EPTThe Importance of APM - Page 2
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McDonalds
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SubtleArt
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Adeeler
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Australia7535 Posts
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
its like priding yourself of winning without ever building stargate, or robo, or dt shrine. or even never getting forge. or never chrono boosting. why? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46724 Posts
1. Obvious increase in confidence, considering so many pro-gamers and "good" players have high APM 2. The recognition that APM isn't everything 3. The understanding that spamming isn't everything 4. The realization that every action per minute that a low APMer did *was more important* than every action of a high APMer. Being able to win with only one action per second (vs. 2 or 3) means that each one needs to be as necessary as possible. More focus on doing the most important ones. (Obviously, as your game sense and awareness of everything you need to account for increases, your APM should eventually increase as well, but still.) Obviously, higher APM let's you get more stuff done, but it's kind of a moral victory when you beat someone who BMs you for having low APM- even though you just finished wiping the floor with them. Just sayin'. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
it's like an athlete happy that he can't jump high, run fast, or bench much | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46724 Posts
On November 05 2010 22:57 kainzero wrote: why would you pride yourself on low apm? it's like an athlete happy that he can't jump high, run fast, or bench much No it's not, because APM isn't a one-way ticket to winning. | ||
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crayhasissues
United States682 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 05 2010 23:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: No it's not, because APM isn't a one-way ticket to winning. Neither is being able to jump high, run fast, or bench much (in most sports, obviously running fast can win you the 100m dash). To OP, it's kind of a dead horse topic. You can beat someone with higher APM if you make better game decisions. But what happens when you play someone who makes equally as good game decisions AND is able to do more stuff like better macro, multi-tasking harass, flanks, better creep spread, or all of the tiny stuff that gives a player .5%-1% better chance of winning? A good player with 300 APM is using all 300 of those APM to make sure they are playing as close to optimally as they can. While a mediocre player at 300 APM is still mediocre, when it's a good player their superior APM is going to give them a compounding amount of small advantages they can use to win the game. About his hotkeys... if he's protoss he probably really has 2 hotkeys W for warpgates and nexus. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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conroe
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Just saying, 160 in bw isn't high at all... actually anything under 200 is pretty noob (Generally speaking, you get the 90apm B- Toss from time to time, but most C players are 200+). But then again, when I play SC2 my apm is like 150 down from 250 in bw :O | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
It's about what you do with all the actions. A progamer will make better use of his actions on the keyboard compared to a beginner. Most beginners assume that high apm = higher skill and in turn spam their hotkeys so they think they get a higher skill or something similar. While a progamer will try to use as less actions as possible to reach to victory. The result is however that because they are so efficient with each action that they are doing more stuff than a beginner would do like keeping macro up and micro'ing units that eventually leads to a higher APM. An example to the OP: - worker A (you) walks to the office inefficiently that takes 30 min to reach and has a normal work pace - worker B (the guy who lost from you) runs to the office within 15 min but will be exhausted the rest of the day thus his work pace will be slower than the rest - worker C (progamer) walks to office efficiently that takes 15 min and has more time to work and also has a normal work pace Do this for a month and Worker C will have more work done than A and B But worker A will have better results than B most of the times. It's the exact same thing. Everyone wants to be C because he can either do as much as A with less time or do more with the same time spent. | ||
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On November 05 2010 18:54 spoolinoveryou wrote: Look at Stork for example in BW. He had APM in the 200's... While Jaedong had like 400APM lol. It all just depends on the player and how they feel comfortable playing. More like Stork is Protoss, and the only toss who consistently has mechanics comparable to Terrans/Zergs is Bisu. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 05 2010 23:18 conroe wrote: These APM discussion numbers are 2-3x higher in BW X_X Just saying, 160 in bw isn't high at all... actually anything under 200 is pretty noob (Generally speaking, you get the 90apm B- Toss from time to time, but most C players are 200+). But then again, when I play SC2 my apm is like 150 down from 250 in bw :O Well APM is measured differently in SC2. 150APM in SC2 is ~207 actual APM since SC2's APM is measured using in game seconds which aren't in a 1:1 relationship to real time. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On November 05 2010 18:54 spoolinoveryou wrote: I don't know how many APM threads there has to be. Who cares who has however APM. Just get the job done and try to "win". Some people feel the need they need to spam because of adrenaline. Look at Stork for example in BW. He had APM in the 200's... While Jaedong had like 400APM lol. It all just depends on the player and how they feel comfortable playing. And he kept getting his templars sniped! So theres a lesson to learn! | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
It is not something to be proud of to have low apm, you should be trying to improve your hand speed and control just as much as any other thing in sc if you want to get better. When BWchart first came out 5000 years ago, I remember looking at all my reps and having 80-140 apm. I immediately started to push for <150 apm and I definitely saw improvement. Then I tried for 170 and then 200 etc. It is very good, and not only is it good, it looks good. | ||
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