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conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
A lot of mods become mods very shortly after joining and its because of merit not some arbitrary combination of post count and time joined, that's what your icon is. If you don't like it I imagine you shouldn't need to banned because you won't post here  An example I'll give is in any sc2 balance patch page that goes for 20+ pages I just skip everyone with low post count because 90% of them are just bitching about marauders or something stupid, and even if there's a number of people with decent feedback its much quicker to scroll through for the morrow or lalush posts. The exceptions are top players like demuslim and darkforce who don't have a lot of posts but obviously know what they're talking about. | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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Metalwing
Turkey1038 Posts
On September 19 2010 11:46 TheEpicLolz wrote: Power abusers much? Try Turkish Football Manager communities and think again. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Mods are given far too much of a personal judgement call when it comes to banning. I've seen some very unwarranted bannings from people simply stating their opinion, and while some of those opinions have been touchy subjects, they should be freely (and under the rules, often times are freely) allowed to express such. It pisses me off to high heaven, because this type of community I think by nature should encourage discussion, yet the moderation really discourages any. It also pisses me off because when it comes down to the site's previous and future endeavours and staff, it's really, really a great place. It's almost the best you could ask for of a third-party SC2 community site -- except moderation is just ridiculous. A good recent example is someone wanting to comment on the old Chill vs Combat-EX event, despite it's age. He didn't want to create a new topic, but still wanted to post about it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with topping a single, huge thread about something people still talk a ton about so he can chime in, especially when his grounds was not creating another thread about it -- what other choice did he have? Wait for the topic to spring-up in some other random thread? Anyway, he was banned for that. Yep. Another example is from a thread commemorating someone recently deceased. In the incident involving said deceased, an other party was clearly at fault on grounds of reckless behaviour. Someone in the thread said he thought this person should have been killed too, be put to death, or something along those lines. Another poster noted that that was pretty harsh, even given the stupid actions that caused the death(s). That poster got a warning, and was subsequently banned for defending his opinion. I understand the reasoning for giving him a warning, and even a banning -- respecting the thread and it's tribute -- but if he gets a warning, why shouldn't the other person? I wasn't surprised to see that ban not in the list of bans when I looked. I understand that, especially with so much traffic, moderators are there to eliminate the excess baggage -- three threads for one topic, shitty three-word attacks against an OP for no reason, etc -- but could you please maybe revise some of your policies? | ||
micronesia
United States24784 Posts
On September 19 2010 23:31 Cedstick wrote: Oh, man, this has been a blog post in the making for a while for me. Thanks for getting it started. From my perspective, though I do see many veteran posters getting away with regularly prohibited actions, it's not too huge a deal in terms of elitism, but general moderator conduct. Mods are given far too much of a personal judgement call when it comes to banning. I've seen some very unwarranted bannings from people simply stating their opinion, and while some of those opinions have been touchy subjects, they should be freely (and under the rules, often times are freely) allowed to express such. It pisses me off to high heaven, because this type of community I think by nature should encourage discussion, yet the moderation really discourages any. It also pisses me off because when it comes down to the site's previous and future endeavours and staff, it's really, really a great place. It's almost the best you could ask for of a third-party SC2 community site -- except moderation is just ridiculous. A good recent example is someone wanting to comment on the old Chill vs Combat-EX event, despite it's age. He didn't want to create a new topic, but still wanted to post about it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with topping a single, huge thread about something people still talk a ton about so he can chime in, especially when his grounds was not creating another thread about it -- what other choice did he have? Wait for the topic to spring-up in some other random thread? Anyway, he was banned for that. Yep. Another example is from a thread commemorating someone recently deceased. In the incident involving said deceased, an other party was clearly at fault on grounds of reckless behaviour. Someone in the thread said he thought this person should have been killed too, be put to death, or something along those lines. Another poster noted that that was pretty harsh, even given the stupid actions that caused the death(s). That poster got a warning, and was subsequently banned for defending his opinion. I understand the reasoning for giving him a warning, and even a banning -- respecting the thread and it's tribute -- but if he gets a warning, why shouldn't the other person? I wasn't surprised to see that ban not in the list of bans when I looked. I understand that, especially with so much traffic, moderators are there to eliminate the excess baggage -- three threads for one topic, shitty three-word attacks against an OP for no reason, etc -- but could you please maybe revise some of your policies? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=96227¤tpage=87#1726 On May 13 2010 19:47 DISHU wrote: come back combat x User was temp banned for this post. You consider this an acceptable bump? You didn't give enough details for me to look up the other case you are talking about but it doesn't sound like what normally happens. I get the feeling you haven't read this thread yet. Hm... didn't read thread -> complain about moderation without backing yourself up adequately.... this is the type of attitude we have to deal with daily... so don't be surprised if someone occasionally 'snaps' and does something slightly unprofessional. But... overall it is definitely the goal to moderate fairly and promote discussion while discouraging shit posting. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
*edit*I think my bias against the policies in general is factoring a lot in to this as well, on reflection; I think a lot of it is just my belief that some of the policies are too strict... uhh, which seems obvious now. Either way, that's my opinion. Hurpdurp, sentences starting to lose coherence. I'm going to bed before I stop making sense.*/edit* I've said this before, but when it comes down to it, my opinion really doesn't mean shit, I know. I just try and keep it fresh in moderators' minds when they're about ready to ban someone. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
If you visit the SC2 boards, of course you're going to drowned out. Almost everybody goes in there. Which is also a reason why I don't go in there anymore. I think the fact that you've gotten over 60 replies on this blog shows that your opinion is not of less worth than other people. In other words, get over it. | ||
SirJolt
the Dagon Knight4014 Posts
I'm not saying I'm definitely one of those, but if I were, where would that character fit into the list? D: | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On September 20 2010 00:42 SirJolt wrote: Some of us just make atrocious blog posts, then comment in a few blogs to try to pad our post count so we can do a blog post when we get to 250 posts and call it, "SirJolt's 250th Post Extravaganza." I'm not saying I'm definitely one of those, but if I were, where would that character fit into the list? D: Uh....if you have to make a post that celebrates your 250th post, that's not just spamming, that's incompetence. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
The decision to punish such violent-minded posts seems to indicate that TL's stance on wishing death on another human is: it's intolerable. Personally I think that's a perfectly civilized attitude, and TL would be worse off if posters could simply express murderous intent all willy-nilly. Death threats are treated very seriously in real society, and compared to death wishes, they're similar in the most basic idea: "I want him dead." Apologies if I totally misread the situation. Also I can't wait for SirJolt's 250th Post Extravaganza... his blogs have been generally entertaining. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
The decision to punish such violent-minded posts seems to indicate that TL's stance on wishing death on another human is: it's intolerable. Personally I think that's a perfectly civilized attitude, and TL would be worse off if posters could simply express murderous intent all willy-nilly. Death threats are treated very seriously in real society, and compared to death wishes, they're similar in the most basic idea: "I want him dead." Actually, it was the opposite, but equally justified. One person, as a reaction to such a horrible event, basically wished the reverse, that the stupid idiots died. Then some guy comes in and says how that isn't ethical, etc. Which is all good and true. However, the thread suddenly derailed into a debate about ethics. Which was clearly inappropriate for the situation at hand. A mod told them to drop it. The side championing death did, but the other guy did not, making an incredibly sarcastic statement to get "the last word". Indeed, he did get a "last word", though perhaps not in the way he imagined lol. | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
That is much different than : "I never played BW, but here is my opinions on why SC2 > BW, and why Flash would do badly since bw macro doesnt transfer over. Also nerf terrans, its so obvious blizerd. Even the fans can balance it better!! " - signed, 102 posts, joined Sept 2010. (hint: this line is the least offensive part of this.) | ||
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dani_caliKorea
730 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 20 2010 06:46 dani_caliKorea wrote: So why was the op banned? On September 20 2010 03:20 emperorchampion wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154252 ahaha good riddance | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27174 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:08 EchOne wrote: I think Cedstick maybe referring to the thread on the death of that Relic developer who suffered a car accident with some intoxicated people who were changing clothes at the wheel. Some people got emotional at the sheer ridiculousness of that party's behavior and made death wishes and such. The decision to punish such violent-minded posts seems to indicate that TL's stance on wishing death on another human is: it's intolerable. Personally I think that's a perfectly civilized attitude, and TL would be worse off if posters could simply express murderous intent all willy-nilly. Death threats are treated very seriously in real society, and compared to death wishes, they're similar in the most basic idea: "I want him dead." Apologies if I totally misread the situation. Also I can't wait for SirJolt's 250th Post Extravaganza... his blogs have been generally entertaining. If he is talking about the Relic thread, that thread was a special exemption because of the personal connection between the victim and the forum. There are many other threads where the same debate can and has been held. That was not one of them. And as for the Combat-Ex thing, bump it with something useful or don't bother. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On September 20 2010 06:46 dani_caliKorea wrote: So why was the op banned? he kept making threads without substance or had already been discussed and they kept getting closed then he started making blogs complaining about threads getting closed and mods http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154252 | ||
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