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t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
December 15 2010 23:31 GMT
#1
Hello, I found this gem of a song deep in the internets. Composed by my RL friend who only ever uploaded it onto an obscure site, but which got more popularized after he appeared in the running as a finalist for Oprah's world most talented kids show.

Give it a listen:


HeyitsClay
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada336 Posts
December 15 2010 23:35 GMT
#2
thats some amazing stuff right there, thnx =D
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
December 15 2010 23:36 GMT
#3
The chords are far too boring and typical. I don't care what he does with them.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 15 2010 23:38 GMT
#4
a generic chord progression, folllowed by uninspired embellishment on top of it?
no thanks
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 16 2010 00:02 GMT
#5
sounds nice, but yes, there isn't much musical content.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 16 2010 00:05 GMT
#6
At first I thought it was just Beethoven's Moonlight. Then it changed to something else. That was surprising.

It sounds nice, but that can be said about so many other songs as well...
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Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
December 16 2010 00:10 GMT
#7
Not bad, just wish his progression wasn't so repetitive.

Now if you want real waves..I'd check out Chopin's ocean etude. Those are some real waves =P
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matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 00:18:26
December 16 2010 00:11 GMT
#8
vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V - vi - IV - I - V ad infinitum...

I might have been able to say that it sounds nice if my ears weren't so well-trained to recognize and hate 4-chord songs.

Let me modify that: it's not that I entirely hate 4-chord songs; it's just that I hate 4-chord songs that people try to pass off as serious music. And that is simply an epidemic among teenagers that like to compose piano pieces.

And it's not redeemed at all by the erratic embellishments. I might be able to make an exception if it were like Pachelbel's Canon which involves actually a good accompaniment to its boring chord progression, but the embellishments to this are also way too boring. Just riffing on the chord, no sense of melody at all.
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
December 16 2010 00:27 GMT
#9
Check out the Axis of Awesome song for a small compilation of (the many) four chord songs!
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
December 16 2010 00:34 GMT
#10
Well, it's kinda atmospheric. Unfortunately there's a lot of this kind of music already. It's not very difficult to make. I was also a bit disapointed with the actual technical ability of whoever played it. The rythm just wasn't crisp.

Sorry.

Time for the master: Beethoven op.13c.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 16 2010 00:43 GMT
#11
Listening... yes... everything is vi-IV-I-V...
Heyyy the chords changed mid-way! It's just vi-IV-vi-IV now! Sometimes even using secondary dominant (V/vi) to lead into vi openings!
Ok now it's going vi-V-iv-V/vi (or III#). So basically, three main chord patterns, sure beats the ONE-pattern songs (see: 99% of pop songs today worldwide).

Still, all three patterns that I recognized are very generic, and there isn't any conscious attempt to break out or at least give it some variability in terms of rhythmic content or anything. Straight running notes whether it be 16ths or 8ths or triplets or whatever. The fact that it's in the most familiar key (C) doesn't help conceal its generic-ness, since most people (as demonstrated above by many replies) can easily recognize the patterns and soon become bored.

Another thing I wasn't too fond of was the frequent use of deep chords (i.e. using very low keys on the piano to give it a heavier bass sound). I think the song reached two-three octaves below the middle C too soon. Deep chords should be used near the climax, at the climax, or for other intended effects that are not at the opening bit of the song. Since the theme is waves, it feels like the waves started too deep and too powerful too soon. It's not the right hand arpeggios and how hard you play them that dictate the power, it's usually the left hand chords and the bass notes. I think the deeper chords should have been used more sparingly.

More on the theme of the song, "waves". There should be variability in power, which is somewhat observed by the change in dynamics and intensity (faster/slower note progressions in the right hand), but not so often. How come the waves die out then intensify so quickly? I can't feel a good momentum either way, it changes too soon (but the chord progressions don't change soon enough).

All that being said, still a good attempt at composition. I can see that the composer has a sense of harmony. Perhaps the next step will be to find a central theme (NOT a central repeatable chord progression) that can unify the song and allow the composer to build/relieve tension and momentum. Good beginning composition for a 10-12 year old aspiring composer, perhaps not so good if the composer is near/in adulthood and considering musical composition as a career.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 16 2010 00:43 GMT
#12

gg
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 16 2010 00:52 GMT
#13
On December 16 2010 09:43 Plexa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byGI1mDi3no
gg

out of all the pianists u could choose to make your point, you choose bruno...



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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
December 16 2010 00:52 GMT
#14
lol, I think it's kind of a a slam dunk to say that Liszt > random dude.

I get kinda bothered by how the pianist in Plexa's video keeps looking up and making faces. I dunno if it helps him get into the music, but it certainly isn't helping me.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 00:54:37
December 16 2010 00:53 GMT
#15
On December 16 2010 09:43 Plexa wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byGI1mDi3no
gg

inappropriate :[

cmon, a kid wrote it! and then you have to post that junk!

sigh...


On December 16 2010 09:52 Slithe wrote:
lol, I think it's kind of a a slam dunk to say that Liszt > random dude.

I get kinda bothered by how the pianist in Plexa's video keeps looking up and making faces. I dunno if it helps him get into the music, but it certainly isn't helping me.

maksim's done worse, just watch his other videos. absolutely horrid.
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Rising_Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States370 Posts
December 16 2010 01:13 GMT
#16


The oboist is horrific, either an old recording or English playstyle. However, Schumann is mega epic.
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 01:25:34
December 16 2010 01:22 GMT
#17
Sounds like something I'd compose in my teenage years. Oh wait.

EDIT: After listening through, I won't deny that it takes technical skill to play, but it really just sounds like a sad ripoff of Pachebel's Canon.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 16 2010 01:24 GMT
#18
Just wondering, has anyone here composed anything? And, if so, would they mind sharing it- I'm curious as to what TL can do? There are obviously a lot of talented musicians around here.
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
December 16 2010 01:36 GMT
#19
Sounds similar to Carly Comando's song too:
zzaaxxsscd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States626 Posts
December 16 2010 02:44 GMT
#20
maksim -> cziffra -> lipatti...good progression

here are two of my favorites, true giants of the piano:

Gilels
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Richter
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Gilels, especially....he leaves me speechless

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hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXU7I_Yyi2Y

xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
December 16 2010 03:04 GMT
#21
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
December 16 2010 03:09 GMT
#22
sounds like sunshine
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 03:10:34
December 16 2010 03:10 GMT
#23
Buy prints of my photographs at Redbubble -> http://www.redbubble.com/people/shoenberg3
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 16 2010 03:11 GMT
#24
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?

music major
serious pianist with wins at multiple competitions
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tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
December 16 2010 03:27 GMT
#25
oh cool another piano-related thread turned "share some cool piano music" thread
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
December 16 2010 03:32 GMT
#26
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?


Are you asking this question because you think a bunch of people are bullshitting, or because you are legitimately curious about their level of experience?
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
December 16 2010 03:34 GMT
#27
On December 16 2010 12:32 Slithe wrote:
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On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?


Are you asking this question because you think a bunch of people are bullshitting, or because you are legitimately curious about their level of experience?


Legitimately asking, I am a music composition major and I'm just curious.

lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
December 16 2010 03:43 GMT
#28
Ah ... you're right mahnini.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 16 2010 04:00 GMT
#29
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?

ARCT in Piano Performance
Several large-scale music arrangements including Chicago and Ray Charles songs
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 05:31:07
December 16 2010 05:30 GMT
#30
On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?

hours on top of hours listening to classical music. i have decent knowledge in piano recordings although i tend to the earlier 20th century side

well i do know how to play the piano

but not much other than that
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matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
December 16 2010 18:35 GMT
#31
Keeping this thread alive because I'm sad that I missed a classical music sharing thread.

A piece by Chopin that shows how a good chord progression can make a song:



On December 16 2010 12:04 xLethargicax wrote:
I agree, it is fairly generic and not exactly executed well, but a more pressing question for me is;

Of all the people critiquing this and flexing their know-hows. What is your experience and background?


Just a general musical upbringing. Music has pretty much been the center of my hobbies my whole life. As far as actual experience goes, I played the French horn for a while, and I play mediocre piano (my technique and endurance is awful, but I can learn the notes for most pieces), and I sing. I also have perfect pitch. But my music theory sense is much better than any solid, practical ability or knowledge that I have.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 19:32:01
December 16 2010 19:29 GMT
#32
THIS is musical talent:


Borge improvised over a piece he had heard before, but never played. Mind blowing
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 16 2010 19:38 GMT
#33
^ I think he has heard of it many, many times before... it's the ever-so-popular Czardas by V. Monti. Still, the improvised accompaniment is very impressive. He adjusts to the violin soloist's pace quite readily, but I suppose that just comes with years of experience.
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HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
December 16 2010 19:45 GMT
#34
for those who dont know about music they feel this is super good. But its quite easy to play if you know a bit of piano. There ARE more talented kids out there.
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