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[SC2 T] Losing to P all-ins and a small rant

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roflpie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Estonia93 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 16:50:40
August 20 2010 16:44 GMT
#1
I've been losing to 4 gate allins lately even after scouting them and bunkering up. I'm usually doing the 1/1/1 build, usually starting with a 2 marauder 2 marine 2 hellion attack then transitioning into tanks/raven/marine/marauder or when it's a big map I'm going marines with reactor and tanks + raven. For some reason the toss can still break my defenses even when I'm bunkered. Here are some replays if anyone bothers to watch them (I'm around 700 diamond):

Game 1
Game 2

Also, it pisses me off when players blame T for being unbalanced when losing (both P and Z). It's like a safety net to fall back on instead of admitting your mistakes to yourself and trying to improve. But no, they swear and call T imba even after trying something as pathetic as 2 gate proxying a terran.

EDIT: Fixed, Chill.

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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
August 20 2010 16:46 GMT
#2
It's not a push, it's an attack.
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
August 20 2010 16:58 GMT
#3
But terran is imba. The only reason I'm not playing zerg is because of terran.

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schiznak
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia258 Posts
August 20 2010 17:09 GMT
#4
As much as casters like to use the word all-in, 4gate is in no way an all-in, the most troublesome build that a protoss can do against me (im z btw) is a 4gate +1 weapons build where he expands after the initial push, all-in would be him majorly cutting probes, or bringing them along with him on the attack.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 17:14:06
August 20 2010 17:13 GMT
#5
you dont understand how to defend against this

you scouted the entire thing yet did nothing to stop it. even after he stole your gas you didnt react in any way. if he steals your gas then you're going to have some mineral excess to throw down another rax with your factory. you didnt repair the first bunker he destroyed even though you knew this push was coming.

learning how do deal with all in's is part of the game, which is an area you clearly lack


On August 21 2010 02:09 schiznak wrote:
As much as casters like to use the word all-in, 4gate is in no way an all-in, the most troublesome build that a protoss can do against me (im z btw) is a 4gate +1 weapons build where he expands after the initial push, all-in would be him majorly cutting probes, or bringing them along with him on the attack.


you should watch the rep, kid cuts probes at like 18
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 17:16:38
August 20 2010 17:15 GMT
#6
I feel you, I play Z, and 90% of my games vs T or P is some kind of ridiculous all-in. I'm honestly having an easier time against terran though. It's like, long skilled game = I win, and then some cheese I miss = I lose. The nerve of some of these protosses is amazing, I just lost a game because I pumped drones after he retreated from my spine/lings (lol4gate) and then the guy had hidden a robo and TC, allowing him to blink into my main. I raped all his probes with mutas but still lost cuz I had no pool/lair/spire/den.

So retarded...

I guess we just have to keep playing until we can defend every single kind of all-in in the book. I'm just wishing I could stop dieing to this stuff and climb to the skill levels where every game isn't an all-in fest.
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 17:19:59
August 20 2010 17:18 GMT
#7
On August 21 2010 02:09 schiznak wrote:
As much as casters like to use the word all-in, 4gate is in no way an all-in, the most troublesome build that a protoss can do against me (im z btw) is a 4gate +1 weapons build where he expands after the initial push, all-in would be him majorly cutting probes, or bringing them along with him on the attack.


It's pretty much an all-in against a good Zerg who doubles your worker count 10 seconds after your attack fails. If you 4gate and expand before you move out, you might as well have 3 gate expanded imo.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
August 20 2010 17:32 GMT
#8
A terran complaining about one of the other two races?
Thats...thats so hilarious

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roflpie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Estonia93 Posts
August 20 2010 17:36 GMT
#9
How am I complaining? Was looking for some advice.
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 17:41:25
August 20 2010 17:40 GMT
#10
On August 21 2010 02:36 roflpie wrote:
How am I complaining? Was looking for some advice.


Die to all-ins several hundred times. If you improve your scouting you will eventually learn to respond. Check your replays while keeping in mind what you thought was coming and what you did to prevent it. It could be your scouting, your response, or both. BTW 4gate is something to be afraid of, you can't just put some bunkers down and expect to be safe, unless its LT or steppes and he doesn't have blink/drops.
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
August 20 2010 18:09 GMT
#11
You can defend pretty much all Protoss all-ins by going for siege tanks first, the only thing that 'hard counters' it is blink-stalkers, theyre pretty ridic, but easy enough to scout if you see only a twilight council and his unit composition is mainly stalkers the rest is simple :3
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roflpie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Estonia93 Posts
August 20 2010 18:20 GMT
#12
Alright thanks, maybe I did underestimate it, should get more bunkers up next time. I've usually put a CC up, which might be the reason I die to it.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 20 2010 18:32 GMT
#13
On August 21 2010 01:46 Chill wrote:
It's not a push, it's an attack.


I don't really see anything wrong with calling it a push O-o
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
August 20 2010 18:39 GMT
#14
On August 21 2010 03:32 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 01:46 Chill wrote:
It's not a push, it's an attack.


I don't really see anything wrong with calling it a push O-o


I always thought a push was, lets say, a terran unsieging his tanks putting them forward, sieging them back and repeating the process slowly forward through the map.
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Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
August 20 2010 19:38 GMT
#15
On August 21 2010 03:39 fabiano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 03:32 SubtleArt wrote:
On August 21 2010 01:46 Chill wrote:
It's not a push, it's an attack.


I don't really see anything wrong with calling it a push O-o


I always thought a push was, lets say, a terran unsieging his tanks putting them forward, sieging them back and repeating the process slowly forward through the map.

agreed. Unless its a timing push!!!
Eiserne
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States340 Posts
August 20 2010 19:46 GMT
#16
On August 21 2010 01:46 Chill wrote:
It's not a push, it's an attack.

It's the same damn thing, unless you're elitist.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
August 20 2010 20:00 GMT
#17
you didn't react accordingly to what u saw.
you gotta adapt a little at least when you see them go such an aggressive build
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
August 20 2010 20:44 GMT
#18
On August 21 2010 01:46 Chill wrote:
It's not a push, it's an attack.


don't day9/other popular commentators call attacks pushes?

Not that it makes it right, but it seems like you won't have much luck in your crusade if that's the case
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