I've felt this way since the beginning, but I've never really let it happen.
As some or most of you may know I'm a rather mild-mannered poster on Team Liquid. Never been in a flame war. Never called anyone names seriously. Never argued with anyone in IRC. The only time I was ever banned was for that cool story bro thread. I didn't know it was against the rules but I got what I deserved. Anyway. Credentials aside.
Anyone ever take a look at all the bad posts and posters and get the urge to just fuck it all up? Kill that clean record? Ever since StarCraft 2 came out I've been getting this urge here and there. I just want to quote every one of these bad posts with the comment "yeah... I think you're full of shit." Or find some random admin (Like Plexa, my favorite admin!) and quote some bullshit and stir up a storm. Then get banned and rant in IRC about it until I get banned from that too. Then play SC2 and BM everyone.
I would never do any of that stuff though. But I think about it all the time.
Is this normal?
Is this like your average "One of these days I'm gonna shoot this place up!" rampage?
Alternating between wading through the bullshit and carrying the banhammer gives me enough variety to fight the urge. I generally choose between whether to moderate a thread or participate in a thread (or neither lol)
oh, and what really makes you wanna kill a kitten after a while is reading posts that start out with, "i'm 900 so and so diamond." I mean...why not just put, "I was D- iccup" at the start of ur post?
the trick is to subtly curse them in your post. master the art of trolling, get them banned instead of you!
but yeah why would you be this clean "mild-mannered" poster? its no fun, and theres nothing spectacular to remember you by. sure, people will occasionally enjoy your posts, know that you're a nice person and all, but in the end it doesn't even matter.
On September 09 2010 14:27 avilo wrote: i get this urge every few moments while reading the sc2 sections, especially sc2 strategy.
Yeah I've gone ahead and closed that tab of the forums, can't take it
As for you OP, yeah there are always those moments where you want to just flip out, especially with the influx. But keep at it and keep being a mannered poster, teach them through example!
On September 09 2010 14:29 seRapH wrote: the trick is to subtly curse them in your post. master the art of trolling, get them banned instead of you!
but yeah why would you be this clean "mild-mannered" poster? its no fun, and theres nothing spectacular to remember you by. sure, people will occasionally enjoy your posts, know that you're a nice person and all, but in the end it doesn't even matter.
There is at least one or two admins (I believe) on this site who have to delete half their posts directly before clicking 'post' because it drives them crazy sometimes lol
I don't really feel this way on TL... but every time I am around a large group of people and everyone is silent/acting normal I get this urge to say/do something obscene. It's more like a horrifying fear that somehow manifests itself -like when I see something scary I get the urge to look at it again.
On September 09 2010 14:30 Lightwip wrote: I've been close to. Eventually I usually delete inflammatory posts before I actually post them because I realize it really isn;t worth it.
Pretty much this haha. I read it over and go "Would this get me banned/warned?". Hell, sometimes I post it anyways and it doesn't kick in until I get the 'post submitted' that I should go back and edit it to make not sound like I'm not a total dick. It's not an every day thing, but once every couple weeks or something I find myself in that situation.
I posted a comment I was 95% sure I was going to get a warning for if not temp banned... and low and behold that is exactly what happened. I was just so incredibly annoyed with the stupid topic and the masses of fake condolences that were sure to follow.
Better that way than to post something that would get me in real trouble, I like this place too much.
On September 09 2010 14:24 DivinO wrote: I've felt this way since the beginning, but I've never really let it happen.
As some or most of you may know I'm a rather mild-mannered poster on Team Liquid. Never been in a flame war. Never called anyone names seriously. Never argued with anyone in IRC. The only time I was ever banned was for that cool story bro thread. I didn't know it was against the rules but I got what I deserved. Anyway. Credentials aside.
Anyone ever take a look at all the bad posts and posters and get the urge to just fuck it all up? Kill that clean record? Ever since StarCraft 2 came out I've been getting this urge here and there. I just want to quote every one of these bad posts with the comment "yeah... I think you're full of shit." Or find some random admin (Like Plexa, my favorite admin!) and quote some bullshit and stir up a storm. Then get banned and rant in IRC about it until I get banned from that too. Then play SC2 and BM everyone.
I would never do any of that stuff though. But I think about it all the time.
Is this normal?
Is this like your average "One of these days I'm gonna shoot this place up!" rampage?
What's wrong with me?
everytime i read any sc2 topic i get this urge soooo bad
On September 09 2010 14:34 Loser777 wrote: I don't really feel this way on TL... but every time I am around a large group of people and everyone is silent/acting normal I get this urge to say/do something obscene. It's more like a horrifying fear that somehow manifests itself -like when I see something scary I get the urge to look at it again.
LOL i feel the urge to do that all the time! hahaha but yeah i really just stay away from SCII threads. ignorance is bliss!
Used to feel the urge a lot and I'd actually act upon it quite often. Nowadays I maintain an apathetic attitude towards everything so not many things phase me.
Hahaha, this is exactly how I feel whenever I read the sc2 forums mostly. And sometimes I do break and I point out the million stupid things in a person's post, but right now I have just limited my posting to control myself.
yes, I have been getting this urge more and more frequently as of late it's mostly the imba this imba that, correct this now correct that now, "I think blizzard are complete morons for not correcting this obviouslyserious issue" threads
and the pseudo-hippie-ideological-theories-everyone-come-and-argue-with-me-right-now-even-though-it's-obvious-you-ain't-gonna-change-my-mind-whatever-you-say threads
also any threads that get merit simply because they have long OPs with nice pictures but when you think about it their entire post is based on a single shitty idea or several unfounded assumptions/biases in their thinking
oh and any threads where people start raging and talking shit against various parties when they don't even realize that they have perhaps 1% of the whole picture in front of them and that they're making massive emotionally-fueled and illogical assumptions
i always have the urge to troll the shit out of people, but i'm not sure i understand the mods' respective senses of humor well enough to pull it off, especially since the advent of the sc2 banhammer.
I do all the time. I just wish people thought critically about what they're saying before they posted- most people think emotionally, which just isnt good for proper debate.
Usually I start typing something out and then after 3 paragraphs, realize its TLDR-worthy and hit the back button.
I remember once some kid made a blog complaining about this job agency he gave 50 bucks to - they found him a job in some factory.He left the job at like lunchtime and was disgusted they couldn't find him anything good so he wrote a blog on here asking if he should sue the agency to get his 50 bucks back.
It was embarrassing to read , a search would probably dig it up.Hard to believe people are so naive not to realise how fucked the US economy actually is? Kid should have just taken the job till he could find something better but i guess he prefers to sit at his parents place playing video games all day or whatever.
I only feel that way when I myself have anger stored up and need a vent. Letting it out on the tl forums isn't exactly the best idea as you pointed out. Usually I scan the pages for posters I know and like so I won't get pissed off by crappy posters doing their business.
Only once I was really angry and went on IRC to complain because Chill closed a blog of mine (with a perfectly fine, slightly chauvinistic insider joke!) but nobody listened so that was that
i feel you bro. i see endless comments and ideas that are so factually baseless that it makes me angry and want to shake the person violently screaming WHATS WRONG WITH YOU! The problem I have is that I care too much. Someone who has obviously wrong ideas I feel with just a little logical explanation will see the truth, but that never ends up being the case.
What I learned I have to do is just not give a shit. You gotta let it slide because there is WAAAY too much ignorance out there to try and set everyone straight.
Pretty much every time someone quotes me and disagrees with something I say in the SC2 forums. Not because I absolutely have to be right, but because they say the most retarded things that seek to defy not just my argument but every commonly held principle of Starcraft strategy or gameplay we have known for years, out of their own sheer all encompassing ignorance of everything Starcraft related.
So I either go back and break down everything into the most simplistic terms, which takes forever and there's no guarantee they won't completely fail to understand that as well, or I rage at them and get warned/temp banned, or I just stop and realize what a fruitless endeavor it all is
On September 09 2010 14:32 micronesia wrote: There is at least one or two admins (I believe) on this site who have to delete half their posts directly before clicking 'post' because it drives them crazy sometimes lol
Happens to me pretty often as well. Or I just delete my own post right after posting it :x
I was getting frustrated with this too so a few months ago I just slowed down my posting a shitload. I rarely post anymore and I especially never get into arguments with people on TL. It's not a big deal not posting more than once or twice a week for me. I've never really cared about my post count. It took me nearly a year to actually register on TL anyways.
I just don't pay attention to those posts. When i read good post i enjoy it, when i read bad post i say fuck that dumbass and go my way to other posts. Only problem is when i am pissed off in RL, i might post in an insulting way. Also i don't follow SC2 too much, so it makes life a lot easier ^^
This is actually the way it is on all text based forums. TL is even amazingly good when compared to less moderated forums. Take a look at the blizzard forums?
The problem is that you can't change peoples' minds against their will. Period. We're all human and as such we're stubborn idiots that can't face that we might be wrong, and most of all that someone else figured it out and is publicly calling you out on your mistake. This is as true on all forums as it is in the outside world. What makes it even worse is that the nature of forums, being mostly more or less public makes it extremely easy for someone to voice his ill-informed opinion in a way that you might not see in life.
The final straw, then, is that where in the outside world there's always violence as a last refuge, on the internet there is only unanswered frustration
An interesting point that someone else made early in the thread is that while your mild-mannered and considered responses will almost inevitably be astronomically greater in worth than the average forum post, but as a result you will be left out of the conversation as when it boils down to it a typical thread consists of two radically opposing groups or individuals arguing for polar opposites of opinion - often resorting to namecalling and nearly always overemphasizing their own case, while devaluing that of their opponents.
Ugh, I sometimes wonder why I even bother reading forums - human nature really does make you sick
Trust me- i got that urge, then i acted on it. Then i got banned. Stay civil, and go bash noobs on us east or something- because if you don't, you get banned- and that sucks. Trust me!
On September 09 2010 18:15 ondik wrote: whenever I see "inb4" or any other 4chan shit I feel like punching something..someone
Amen.
TL is a pretty high-quality forum given its subject matter, I think. I hung around WCR for a few years and towards the tail end of it I'd literally be face palming myself and muttering aloud how fucking stupid everybody was. It could just be mostly the grade A moderation and asshole purging, but all in all TL carries itself pretty well
I think this site has actually improved in terms of manners. Ya there seems to be an influx of stupidity and immaturity as this site has grown to some super mega site, but all-in-all, ppl seem more "mannered" than a few years ago? Or maybe I've just become desensitized to teenagers?
I've gotten upset at TL posts that's for sure. It sometimes lingers for awhile until I see a group of teenagers walk down my street and everything gets immediately put into perspective for me. Those "kids" could be the same age as the posters on TL.net. haha.. no wonder we bash heads, they're fuckin 3x my age.
Haha I tend to want to lose it everytime i hover over the Starcraft 2 Section. I'm so glad TL has the minimize sidebar thing our else i'll have a heart attack!
i rage induce myself all the time. it might be because i make it a habit to read the whole thread before posting so by the time in through 6 pages of oaw;iejfa;owefija;weof i'm about to kill someone when i reply.
Basically every time I read posts from the people who, rather than try to get good at the game, complain that the game is imbalanced. Admittedly, I have complained (not on TL, but to my stream) about balance, but only when I am angry from losing a long game. When reviewing the replays, I always concur that it is in fact not balance, but rather my own mistakes that lead me to the loss. I try to stay away from balance threads, because I feel that some of these people are just a little too unbelievably ignorant.
On September 10 2010 01:26 Empyrean wrote: Have you even compared this board with the battle.net forums? I swear they're as bad as youtube comments :/
Comments on the blizzard updates make me cry inside. "OmG!! Only one zerg in tope ten meenz imbalens!"
On September 10 2010 01:23 mahnini wrote: i rage induce myself all the time. it might be because i make it a habit to read the whole thread before posting so by the time in through 6 pages of oaw;iejfa;owefija;weof i'm about to kill someone when i reply.
Agreed. When you first read a thread that has been going for a little while, say 6+ pages, the length can add to the rage.
I don't reply to the stupid posts in the first couple pages because I still need to the read the rest. Then, when you run into more absurd posts before replying to any of the other ones, the rage builds. Makes me think how all the dumb people went uncorrected before I got there. Maybe that's where the rage comes from: a disappointment in TL.
Instead of posting angry replies, my practice is to type out my rage post and then erase it rather than posting it. It's really a fantastic solution.
Naw never got the urge, there are so many dumb people and elaborate trolls on these forums it isn't worth getting irritated over. It's pretty amusing actually.
Only at the mods and the really high post count people who think they are gods and act like douchebags knowing that they won't face any repercussions. Meanwhile everyone has to be nice in replying to the troll-laced, down-syndrome induced, spastic post lest they be banned.
tl;dr Mods/high post count "vets" are the most rude and biggest trolls on the site but get away with it because TL is an awkward hierarchy instead of a community with integrity and uniformly enforced rules
On September 10 2010 04:58 cz wrote: Only at the mods and the really high post count people who think they are gods and act like douchebags knowing that they won't face any repercussions. Meanwhile everyone has to be nice in replying to the troll-laced, down-syndrome induced, spastic post lest they be banned.
tl;dr Mods/high post count "vets" are the most rude and biggest trolls on the site but get away with it because TL is an awkward hierarchy instead of a community with integrity and uniformly enforced rules
On September 10 2010 04:58 cz wrote: Only at the mods and the really high post count people who think they are gods and act like douchebags knowing that they won't face any repercussions. Meanwhile everyone has to be nice in replying to the troll-laced, down-syndrome induced, spastic post lest they be banned.
tl;dr Mods/high post count "vets" are the most rude and biggest trolls on the site but get away with it because TL is an awkward hierarchy instead of a community with integrity and uniformly enforced rules
On September 10 2010 04:58 cz wrote: Only at the mods and the really high post count people who think they are gods and act like douchebags knowing that they won't face any repercussions. Meanwhile everyone has to be nice in replying to the troll-laced, down-syndrome induced, spastic post lest they be banned.
tl;dr Mods/high post count "vets" are the most rude and biggest trolls on the site but get away with it because TL is an awkward hierarchy instead of a community with integrity and uniformly enforced rules
User was temp banned for this post.
lol, okay there is a little (LITTLE) more leeway for veterans, but they can get banned just as easily as everyone else; a little too much exaggeration in your post
sometimes people even get banned for not breaking the rules; it all depends on how much the particular mod(s) who came across your post was feeling at the time, and how they felt reading it, BAN
lots of us had to endure misunderstandings and consequential week/month long bans, but i agree with the part about having to post extremely nicely in all manners in order to totally evade the possibility of ban
To answer question to op no. I like tl. I met some of the people had a fun time, played sc with members, talked about sc, watched sc etc. But if tl becomes a source of stress to me, it means I'm taking it too seriously and I am getting too attached to tl. Tl is a big part of my life but it isn't all of it.
I am pretty sure this would be a lot different if I was a moderator/staff though.
You know there is that urge, but I waste enough time as is on TL already, so I always (try to) fight the urge to comment on anything that is truly stupid. Generally ignoring is the best policy.
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