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Would you consider him to be the best Zerg player? Most would say yes (given that he's played a decent amount). Would you consider him to be the best SC2 player?
There is likely imbalance, but what I'm saying is to try your best at full force and attempt a lot of different things. People who aren't near the top should never complain about balance. If you are a Zerg player who is in 1000 diamond and lost to a 1000 diamond Terran player, a 1400 diamond Zerg player would likely beat him.
Summary: There may be imbalance, but there is always room for improvement. When the time comes and everything is close to balanced, you'll be at the top. Right now is a great opportunity to improve.
PS: Marauders OP.
  
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wtf how would we know. It depends if he won or not. If he didn't transition well for whatever reason then no.
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On September 15 2010 12:33 Goxinatic wrote:
Would you consider him to be the best Zerg player? Most would say yes (given that he's played a decent amount). Would you consider him to be the best SC2 player?
There is likely imbalance, but what I'm saying is to try your best at full force and attempt a lot of different things. People who aren't near the top should never complain about balance. If you are a Zerg player who is in 1000 diamond and lost to a 1000 diamond Terran player, a 1400 diamond Zerg player would likely beat him.
Summary: There may be imbalance, but there is always room for improvement. When the time comes and everything is close to balanced, you'll be at the top. Right now is a great opportunity to improve.
PS: Marauders OP.
It's important to consider balance from the top, but there are flaws in your point. Stork beat Koll with scouts. Does that mean scouts are good units?
1400Z vs 1000T doesn't show balance because skill makes a bigger difference. 1000Z vs 1000T might show a better example - but you're correct that a good amount of it could be changed by just playing better. Still, equal-skill players should produce roughly equal results.
In any case, you've got to play the game you're given.
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While Jeadong's mechanics are top-notch insane, it seems that his creative play is not his strong-suit.
Also, that's exactly what you need to be great at sc2, adaptability and creativity, along with mechanics.
Seems JD would be a beast regardless of balance though.
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I would definitely like to see how the SC1 progamers do in SC2. While July isn't as good as Jaedong, he's certainly been doing quite well in SC2!
A large part of it has to do with their training schedules and work ethics, don't forget. It's not *just* because they're Korean (lol). They practice a shitload. Non-stop. Of course they're going to get better, faster. If a progamer applied a similar training schedule to SC2, he'd do extremely well. He'd certainly make his way towards the top very soon, I think.
They'd most likely even be able to beat the top Terrans too. (Blasphemy, I know!) Of course, they need some time.
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Just seeing Nada playing vs TLO is enough to say that any BW progamer can catch up on the best foreigners in a few weeks / months. I am looking forward to reading a SC2 version of 'Foreigners suck' by our beloved Rekrul.
If JD played SC2, he would rape everyone.
Unless Flash played SC2 as well !
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Simply put, if Jaedong played SC2, he would make zerg look amazingly OP.
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I don't see how your two points are related at all but okay
On September 15 2010 12:38 endy wrote:
Just seeing Nada playing vs TLO is enough to say that any BW progamer can catch up on the best foreigners in a few weeks / months. I am looking forward to reading a SC2 version of 'Foreigners suck' by our beloved Rekrul.
If JD played SC2, he would rape everyone.
Unless Flash played SC2 as well !
SC2 has only been out a few weeks / months
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The learning curve for Starcraft 2 is (obviously) extremely more lenient for beginning players.
Any Korean progamer could pick up the game today and become really good in just a couple of weeks/months.
If Jaedong played, I wouldn't be surprised if he got crazy good with the practice Korean pros put in.
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On September 15 2010 12:38 endy wrote:
Just seeing Nada playing vs TLO is enough to say that any BW progamer can catch up on the best foreigners in a few weeks / months. I am looking forward to reading a SC2 version of 'Foreigners suck' by our beloved Rekrul.
If JD played SC2, he would rape everyone.
Unless Flash played SC2 as well !
Really?
I thought the showmatch showed TLO basically rofling all over Nada, except when he decided to be cute and put on a nuke show compared to games 1 and 3.
Having the base mechanics in place is certainly a help, but July and such have said that as everyone has solid macro now, the major thing is decision-making and strategy, which are things nonkoreans tend to look at more than pure mechanical power. A top SC1 player will no doubt become a top SC2 player if they put in the same effort, but it's not autowin when moving over.
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On September 15 2010 12:54 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 12:38 endy wrote:
Just seeing Nada playing vs TLO is enough to say that any BW progamer can catch up on the best foreigners in a few weeks / months. I am looking forward to reading a SC2 version of 'Foreigners suck' by our beloved Rekrul.
If JD played SC2, he would rape everyone.
Unless Flash played SC2 as well ! Really? I thought the showmatch showed TLO basically rofling all over Nada, except when he decided to be cute and put on a nuke show compared to games 1 and 3. Having the base mechanics in place is certainly a help, but July and such have said that as everyone has solid macro now, the major thing is decision-making and strategy, which are things nonkoreans tend to look at more than pure mechanical power. A top SC1 player will no doubt become a top SC2 player if they put in the same effort, but it's not autowin when moving over.
When you mean everyone, you mean all the top players right?
First off, that's sort of a given. The same can almost be said about SC2....except for Flash who had unparalleled Macro. And secondly, I don't think decision making and strategy and "mechanical power" are mutually exclusive.
By honing your mechanics, timings, builds, whatever, you also get used to variations, changes that you didn't expect, surprises, etc, that also enhances decision making abilities.
Strategy only helps in so far as your ability to think on the spot. And unless you're TLO and you can think up of some crazy schemes on the spot, it's not going to help you as much. Strategy is a double edged sword in the sense that coming up with something cute is potentially throwing you out of situations you're comfortable in.
So yes, it's true that everyone has solid macro, but a Korean with "pure mechanical power" can be just as good if not better than a foreigner in decision-making and strategy since they focus so hard on it.
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On September 15 2010 12:38 404.Half wrote:
While Jeadong's mechanics are top-notch insane, it seems that his creative play is not his strong-suit.
Also, that's exactly what you need to be great at sc2, adaptability and creativity, along with mechanics.
Seems JD would be a beast regardless of balance though.
Why do you say that Jaedong's creativty is not his strong suit? If I'm not mistaken he is the one that really came up with, and perfect the 3 hat spire - 5 hatch hydra build that became the gold standard for ZvP, and his contributed many other things such as demonstrating the effectiveness of muta sniping templar and popularizing there use for that purpose.
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the problem is a 1000 point zerg would generally have superior mechanics and understanding then a 1000 rated terran or protoss.
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If Jaedong started to play SC2, Zerg would be imbalanced.
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On September 15 2010 13:23 kineSiS- wrote:
If Jaedong started to play SC2, Zerg would be imbalanced.
I second this.
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Jaedong and FlaSh practice the same amount as other progamers yet they are far above the rest. Why? The same reason that there are world class grandmaster chess players and very good competitive chess players that can't reach the same level - they're smarter than their competition, have more talent and are probably geniuses.
If Jaedong started SC2, it would not be a question of if he could succeed but it would be a question of when he would do so.
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sc2 is a hard transition, for everybody. who knows if he'll be good or not
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Did this make sense to anyone? I understand there's a point but its buried under the halfassed rhetoric, contradictions and weird format
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If Jaedong played sc2, he'd pick terran. After all, speed reapers are the closest thing sc2 has to brood war mutalisks 
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On September 15 2010 12:54 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 12:38 endy wrote:
Just seeing Nada playing vs TLO is enough to say that any BW progamer can catch up on the best foreigners in a few weeks / months. I am looking forward to reading a SC2 version of 'Foreigners suck' by our beloved Rekrul.
If JD played SC2, he would rape everyone.
Unless Flash played SC2 as well ! Really? I thought the showmatch showed TLO basically rofling all over Nada, except when he decided to be cute and put on a nuke show compared to games 1 and 3. Having the base mechanics in place is certainly a help, but July and such have said that as everyone has solid macro now, the major thing is decision-making and strategy, which are things nonkoreans tend to look at more than pure mechanical power. A top SC1 player will no doubt become a top SC2 player if they put in the same effort, but it's not autowin when moving over.
TLO won by doing things that were very aggressive and probably threw nada off since he had no real practice for the matches.
in game 2 however, nada outplayed TLO in all aspects. (the one game, where nada did not suffer a disadvantage early on)
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