scale music arrangements including Chicago and Ray Charles songs
[TLMS] REBOOT
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 05:31:07
December 16 2010 05:30 GMT
#30
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?

hours on top of hours listening to classical music. i have decent knowledge in piano recordings although i tend to the earlier 20th century side

well i do know how to play the piano

but not much other than that
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
December 16 2010 18:35 GMT
#31
Keeping this thread alive because I'm sad that I missed a classical music sharing thread.

A piece by Chopin that shows how a good chord progression can make a song:



On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?


Just a general musical upbringing. Music has pretty much been the center of my hobbies my whole life. As far as actual experience goes, I played the French horn for a while, and I play mediocre piano (my technique and endurance is awful, but I can learn the notes for most pieces), and I sing. I also have perfect pitch. But my music theory sense is much better than any solid, practical ability or knowledge that I have.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 19:32:01
December 16 2010 19:29 GMT
#32
THIS is musical talent:


Borge improvised over a piece he had heard before, but never played. Mind blowing
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 16 2010 19:38 GMT
#33
^ I think he has heard of it many, many times before... it's the ever-so-popular Czardas by V. Monti. Still, the improvised accompaniment is very impressive. He adjusts to the violin soloist's pace quite readily, but I suppose that just comes with years of experience.
[TLMS] REBOOT
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
December 16 2010 19:45 GMT
#34
for those who dont know about music they feel this is super good. But its quite easy to play if you know a bit of piano. There ARE more talented kids out there.
in The Kong line forever
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 11h 47m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 156
Shuttle 104
Hyuk 73
GoRush 36
ZergMaN 23
Bale 17
Icarus 11
Dota 2
XaKoH 320
NeuroSwarm116
febbydoto6
League of Legends
JimRising 805
C9.Mang0449
Counter-Strike
Foxcn295
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox392
Mew2King137
Other Games
summit1g6633
RuFF_SC2140
Livibee128
Hui .89
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1613
BasetradeTV390
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 54
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH330
• davetesta100
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1927
• Lourlo881
• HappyZerGling112
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
11h 47m
goblin vs Kelazhur
TriGGeR vs Krystianer
Replay Cast
18h 47m
RongYI Cup
1d 5h
herO vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 18h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.