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On October 13 2010 10:25 Rakdos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 10:21 Alzadar wrote:On October 13 2010 10:13 Rakdos wrote:
It is not pronounced Progamer all in one fricking breath. I actually do pronounce it like that. "Flash is a progamer" not "Flash is a pro ... gamer" Then your oral skills must be terrible, you pause after the "pro" in order to put emphasis on it because someone who is "pro" at something is considerably skilled at that something and is better then your average player/person.
I say progamer. I don't actually know anyone (not that I know too many SC fans) who says "pro gamer." I like to think my oral skills are not terrible (;D) although I certainly could be wrong about that.
To hijack your blog, "pro" has nothing to do with skill. Stop using it like that. We already have a word to describe a skilled gamer, "skilled." Pros get paid. Effort stopped being a progamer (or pro gamer, whatever) the second he retired, even though he didn't lose any skill.
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On October 13 2010 10:29 Rakdos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 10:25 HULKAMANIA wrote:
Rakdos, my friend, you can attempt to force your spelling preferences onto the people around you. But 1) you won't accomplish anything and 2) you come off as a dickhead who mistakes his own personal little list of likes and dislikes for universal law.
Once the avalanche has started, the pebbles don't get to vote. Spelling mistakes such as typos don't really annoy me that much. But spelling mistakes caused by lack of space bar usage is just dumb. Anyidiotcantypewithoutspacebarbutthatdoesn'tmakeitcorrectorsomethingthatshouldbejustbrushedoff. Especially when it causes misunderstandings and problems for readers who are just trying to read articles about topics that interest them.
It's not a mistake. It's a misunderstanding on your part.
You misunderstand how language works. In the course of this one thread, you've attributed spelling progamer without a space to ignorance, laziness, and terrible "oral skills." But actually it's just a new word. Actually it's just a particular instance of the phenomenon of language change, which is an absolute and omnipresent fact in any language at any time. Not only is it unavoidable, not only is not the product of linguistic or moral deficiencies, not only is it not a mistake, but it's the exact same process that generated the spelling of every single word you're typing in your misguided diatribe against it.
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Koreans say progamer. Many people in this community spend a lot of time listening to Korean people talk about progamers.
Does "esports" bother you too because it is spelled too similarly to "experts"? Those two are only two letters off too.
Edit for clarity.
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Koreans say progamer. Many people in this community spend a lot of time listening to Korean people talk about progamers.
Does "esports" bother you too or is it spelled too similarly to "experts"? Because those two are only two letters off too.
I said that translations were a different matter and that I didn't mind them. When I go to read a translation I go in expecting there to be improper English and possible misspellings, thats just how translations work. I get annoyed when someone who is a primarily English speaker uses the word progamer.
The difference between Progamer and Programmer is just one 'r' and one 'm'. Thats less then 20% of the damn word. The difference between eSports and experts is 'S', 'p', 'o' which is nearly 40% of the word not to mention one has a capital S right in the middle of it. Completely different.
You misunderstand how language works. In the course of this one thread, you've attributed spelling progamer without a space to ignorance, laziness, and terrible "oral skills." But actually it's just a new word. Actually it's just a particular instance of the phenomenon of language change, which is an absolute and omnipresent fact in any language at any time. Not only is it unavoidable, not only is not the product of linguistic or moral deficiencies, not only is it not a mistake, but it's the exact same process that generated the spelling of every single word you're typing in your misguided diatribe against it.
Pro-gamer is already a word, so is Pro gamer (even though its 2 words and not one). Progamer is merely a "fake" word. As in, it was created by people who suck at English.
To hijack your blog, "pro" has nothing to do with skill. Stop using it like that. We already have a word to describe a skilled gamer, "skilled." Pros get paid. Effort stopped being a progamer (or pro gamer, whatever) the second he retired, even though he didn't lose any skill.
My mistake, regardless there is a difference between someone who is "pro" at something and someone who isn't, the pause is used to emphasis that.
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On October 13 2010 10:44 Rakdos wrote: Show nested quote +
You misunderstand how language works. In the course of this one thread, you've attributed spelling progamer without a space to ignorance, laziness, and terrible "oral skills." But actually it's just a new word. Actually it's just a particular instance of the phenomenon of language change, which is an absolute and omnipresent fact in any language at any time. Not only is it unavoidable, not only is not the product of linguistic or moral deficiencies, not only is it not a mistake, but it's the exact same process that generated the spelling of every single word you're typing in your misguided diatribe against it.
Pro-gamer is already a word, so is Pro gamer (even though its 2 words and not one). Progamer is merely a "fake" word. As in, it was created by people who suck at English.
Everything I said about word change also applies to spelling change. Spellings change. Every spelling you employ was, more or less, arbitrarily defined (and altered) over time by usage. But either you don't realize the significance of this fact, or you don't yet realize that it's a fact in the first place, or you don't care.
At any rate, I wish you all the luck in the world in your crusade to save English from people who suck at it.
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I am so angry I registered to TL just to post this!
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You are right. You've convinced me to type pro gamer instead of "progamer".
But I doubt TL's writing staff will follow your proposal.
In the mean time, maybe you'll get better at differentiating "progamer" from programmer.
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On October 13 2010 11:26 domane wrote:
You are right. You've convinced me to type "pro gamer" instead of progamer.
But I doubt TL's writing staff will follow your proposal.
In the mean time, maybe you'll get better at differentiating progamer from programmer.
Seeing as I'm currently a Comp Sci student at college I doubt I will since 75% of my life revolves around programming
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why are there so many of these dumb word blogs these days
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On October 13 2010 11:39 tube wrote:
why are there so many of these dumb word blogs these days
at least the "troll" and "baller" ones, which I remember off the top of my head, were because the word was actually used wrong
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at least the "troll" and "baller" ones, which I remember off the top of my head, were because the word was actually used wrong
I'm not saying the word was used wrong, just that progamer isn't a word and people should use pro-gamer or pro gamer
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I don't see anything wrong with the word "progamer." I don't have a hard time differentiating the word and I have a MS in Computer Engineering, so using the "I am a Comp Sci major" argument doesn't really work.
The word formation just reflects the changes in language over time, as HULKAMANIA has already pointed out. I can give you an example in another language as well. In Japanese, a popular word today is ネカマ. If you ask the older generation about this word, they may not be tell you the meaning since it's more mainstream towards the younger crowd. The word comes from putting together ネット (internet / net) and オカマ (fag / boy who acts like girl). The meaning is very obvious if you understand where the word comes from and how it is formed.
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On October 13 2010 12:39 pepsidrinker wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with the word "progamer." I don't have a hard time differentiating the word and I have a MS in Computer Engineering, so using the "I am a Comp Sci major" argument doesn't really work.
The word formation just reflects the changes in language over time, as HULKAMANIA has already pointed out. I can give you an example in another language as well. In Japanese, a popular word today is ネカマ. If you ask the older generation about this word, they may not be tell you the meaning since it's more mainstream towards the younger crowd. The word comes from putting together ネット (internet / net) and オカマ (fag / boy who acts like girl). The meaning is very obvious if you understand where the word comes from and how it is formed.
Your missing the point, its not that "progamer" is a change in language. "progamer" is not a word, it stems from people either being too lazy to click the space bar or to add a hyphen. A change in language would be the creation of a new term, such as "l33t" or "wewt". Words likes those probably didn't exist 20 years ago. "progamer" isn't new, its just a dumbasses version of the actual word "Pro-gamer/Pro gamer". Unlike some people, I don't support the dumbass version of words.
As for the Comp Sci major argument, I fully realize that some people don't have trouble with it. There are always exceptions in life, yet for myself and all of my friends who play Starcraft 2 and a variety of other video games and are also Comp Sci majors every single one of them said when presented with the written word "progamer" they immediately thought it was "programmer".
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On October 13 2010 12:55 Rakdos wrote:Your missing the point, its not that "progamer" is a change in language. "progamer" is not a word, it stems from people either being too lazy to click the space bar or to add a hyphen. [...] Unlike some people, I don't support the dumbass version of words.
If you're going to put high standards on other people, I think you should at least learn the difference between "your" and "you're." This is not stemming from laziness, but a misunderstanding of how the English language works... I feel that getting something as basic as "you're/your" wrong is worst than "pro-gamer/progamer."
I often use Google as a way to correct my spelling since their search feature has built up a good database of common words and phrases, and for the most part, that are used correctly. Links to "progamer" and "light bulb." Despite "progamer" not being correct, it is still accepted, while "lightbulb" isn't accepted...
progamer
pro gamer
light bulb
lightbulb
tl;dr It really doesn't matter!
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If you're going to put high standards on other people, I think you should at least learn the difference between "your" and "you're." This is not stemming from laziness, but a misunderstanding of how the English language works...
I'm absolutely terrible with those particular words....and I know it.
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I often use Google as a way to correct my spelling since their search feature has built up a good database of common words and phrases, and for the most part, that are used correctly. Links to "progamer" and "light bulb." Despite "progamer" not being correct, it is still accepted, while "lightbulb" isn't accepted...
I've already pointed out that it is widely used but that doesn't necessarily make it correct. "Wewt" is in Google too but that doesn't make "wewt" a correct English word.
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On October 13 2010 13:19 Rakdos wrote:Show nested quote +
I often use Google as a way to correct my spelling since their search feature has built up a good database of common words and phrases, and for the most part, that are used correctly. Links to "progamer" and "light bulb." Despite "progamer" not being correct, it is still accepted, while "lightbulb" isn't accepted...
I've already pointed out that it is widely used but that doesn't necessarily make it correct. "Wewt" is in Google too but that doesn't make "wewt" a correct English word.
wewt
No one ever said "wewt" was a correct English word. Even Google offers a suggestion to what has been entered. You must also consider the fact that English may not be people's first language. It could be their second, or even third language, so correcting ever minor details down to something as simple as "progamer/pro-gamer" isn't helpful or necessary.
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No one ever said "wewt" was a correct English word. Even Google offers a suggestion to what has been entered. You must also consider the fact that English may not be people's first language. It could be their second, or even third language, so correcting ever minor details down to something as simple as "progamer/pro-gamer" isn't helpful or necessary.
I stated that translations were different, I guess I should include non-native English speakers as well. The only time this annoys me is when someone who is a primary English speaker.
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I find the word pro gamer paradoxical. It comes from people who want to make esports a respectable profession but the word itself is a bash of slang. It would be like calling a professional athlete referring to himself as a proath.
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On October 13 2010 14:23 T0fuuu wrote:
I find the word pro gamer paradoxical. It comes from people who want to make esports a respectable profession but the word itself is a bash of slang. It would be like calling a professional athlete referring to himself as a proath.
Or a pro athlete, which is common enough...
I don't see a problem with this community using the word progamer like it does. It has meaning to us, and so we use it that way.
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