The Teamliquid Community.. and my views on it. xD - Page 2

OreoBoi

Canada1639 Posts

September 19 2010 03:15 GMT

#21

I'm going to assume that this came from what happened in your previous thread. You don't get respect here until you earn it, same as everywhere else. You don't get repsect by coming in and saying "Yeah I'm switching race, all you people are QQing too much". My first impression of you after that post is "I'M IMPORTANT, EVERYONE LOOK AT ME". This is probably not you, but thats the vibe I got from your last thread. Your post count may not be a representation of you, but what you post definitely is. To be honest, you're last post should have been a blog, and the people telling you that are not trying to be mods, they're trying to tell you what type of post belongs in the SC2 section and what belongs in blogs.

I don't think I agree with the order 4-7, it should be like:
4. Good posters with lots of posts
5. Good posters with small amounts posts
6. Bad posters with lots of posts
7. Bad posters with small posts

The things is that a lot of new members join teamliquid and they don't understand the posting policies implemented here. All the things you mentioned in your list of A through E can get you banned, so a person with high post count must have done something constructive to not be perma-banned.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

September 19 2010 03:16 GMT

#22

Back in 2005, I thought the same thing. My first account had about 2.5k posts on it and I asked for it to be banned because I didn't like the system or some shit like that. Then I realized I was the douchebag with the problem and I was a shitty poster and pretty much cleaned up. Once you're here for a while you realize it's not elitism, it's just that we come to know each other. I don't always agree with the people on this site, but I have come to respect many of them because I have read their posts for a long time.

When new posters come in doing stuff like posting a thread for the fifth or sixth time, we don't tell them that it's a thread that's already been made because we hate them, we tell them because they're breaking the forum etiquette/customs/rules and need to be educated. We're not trying to moderate them. We're just giving them notice that "hey, you should search before posting to see if it's been posted" because we don't want the site cluttered with dozens of exactly similar threads.

Also, we warn you so the mods don't. Us saying something is better than an official mod warning, because those count against you for bans.

TheEpicLolz

Canada72 Posts

September 19 2010 03:16 GMT

#23

I remember there was this thread called a "Coup detat". In TvZ you basically use nukes end-game to attack several different fronts to throw a zerg army off. Or was it TvT? Either way, I remember the thread beign enormous, having lots of positive replies, and actually being filled with information. It was somewhat... idealistic, but it was a very fun thread. However, some random moderator thought it would be a good idea to close a thread that people were actually having a fun discussion with. I find that sorta weird, because the only reason given was "Don't be stupid".

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

September 19 2010 03:19 GMT

#24

It's so much harder now to build a "character" on TL nowadays

TheEpicLolz

Canada72 Posts

September 19 2010 03:21 GMT

#25

Well the thing with forums is, it's very easy to judge a person based on a single action xD

Let's say for example haji, that the first post I ever saw of you was something I would consider douchey. After that point, it would be very hard for me to change my impression of you, regardless of how great of a contributor you are to teamliquid as a whole(and we all know you are lol). The first post of yours that I did see was you welcoming me to Teamliquid on my other blog post, and so I now consider you one of the nicer people on TL. It's weird how that works out, and how simple it is.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

September 19 2010 03:24 GMT

#26

On September 19 2010 12:21 TheEpicLolz wrote:
Well the thing with forums is, it's very easy to judge a person based on a single action xD

I mean the flip side of this is that, you do a few epic things on a site, and then everyone knows you in a positive manner right?

TheEpicLolz

Canada72 Posts

September 19 2010 03:25 GMT

#27

On September 19 2010 12:24 thedeadhaji wrote:

Show nested quote +

I mean the flip side of this is that, you do a few epic things on a site, and then everyone knows you in a positive manner right?

Like make the most epicest blog evahhh? lolz :D

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

September 19 2010 03:27 GMT

#28

On September 19 2010 12:25 TheEpicLolz wrote:

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Like make the most epicest blog evahhh? lolz :D

refer to djetterstyle's japan blogs

Lexpar

1813 Posts

September 19 2010 03:28 GMT

#29

The Epic Lolz is making The Epicest blog eva Lolz? This can be no coincidence.

andeh

United States904 Posts

September 19 2010 03:28 GMT

#30

Just remember, if you think tl is bad. There is a korean site where you can't even post for the first 6 months you're a member.

TheEpicLolz

Canada72 Posts

September 19 2010 03:29 GMT

#31

^ Will do. I've roamed around on the blogs section and noticed how epic some of the blogs are. Now if only I had the time to write something actually super meaningful, with proper grammar.

disciple

9071 Posts

September 19 2010 03:30 GMT

#32

The system works great. Many of the users with higher post counts were generally pretty bad at posting in their first couple of months in TL (I was smth like SuperArc but my english was worse), but the good thing is, that TL always gives you a chance to fit in and find your way to contribute. Ofc when you are willing to do so. When I've settled for doing gfx for a long period of time I was absolutely hopeless in it, but I kept sharing my work and ppl were very encouraging to me. So its pretty much about your intentions really, its great that the current system rewards the good effort and destroys the baal like attitude on sight

Lightwip

United States5497 Posts

September 19 2010 03:33 GMT

#33

On September 19 2010 12:25 TheEpicLolz wrote:

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Like make the most epicest blog evahhh? lolz :D

Translating is a big one. Look at Milkis for an example.

TheEpicLolz

Canada72 Posts

September 19 2010 03:35 GMT

#34

You know, I really wish there was like.. SOMETHING big that I could contribute using my sets of skill and knowledge.

The only thing I could really do is provide free SC2 lessons. But, that would be on the SC2 forums, and well... Nobody gives two shits about the SC2 forums.

Maybe I'll make another blog post, and ask people about ways I could positively contribute to this site. xD

TheAntZ

Israel6248 Posts

September 19 2010 03:38 GMT

#35

On September 19 2010 11:46 TheEpicLolz wrote:
The teamliquid community is a very confusing place. It's welcoming at times, and then, at others, it's the shittiest place anyone with any opinion can go to. Part of the reason why it's so confusing is because of the really solid heirarchy, which basically goes like this:

1. Admins and actual Teamliquid members.
2. Mods
3. People who contribute a lot to the site. A.K.A meaningful blogs, etc.
4. People with lots of posts.
5. People with lots of posts.
6. People with a low amount of posts.
7. People with very low posts.
8. People who are newcomers to the site.

4-7 are where I have problems. The reason I have problems with 4-7 is that, quite a few times, the people with "lots of posts" got those posts from either

A. Trying to be wannabe mods.
B. Flaming others (refer to A)
C. 4 word posts. "Lol Cool story bro."
D. Flaming others (refer to A-B)
E. Trying to be mods.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=cool story bro&t=c&f=-1&u=&gb=date

Do you see how many hits that phrase has on the automated ban list? Dont post mindless garbage without checking your facts. The people who have really high post counts here have them because they were able to follow the rules, at least enough not to get kicked out permanently. The rules include not flaming others baselessly and backseat modding, so again, full of shit.

On September 19 2010 11:46 TheEpicLolz wrote:
Not saying that there aren't people with several meaningful posts, but really, this is what I've been seeing from a lot of the "veterans".

I don't like this system. I don't like how, just because I'm a bit newer to this community than someone else, my opinion all of a sudden is of less worth. You don't know what kind of person I am, and my post count definitely is not a direct reflection of myself.

No its not. But read my previous point, people with high post counts have proven they can at least reign their idiocy in enough to not get banned. Theres no guarantee a low post count user isnt an idiot. Theres simply not enough evidence to support that, seeing as you havent made enough posts. The more posts you make, the easier it is to judge you by them, and if by that time you're still here, it means that you're alright.

On September 19 2010 11:46 TheEpicLolz wrote:
I also have problems with some of the mods. Not saying all of you are bad but... Power abusers much? This is a blog so I feel like I can express my opinion when I say, wow... Some of the mods are the biggest trolls I have ever seen. You may contribute a bit to the site, but don't ruin your reputations by being so incredibly harsh to people. Yes, there are several people that deserve some of this harshness, but try to be reasonable with it.

Why should they? How does it benefit them not to have fun in THEIR house, a site of their creation, belonging to and run by them? Who are you to tell them what they do on their own site? They could go around and pm all the members horse porn and then ban them, and it still wouldnt be out of line, they have every right to do anything they want on their own site. Make your own site and you'll see noones gonna have a right to tell you what you can or cannot do on it either.

On September 19 2010 11:46 TheEpicLolz wrote:
The only way for a community to be seen as welcoming, is if it is actually welcoming. Teamliquid's a great site, but on the community side of things, it's EXTREMELY unwelcoming at times. I just wish it wasn't like this, and that there were ways for everyone to be able to express themselves equally, without the need for posts like, "Use the search function noob", or "cool story bro."

Again, people calling others noobs randomly, or cool story bro'ing, get warned or banned. Where the hell is this drivel spouting from?

On September 19 2010 11:46 TheEpicLolz wrote:
If I have something I want to say, I don't want to have to make 1000 points beforehand, just to say it. That's really all I'm saying.

If what you have to say is worth hearing, people will listen. Theres a lot of low post count users on this site that are HIGHLY respected because of how well thought out their threads and posts are. If you're not gonna put any effort into it and go 'OmG tRrran iz imbalLAnced we shud totlayl delte from sc2 LOL XD EPIC WIN XD'
no, noone wants to hear it

disciple

9071 Posts

September 19 2010 03:39 GMT

#36

There is a tone of work in Liquipedia, I think thats one of the quickest ways to get into contributing

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

September 19 2010 03:40 GMT

#37

On September 19 2010 12:30 disciple wrote:
The system works great. Many of the users with higher post counts were generally pretty bad at posting in their first couple of months in TL (I was smth like SuperArc but my english was worse), but the good thing is, that TL always gives you a chance to fit in and find your way to contribute. Ofc when you are willing to do so. When I've settled for doing gfx for a long period of time I was absolutely hopeless in it, but I kept sharing my work and ppl were very encouraging to me. So its pretty much about your intentions really, its great that the current system rewards the good effort and destroys the baal like attitude on sight

oh man I remember when i first joined I made a spoiler post in the vod tracker thread and got smashed for it ><

konadora

Singapore66363 Posts

September 19 2010 03:44 GMT

#38

i think it lies in the generalisation that low count posters = bad posters, due to the influx of newcomers to the site thanks to SC2. of course, with these number of new posters, there are BOUND to be people who make retarded posts. it's just the few that spoil the image of the whole. tbh i felt that way in the beginning too, but later on, the bad posters were weeded out, things are getting better now imo. just takes time to adjust to the new wave of sc2-ians.

Kimaker

United States2131 Posts

September 19 2010 03:45 GMT

#39

As a general rule, you don't accumulate 3k posts by spewing nothing but swill. Does it probably happen? Sure. But take a look at the SC2 section and you'll see tons of people with 400 posts who still have worker icons. And not ever post HAS TO BE meaningful.

intrigue

Washington, D.C9935 Posts

September 19 2010 03:46 GMT

#40

new posters are like puppies, like yeah they can be really cute and nice but if they aren't house trained they'll still shit all over the floor. now imagine a room full of nerdy puppies excited over the release of a popular pc game's sequel, spewing their wastes and dirtying their paws and spreading it everywhere, just everywhere like on the walls and windows and on your shirt and face. once it starts, there's no cleaning it up. that's why we are pretty strict with our rules - ultimately the only thing you need to do to not get banned is to be able to control your e-bowels.

this analogy is apt for the poster population as a whole, because older dogs are also quite prone to losing control of their various sphincters. but when a dog you really love makes a doo-doo, it's more like "aww you poor doggie you".

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