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On October 13 2010 13:22 Kenny wrote:
I think I didn't voice my opinion properly. I *LOVE* BW and of course if it were my decision I'd choose for it to never die in Esports and always be huge in both Korea and the foreign scene. My point was that all things eventually come to an end. Of course it stinks that BW is phasing out a lot faster than we all expected, but we all knew that someday it would come. The average life of a competitive video game is lucky to make it to a year or two. The fact that BW has lasted 10 years strong is amazing in itself. What I was trying to say is that if there is a game that will transition from BW, at least it is SC2. I mean, look at SC2 as it is already. It's been out less than 6 months and already has huge tournaments associated with it. Teams are being created, the game growing and being patched to fit competitive needs. Sure it will take some time, but the potential is definitely there. In another 10 years we may all be looking back at SC2 and wish it wasn't being phased out by another game.
Life forces uncomfortable and unpleasant changes on us and the post that I quoted before stated just that. Why not embrace what we have going for us now and try to turn it into the wonderful amazing game that BW was? That's all.
That's something I have issue with actually. Broodwar hasn't got a balancing patch in years, which means the players have to think up how to beat something instead of hoping Blizzard will nerf something. Constant patching would actually make the game evolve slower. It needs to hit a stable point, and then stop. No more balance patches. Let players work out how to beat things on their own.
Something else, throughout this whole thread I see people saying not to worry, this is just a cycle. We'll have SC3 come out and repeat all this all over again. It HAS to happen.
No it doesn't. If every ten years a new game with new balance, new units, new tricks, new strats, new builds comes out and obsoletes at least half of the knowledge gained in the previous game over the last 10 years, how are we ever going to reach the pinnacle of e-sports? BroodWar is still evolving, it hasn't hit it's limit. Why kill it off before it gets stale? If we keep switching games, sure it won't ever get stale, but we'll never reach the highest level of play we could have if we hadn't moved on before the last game was dead.
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On October 13 2010 15:17 Magus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:22 Kenny wrote:
I think I didn't voice my opinion properly. I *LOVE* BW and of course if it were my decision I'd choose for it to never die in Esports and always be huge in both Korea and the foreign scene. My point was that all things eventually come to an end. Of course it stinks that BW is phasing out a lot faster than we all expected, but we all knew that someday it would come. The average life of a competitive video game is lucky to make it to a year or two. The fact that BW has lasted 10 years strong is amazing in itself. What I was trying to say is that if there is a game that will transition from BW, at least it is SC2. I mean, look at SC2 as it is already. It's been out less than 6 months and already has huge tournaments associated with it. Teams are being created, the game growing and being patched to fit competitive needs. Sure it will take some time, but the potential is definitely there. In another 10 years we may all be looking back at SC2 and wish it wasn't being phased out by another game.
Life forces uncomfortable and unpleasant changes on us and the post that I quoted before stated just that. Why not embrace what we have going for us now and try to turn it into the wonderful amazing game that BW was? That's all. That's something I have issue with actually. Broodwar hasn't got a balancing patch in years, which means the players have to think up how to beat something instead of hoping Blizzard will nerf something. Constant patching would actually make the game evolve slower. It needs to hit a stable point, and then stop. No more balance patches. Let players work out how to beat things on their own. Something else, throughout this whole thread I see people saying not to worry, this is just a cycle. We'll have SC3 come out and repeat all this all over again. It HAS to happen. No it doesn't. If every ten years a new game with new balance, new units, new tricks, new strats, new builds comes out and obsoletes at least half of the knowledge gained in the previous game over the last 10 years, how are we ever going to reach the pinnacle of e-sports? BroodWar is still evolving, it hasn't hit it's limit. Why kill it off before it gets stale? If we keep switching games, sure it won't ever get stale, but we'll never reach the highest level of play we could have if we hadn't moved on before the last game was dead.
I think something to note here, is that personally, I don't think any player will hit either skillcap, for BW, or Starcraft 2. There's just too many opportunities for players to screw up even the slightest in a game, that will lead to a loss. You can always get to a higher level of play.
That said, I think enough lessons of the past can be expanded upon that SC2 will immediately jump to a higher level of play, as soon as more talented players start getting involved. It might take a couple years, but that's not really a big deal when you consider how long BW has been around.
I say this with as much respect as I can give to BW, I really don't want to challenge the glory that is BW. I'm just trying to point out what I think on the subject that you've discussed.
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I like how you guys are saying to look at SC2 how great it is doing and how many tournaments there are in it and how it is the real e-sport. Unfortunately all of this is not thank to the game being so good and actually evolved to this stage, but it is all artificially made and forced. I don't know about any game that has ever became so huge regarding e-sports right after it's release (hell even during it's freakin BETA stage) and it really doesn't make sense if you look at it. Normally you have a game and it slowly becomes more and more popular linear with people getting more and more skilled at it and finding out it's possibilities and then it becomes e-sport - the title should be deserved. All that SC2 has achieved yet is that it is called Starcraft 2. And this not-achieved anything game has literally killed the best game ever - doesn't make sense to me. But nothing where money is involved makes sense...
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K, could you tell me when exactly Blizzard started/forced all this "open" XXX Tournaments/Cups and all this?
You got a point with the GSL, but everything else?
Face it:
Many, many, many people love SC2.
There is a huge interest in Tournaments by casuals and a bit more serious players a like.
It's allready more important in most parts of the World than SC/BW ever was and no really big evil company is to blame for that, the interest of players around the globe is to blame for that.
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I have to wonder what some people would answer to a very simple question: would you prefer Blizzard never released a sequel?
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On October 13 2010 19:48 NightRapier wrote:
I have to wonder what some people would answer to a very simple question: would you prefer Blizzard never released a sequel?
Yes.
However I already held that opinion before SC2 was announced, i got more optimistic about SC2 when it came out, played it for the beta and enjoyed, but I'm back to that opinion again.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On October 13 2010 19:48 NightRapier wrote:
I have to wonder what some people would answer to a very simple question: would you prefer Blizzard never released a sequel?
yeah i had a feeling something bad would happen to broodwar. well i didn't expect it to be all this dramatic negotiations and crazy shit, but i was just expecting everyone around the world to go crazy over a new blizz game and it would just overshadow the old one with "shitty graphics"..
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:39 c.Deadly wrote:Brood War will live forever in my heart, and on my hard drive. But it is extremely sad to see the proleague falling apart, and no MSL? =[ I dug up some old Rekrul posts (sorry to bring this up in your own blog, Milkis) http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288¤tpage=4#67+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2010 17:19 Rekrul wrote:
...Koreans are totally fad-oriented. So what if it wasn't what they hoped and the fad began as soon as the game out, that doesn't mean it still can't happen later. Also, SC2/GOMTV will be huge, whether you like their commentators or not. And most importantly, SC2 Esports will be huge outside of Korea 100%...this is the game that everyone has been waiting for to make an esport. If it becomes huge outside of Korea that means more big korean companies will want to get involved and the game will eventually become mainstream as it creeps into Korea. If there's one thing I've learned about Koreans is they have their national pride and everyone can instantly start loving something they had no previous knowledge of before ... Or imagine Blizzard getting some key names like Boxer to abandon ties to KESPA and go on a massive advertising campaign for SC2... =[ http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288¤tpage=9#162=[[[[[ Honestly, I didn't even follow GSL1. I watched a few VODs but they put me to sleep. SC2 is fun to play, and it's fun to follow the community, but it's not fun to actually watch. That's probably the only thing keeping me from burning out - not watching the actual game.
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
Well... It's been like 3 months LOL
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United States47024 Posts
On October 13 2010 19:48 NightRapier wrote:
I have to wonder what some people would answer to a very simple question: would you prefer Blizzard never released a sequel?
I'm going to disagree with others and say no.
I'm under no delusions thinking SC1 would be able to continue garnering interest. It's pretty obvious that the scene has been shrinking since its 2004-2005 levels. As a spectator-sport, the game eventually was going to live out its lifespan, and viewer-ship would drop under levels where sponsors would deem it financially worthwhile to support.
I wish SC2 hadn't come out so soon (as it's pretty clear that BW's natural lifespan would have continued for quite some time), but IMO it still had to happen eventually.
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On October 13 2010 19:48 NightRapier wrote:
I have to wonder what some people would answer to a very simple question: would you prefer Blizzard never released a sequel?
Yes.
Id love nothing more than sc2 never existing and BW still being alive today..
nothing more..
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-There is a progame team that is looking to take on a SC2 team. They are really positive towards this idea.
This could be WMF (all the WC3-Players going to SC2) and maybe some of the BW-players also switch.
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On October 14 2010 02:17 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 19:48 NightRapier wrote:
I have to wonder what some people would answer to a very simple question: would you prefer Blizzard never released a sequel? Yes. Id love nothing more than sc2 never existing and BW still being alive today.. nothing more..
What about SC2 being successful in the west and BW remaining untouched in Korea?
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On October 14 2010 10:01 im a roc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 02:17 arb wrote:On October 13 2010 19:48 NightRapier wrote:
I have to wonder what some people would answer to a very simple question: would you prefer Blizzard never released a sequel? Yes. Id love nothing more than sc2 never existing and BW still being alive today.. nothing more.. What about SC2 being successful in the west and BW remaining untouched in Korea?
It's a sad day when the rest of the world settles for some kind of kiddie version of a real mans game
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I don't mean to sound like an ass, but I believe the correct title of the post would be "The rumor mill is spinning fast". Brood war has had a good life, and everything that has a beginning has an end. It may be time to live and let die.
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No it doesn't. If every ten years a new game with new balance, new units, new tricks, new strats, new builds comes out and obsoletes at least half of the knowledge gained in the previous game over the last 10 years, how are we ever going to reach the pinnacle of e-sports? BroodWar is still evolving, it hasn't hit it's limit. Why kill it off before it gets stale? If we keep switching games, sure it won't ever get stale, but we'll never reach the highest level of play we could have if we hadn't moved on before the last game was dead.
So true.
Things which I wanted to see:
-The 'answer' to bio-mech TvZ
-more lategame ZvZ
-queens~!
Ah, some things can never be 
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fact is BW will die, blizzard not gonna do anymore patch for BW
they are more focus on SC2($$$) 2 more add-on gonna release, and more more unit to be balance... way to busy imo lol
all the pro gamer team is planning the next move to the future of e-sport... if BW dies they will move on to SC2
even if BW lives, they still gonna make more team for SC2 incase BW will die soon or later 
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On October 14 2010 17:16 MoriyaGXP wrote:fact is BW will die, blizzard not gonna do anymore patch for BW they are more focus on SC2($$$) 2 more add-on gonna release, and more more unit to be balance... way to busy imo lol all the pro gamer team is planning the next move to the future of e-sport... if BW dies they will move on to SC2 even if BW lives, they still gonna make more team for SC2 incase BW will die soon or later
bw doesn't need any patches
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On October 14 2010 19:57 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 17:16 MoriyaGXP wrote:fact is BW will die, blizzard not gonna do anymore patch for BW they are more focus on SC2($$$) 2 more add-on gonna release, and more more unit to be balance... way to busy imo lol all the pro gamer team is planning the next move to the future of e-sport... if BW dies they will move on to SC2 even if BW lives, they still gonna make more team for SC2 incase BW will die soon or later bw doesn't need any patches
Could use a patch that fixes the color issues in Windows 7, but yeah.. that's it.
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