I wish BW would come back. - Page 2

On October 24 2010 13:59 arb wrote:

besides the bottom 4, you miss things that required skill
? aka shit thats automated and easy to do now(workers ai and easy to build walls)

On October 24 2010 14:14 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:


Arb, this guy who probably just discovered sc a year ago totally knows what he is talking about, he is even too fast for BW to respond!

Either that or he hasn't played a single iccup game in his life and has no idea what lan latency is...but obviously it's the former

On October 24 2010 13:05 SubtleArt wrote:


probably as something to do with the terrible maps, cheesy graphics, lack of interesting macro games, sluggish unit movements, and less diversity between races...all armies now pretty much 1a and thats it. Games are basically 2 blobs of units colliding lol. In BW each army would play so differently and there was a way better dynamic

On October 24 2010 14:32 theinvisiblePLER wrote:


Lol sup Reso, guess who this is haha :D

On October 24 2010 14:53 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:


loool you need to get back on msn, thought you fell off the face of the earth

On October 24 2010 14:21 kaisr wrote:
lol yeh. Was C- in BW, played sc2 for one week, tried to play one game of BW: ridiculous fail split, didn't build first probe, wondered why hotkeys were so far away, felt sad I couldn't MBS lost shortly after.

On October 24 2010 14:50 ShaperofDreams wrote:
u guys know that sc2 has been out for 2 months right?

there wasnt even a multiplayer scene in vanilla two months after it was released cause of how bad the game was at that stage

bw was a very limited game, it was really peaking out and getting stale during the past two years.

On October 24 2010 15:41 L_Master wrote:


This statement drives me crazy, BW was in no way getting stale and innovations were happening constantly. Ver wrote a really nice post about that a little while back, but I don't have it handy; I'm not sure why so many people want to say BW is stale or that everything is figured out, because it isn't.

On September 28 2010 05:46 Ver wrote:
SC mapped out? Few innovators/innovations? Are we watching the same games here? The late 2009/2010 season has been one of the most innovative years ever! There's a large amount of exploring left in many of these systems.

For Terran alone (listing general systems, not the absurd amount of variations):

TvZ-
Safe 14cc on 2 player maps
a dozen different variations of bio -> mech and vice versa with a lot more room for further exploration (this is huge!)
Flexible Valkyrie first openings that can transition into many different possibilities
A totally new approach vs 2 hatch muta with aggressive marine pushes (changes a lot)
7 Rax (and overlord snipes from it)
4 rax -> triple port wraith
2 rax acad allins
3rd denial vs 3 hatch muta (very unexplored and complex)
2 base allin vs crazy zerg (3 hatch muta to ultra)
Revolutionary lategame defense based off of aggressive vessel raids, covering infantry, and massed tanks (probably the biggest change in years along with bio-mech transitions)
12pool Lair with a very different and expansive early/midgame
Improvements on overall mech play (several new midgame options)
Heavy and consistent Vulture/Valkyrie!? (totally unexplored)

TvP- Many different 3 base timings
Many variations in the 2 fact after cc system both from siege expand and from FD
12 Nexus variations and emphasis
1 fact mine double expand in response to 12 Nexus
New midgame Carrier transition ideas both before and after arbiters
Rax Expand!! (a huge system with tons more exploration but right now there are many variations already)

+ Show Spoiler [Some specific games] +

As long as the pro scene stays alive in courts BW is fine. SC2 is just new (and getting many temporary tournies/players because of this) and people need a break from BW. Give half a year/year and things should be looking better.

On October 24 2010 14:08 Hikko wrote:


There's nothing fun about Dragoons being absolutely retarded.
There's nothing exciting about having units that are never used (looking at you, Scout!)
There's a bunch of luck in Scarab AI, not skill.
There's no skill in gaming the UI because I'm playing too fast for the game to even read my commands.
12 unit control groups does make the game legitimately more difficult, but I think larger control groups are more fun to use. It is just wasteful clicking, though, most of the time.
The non automated worker mining isn't fun or skill-based, it's just annoying and monotonous.
Workers playing stupid and being completely unable to a-move or hold position is just stupid.
Why should wall offs have to be memorized from a website instead of being able to just be easily figured out in-game?

I had fun playing Brood War, and I still love watching pro matches--I'm watching Fox vs KT right now--but I enjoy playing Starcraft 2 more for a large number of reasons, the ones that I have stated are just a part of it.

On October 24 2010 16:02 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Actually SC2 having come out has worked out great for me. Tried it, wasn't my thing, didn't bother crying about how it's not like BW and I went back into my FPS roots.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, there are other games outside of BW and SC2, yeah I know, when I found out it blew me away too.

On October 24 2010 16:12 ArvickHero wrote:

forgot to mention that those other games could possibly not be other people's cup of tea too, yea that also blew me away

On October 24 2010 13:51 Hikko wrote:
I don't miss the UI that didn't register your actions when you went too fast