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I have always notice that my PvZ is way better than my PvT.
(For you information, I am mid diamond)
So I got a Terran practise partner, and he win me 6-0.
PvZ and PvT matchups are like two extreme: in PvZ, Protoss will move as a ball of death and kill insane amount of Zerg with collosus and HT.
In PvT, it is my own gateway army that got slaughtered by the MMM ball of death. While it is a known fact that at the same cost, Protoss army has no chance against MMM, especially marines.
The only way to survive until collosus is by your little sentry, but one tiny tiny mistake, one wrong forcefield, it is GG. You also need to control your suicidal zealot, so they will not charge at the enemy and got killed by the marines BEHIND the forcefields... That is no easy task against good Terran, who will stim and attack your defensive line. (and also your expo)
PDD with marine underneath is another nightmare, you need so much micro against that one spell its not even funny.
I did win sometimes, but only if I turtle for collosus or the Terran is too passive. This match up is simply too frustrating for me.
 
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Watch MC vs Jinro. Seriously.
As a Protoss player PvT was (and still is) by far the worst of my matchups too, but I think I was getting trapped in the mindset of just sitting back and playing passive, hoping that I could defend my opponent's attack and tech to HT or Collosus. The thought of being aggressive and applying pressure early never really crossed my mind because I assumed my guys would just get wtf-kited by Marauders and all die.
But watching MC sweep Jinro away through pure gateway unit aggression was really eye-opening for me, I think you can learn a LOT from watching his series' vs both Jinro and MarineKing. Before Stim is finished, gateway units actually do surprisingly well against MM balls.
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PvT is more about positioning than actual composition. MC demonstrated this to great effect, I suggest watching some of his games from the GSL.
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On December 15 2010 16:45 FataLe wrote:
PvT is more about positioning than actual composition. MC demonstrated this to great effect, I suggest watching some of his games from the GSL.
Where can I watch them? I do want to see how to be aggressive against Terran, being passive and wait is not my play style at all.
That is probably why I feel at home when I play PvZ. (I will never allow them to power drone unchecked.)
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DT rush is still pretty viable in this game
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On December 15 2010 17:10 DarkwindHK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 16:45 FataLe wrote:
PvT is more about positioning than actual composition. MC demonstrated this to great effect, I suggest watching some of his games from the GSL. Where can I watch them? I do want to see how to be aggressive against Terran, being passive and wait is not my play style at all. That is probably why I feel at home when I play PvZ. (I will never allow them to power drone unchecked.)
Just watch the vods on GOMTV site?
I didn't see it live but read in the LR thread that MC basically used gateway units and crushed Jinro with his timings and micro.
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On December 15 2010 17:10 DarkwindHK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 16:45 FataLe wrote:
PvT is more about positioning than actual composition. MC demonstrated this to great effect, I suggest watching some of his games from the GSL. Where can I watch them? I do want to see how to be aggressive against Terran, being passive and wait is not my play style at all. That is probably why I feel at home when I play PvZ. (I will never allow them to power drone unchecked.)
gomtv.net
however if you do not wish to pay to view more than 1 game per series I'm sure a replay site wont have any vods for u to watch.
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On December 15 2010 16:18 DarkwindHK wrote:
I have always notice that my PvZ is way better than my PvT.
(For you information, I am mid diamond)
So I got a Terran practise partner, and he win me 6-0.
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Guy ... you have all my understanding, i find this mu even more challenging than SC1 PvZ which was damn HARD.
My friends keep telling me that my PvT is terrible bad and that is not a problem with the mu, though ... they are not P .... funny ha? As you said one little mistake cost you the game at any points during the match ... many times i lost even when i had +1/2 exp going ... simply because i lost a big battle and died with 2000+ minerals simply because MMM ball ran over my main in exaclty 1 min after the big battle was over (and he was left with 10-15 units ....).
Really ... and what about MMM not dying even when repetedly storming on their fucking tiny T heads of stupid marines?
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Telling somebody to look at MC´s PvT is like telling a Terran to look at Foxer´s TvZ...
And MC vs Jinro is a pretty bad example, Jinro lost by a combination of screwing up and unluck.
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EPT
