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http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-licensing3.htm
Educate yourself.
Bands almost never play a part in the licensing of their music other than possibly by what contract they choose to sign.
I'm sure you realize the RIAA sues at the drop of a hat (as shown by their actions against illegal downloads) so you realize that OGN and MBC game HAS to be licensing their shit. How the hell do you think they manage to get Paramore's music playing during breaks, an internationally known band's music, without causing an international incident? That shit is money.
Yeah, these bands might be damn well near unknown, which might be why GOM TV chose them. Their licensing fees are probably dirt cheap, and, if you understand how advances work for recording artists, they might never even see the money, it might just go to paying off their advance that the label gave them.
This is ridiculous. Your assumptions are unfounded, and you don't understand how music licensing works (government entity should get a pass? Uh, no, the United States Postal Service pays for the music in their commercials too.)
It's not "blantantly hypocritical." You're just making false assumptions on shaky grounds.
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Yes. And you're posting before reading the whole thread!
I do that sometimes, too. But not when the thread is only one page long =o
I kind of want to steal that mod edit on brood's post for a sig. Seems like I need more Chill.
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I started my post before I saw your post at the bottom of the first page (it hadn't been posted yet), but my points still stand in regards to your original post. I'm addressing the fact that your assumptions are entirely ludicrous as well as the fact they're wrong.
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Well, they're not necessarily wrong... just probably wrong ;]
I've learned over the years that "knowing" is a difficult thing. It's hard to "know" something for certain. Most of what we think we know is just educated guesses. Usually, those are fine. But sometimes...
The premise of this thread is actually an interesting example of how the human mind can work. If you're upset about something, in this case the turmoil of korean e-sports, it can cloud your judgment. If you want something to latch onto with your emotion, you will do so unreasonably as soon as you identify a candidate.
I and many other people I know have always presumed that the music wasn't being paid for. Actually, it still may not be, even if there is a vehicle for it-- there's no way to know (but that neither supports nor excuses the accusation). Even so, I didn't question the presumption when I got myself worked up about it, which was a mistake.
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Guess I'm the only one who liked your blog  . I don't think there would be a pro scene as we know it (no market to invade for GOMTV) if it wasn't for KESPA. This is not really related to what you said about copyright though.
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Korea (South)1897 Posts
Yo Delerium,
well everyone is hammering you on the hypocrisy thing, and I guess you got triggered by the assumption of the song thing;
but I just wanna say:
I bought 2 copies of SC2; one in Korean and one in Australia (so I could nearly have full worldwide coverage lol, Europe is no point in Korea) so anyway,
even though I've bought the game, actually, I have an 'unlimited' account.
I wonder if one day it will suddenly change to 'limited' keke,
but I get your main point about it if you see the game as a platform;
and I think for SCBW you're right,
but as the corporate wheels turn, by its nature, SC2 now is set-up so that isn't the case, it isn't an open platform now as SCBW .
Its hard to say either way; if its the professional sports model I agree with you, but if blizzard choses to treat the game as content then yeah, its their prerogative, but I get what you're saying and for me, its not something I can agree with blizzard or disagree with them, its just a commercial decision that may hand them some short term profits or fuck up their long term prospects and ultimate market potential in sales. They very well may be shooting themselves in the foot and then after 4 years when their sales are like zero, very well ease up on this... or else the momentum of SC2 will keep on raging and it will have been a great decision and SC3 will come out a bit sooner than expected for a cost of 150 USD per unlimited license (joke blizzard, it's expensive enough!)
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rated 1/5, they pay licensing fees as OGN/MBC are parts of the larger TV networks that do so.
unless you show otherwise with direct proof that they don't pay for the rights to the music, your rant means nothing
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Yes, Elroi... though misguided, this was a vehicle for me to express my displeasure at what's happening to KeSPA because of SC2. I know Korean fans tend to hate dogspa, but I love Proleague...
I get irritated whenever Dan and Nick say on the air that the GSL is better because it's not closed off, then in the same breath they say that the sc2 teams are looking for sponsors. I don't particularly want to return to the days when teams had to eat ramen because they had no money, but I promised I wouldn't get back into that debate in that thread, so I won't.
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OGN and MBC do pay licensing fees. they play the same 3-4 songs for the players over and over in osl/msl Group Selection.
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I'm against I.P Law because the only backing that it "supposedly" has is utilitarian, which I don't think is particularly strong. Essientitally, people rationalize that if the creator can't extort some payment from anyone who uses/copies/samples, then creators lose incentive to create. And so the logic for I.P law is that it is needed to "protect" (protectionsim comes to mind) the fragile profitibility of creative works. Of course, there are examples that prove this wrong. Clothing and Fashion for the most part have no laws on them (some countries do, but, not surprisingly, the countries WITHOUT I.P Law on Clothes/Fashion have the highest gross in total sales), and they still have many designers with innovation.
The way I think of it that is hard to dispute, is that the commodities of ideas/music/video games are non-scarce; meaning, you can literally infinitely reproduce them, so that everyone can experience it WITHOUT theft/ loss of property. We can't share a car, if you drive it, then I can't; but if you have a CD, I can copy that CD on mine, we both have that CD. There's that Thomas Jefferson quote about it, along the lings of "someone who lights the candle of ideas with the flame of mine has not taken from me, nor at the expense of me."
Fun Fact: When Xerox Copiers became available, there was a big uproar over how bad that would be for authors because anyone could just photocopy your work.
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On October 01 2010 02:25 Delerium wrote:
The premise of this thread is actually an interesting example of how the retard mind can work.
User was warned for this post
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Wow, I never thought about it from this angle...
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oh ho, while I was away from my computer I pondered embellishing my post about the psychology of this blog entry, but I see someone has already fake-quoted and gotten warned for it! good thing I waited.
In all seriousness, I had made a remark to a starcraft-watching friend of mine about the music before, and he agreed that it was hypocritical. But really, the origin of that thought was a lot longer-standing than a recent conversation. As I said, many people besides myself presumed that that's what was going on, since e-sports is not a really profitable business- how could they afford to pay for all that music? Some of you may recall that the point of e-sports was to create cheap television programming. I had never seen discussion of it, so I wanted to post about it.
I had come to view the Blizzard-sponsored e-sports establishment as the enemy of Korean e-sports, so this detail acted as a symbol. It came to represent what was upsetting me: the possible disbanding of Proleague and the pro team houses, the death of the MSL and probably OSL. That became attached to the music I was hearing (which was presumed to be used inconsistently with the way Blizzard wanted StarCraft to be used). Then, when I heard it, it acted as a trigger. That whole process with the attachment of meaning was the part I found interesting.
Another interesting thing for all you armchair psychologists out there is that I had some self-awareness of this. I knew that I couldn't prove what I was saying in spite of how strongly I felt about it. So, there is an out. If you're vigilant about what's happening in your mind, you can stop yourself from putting your foot in your mouth!
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Netherlands6142 Posts
One thing that you left out (I think) but is important in your op (and you told me this a lot) is that they pick music that noone's heard. Like small local bands that just put stuff on their myspace and probably wont watch GSL anyway. OSL and MSL did this too so I guess you're right in calling them out as illegal (and thus making them hypocrites) but you don't have a point without showing us proof. I reckon you're right but without having a black-on-white what's the point.
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On October 01 2010 05:45 Delerium wrote:
oh ho, while I was away from my computer I pondered embellishing my post about the psychology of this blog entry, but I see someone has already fake-quoted and gotten warned for it! good thing I waited.
In all seriousness, I had made a remark to a starcraft-watching friend of mine about the music before, and he agreed that it was hypocritical. But really, the origin of that thought was a lot longer-standing than a recent conversation. As I said, many people besides myself presumed that that's what was going on, since e-sports is not a really profitable business- how could they afford to pay for all that music? Some of you may recall that the point of e-sports was to create cheap television programming. I had never seen discussion of it, so I wanted to post about it.
ya man totally SHOCKING that GSL and OGN can pay 4 the music. they pay millions for studio, broadcasters, prize money, camera crew, observers, makeup, artists, video producers, booths, computers, advertising, internet streams for millions of ppl, or to have their own TV channel. all of this is no problem, but like 10k for a few songs they play over and over, now that's just crazy yo, glad ur here 2 spot how weird that is. maybe u should call CNN right now.
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