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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 17:42:47
July 25 2010 17:42 GMT
#21
I smell segregation.
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Really great blog. We have a lot of opinions and feelings in common!
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LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
July 25 2010 18:00 GMT
#22
Pretty much feel the same. I play SC2 because it's new, fresh and provides a challenge. And because everyone else does it.

I would probably just quit SC2 today if I wasn't so invested in this community. I could settle with watching BW VoDs. Don't get me wrong SC2 is a good game, and it's fun at times too, but it just doesn't have the same quality or feeling to it. You shouldn't feel like you're forcing yourself to play a game, ever.

I'm amazed and interested by the phenomena that is SC2. By the time that's worn off I might quit though.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
July 25 2010 18:05 GMT
#23
My only fear with sc2 has been about the community, not the game.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 25 2010 19:31 GMT
#24
I thought you meant the SC2 "casters" as in Templars and Infestors for a second... lol

Ideas is one of the few posters (probably more because I have a terrible memory) I recognize on a regular basis making good posts. I know there are a lot, but just so happens to be one I notice.

Congratulations on 5k!
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
July 25 2010 20:17 GMT
#25
I'm in the same position you are. I found the melee part of SC2 just isn't that great. I'm getting the CE (hell it's Starcraft) but I will probably just play the Campaign then UMS until I get bored. I still pop on to iCCup or even US West every now and then for a couple of games. I still follow the BW pro-scene and I'm thinking about going to Korea to see the finals of the current OSL.

I dunno, I just don't get why so many people think SC2 is as great as they make it out to be. Even the recommended casted games just aren't that interesting to watch.

I would love it if someone that genuinely thinks SC2 is a fun, dynamic game could explain why but every time I've asked people go into defensive "you just hate Blizzard" mode. I love Blizzard and I own all of their games (multiples of BW) plus I subscribed to WoW for 4 and a half years. If I hated Blizzard I would not have given them thousands of dollars of my money.

I quit WoW recently because I did not like the direction it was taking and I was tired of patches that didn't deliver. I've already had that feeling in just the beta of SC2, it just felt half assed.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 25 2010 20:27 GMT
#26
Hey Izzy! Grats on 5k.. You made it just after me and I've been here since 2004. It was cool to meet you the few times at the GT lans. Hopefully those quit being shitty so my friends and I have a reason to come again!

Don't worry too much about sc2. It seems like Korean progaming culture is a huge part of what you like about broodwar and that isn't going to move anywhere too fast.
sva
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States747 Posts
July 25 2010 21:35 GMT
#27
This is a very interesting blog and I agree with you for the most part.

I love BW and have played it for years I've never been big on posting on forums and still I am hesitant to.

I feel like many of the Sc2 casters I see haven't played the game, they don't know what half the units do and what half the buildings are for. I think this will change over time and eventually progress. I've always been huge on competitive gaming, weather it was when i played 1.6 cal m or tried climbing iccup. I think much will come out of SC2 and can't really decide what it will bring to the future of gaming.

I was disgusted with the beginning of beta, not in the game play, but in the community it brought out. Many players came from the ever trolling of azeroth (WoW) which is painful to see all the bm coincide in the game I love. I feel though that many of the bm WoW players will phase out of SC2 as it get's progressively harder. When everything starts to head to the refinement of BW. The subtle things that people miss in BW.

SC2 has a long way to go before it can become a truly great game, but I feel like it's heading that way. From things like the recent threads about void phasing, to stalker blink micro. I think in the long run we will have a great game and hope for it to happen.

Although blizzard ruined WoW making it too user friendly I have a feeling they wont be doing the same thing with SC2. ( just look at the recent hotfix of void phasing working for all charges.)

All and all lets hope for the best and phase out the bad manor children.
UberThing
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 22:21:22
July 25 2010 22:20 GMT
#28
Interesting insight bro.

As an unshamed SC2 only player, I see SC2 as an evolution from SC.

SC was wicked during the past decade, but at the end of the day you gotta move on. Times change and all those hours spent on Broodwar were probly very enjoyable. Who knows? In time u may find SC2 has the same, maybe a better appeal?

Congrats on 5k!!!!!!
Wag1
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 22:24:25
July 25 2010 22:23 GMT
#29
you can minimize forums ??? What the...
vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 22:52:44
July 25 2010 22:52 GMT
#30
On July 26 2010 07:20 UberThing wrote:SC was wicked during the past decade, but at the end of the day you gotta move on. Times change and all those hours spent on Broodwar were probly very enjoyable. Who knows? In time u may find SC2 has the same, maybe a better appeal?


Good games last forever. Look at Chess. If Chess 2.0 came out tomorrow but it wasn't as good and just had better looking, renamed pieces and even then it was more difficult to see what was going on would you say the same thing? Would you just say well we've gotta move on?

When a new car comes out but your current car is better do you buy the new one just because it is new?

I still think SC2 melee will go the way of WC3 but I would love to be proven wrong by the time both expansions are out. I just don't see it with the direction SC2 has taken.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
July 25 2010 23:08 GMT
#31
On July 26 2010 07:20 UberThing wrote:
SC was wicked during the past decade, but at the end of the day you gotta move on. Times change and all those hours spent on Broodwar were probly very enjoyable. Who knows? In time u may find SC2 has the same, maybe a better appeal?


There's an equal chance that sc2 is actually trash.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
July 25 2010 23:28 GMT
#32
5000 is a crazy amount
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 00:40:36
July 26 2010 00:31 GMT
#33
The scenario you describe is an exact mirror of my experiences and thoughts, down to the last minute details. The only difference is it was my cuz and not my bro who introduced my to multiplayer SC1 UMS.

o.o

its almost eerie.

Are you my twin?

I'm getting the CE (hell it's Starcraft) but I will probably just play the Campaign then UMS until I get bored.


ye....don't get me wrong, Starcraft 2 is still a fantastically designed game. It is blizzard after all. And its not like I've ignored every good game that wasn't an amazing "esport". But thats all it is. A good game. :/.
Too Busy to Troll!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 01:33:22
July 26 2010 01:30 GMT
#34
On July 26 2010 04:31 cursor wrote:
I thought you meant the SC2 "casters" as in Templars and Infestors for a second... lol

Ideas is one of the few posters (probably more because I have a terrible memory) I recognize on a regular basis making good posts. I know there are a lot, but just so happens to be one I notice.

Congratulations on 5k!


thanks!

On July 26 2010 05:27 Ack1027 wrote:
Hey Izzy! Grats on 5k.. You made it just after me and I've been here since 2004. It was cool to meet you the few times at the GT lans. Hopefully those quit being shitty so my friends and I have a reason to come again!

Don't worry too much about sc2. It seems like Korean progaming culture is a huge part of what you like about broodwar and that isn't going to move anywhere too fast.


you know my name is ozzie, not izzy right? lol
Free Palestine
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
July 26 2010 04:35 GMT
#35
BW forever. 5/5.

Very sad that casters have all switched to SC2... for some reason it just feels like they're being wasted there. SC2 doesn't seem to have the absolutely incredible depth that was crucial to BW's long success and constant evolution. Over a decade in, and the top BW stars are STILL creating incredible new strategies. Incredible.

IMO (very biased opinion coming here), I just think SC2 is simply... easier to survive. In SC1, if you had the wrong strat, that was it, GG, complete elimination... UNLESS you pulled some beautiful magic micro out of your ass 1a2r8esc9esc0s etc, which made for the unforgettable moments, which give us the rush we feel when we say "how the shit did I just do that". in SC2, thanks to easier macro/better unit AI, it's just... nowhere as inspiring. I survived a (typical) protoss all-in, but I felt nothing. Meh. Boring. No sense of crushing defeat or exalted victory. Just... 1a.

there's just some magic about BW that is lacking in SC2. it kinda feels like SC2 is WC3 in space. no offense to WC3 of course, loved the game for a while, but... its not STARCRAFT. Sigh. Rant over. back to work.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
July 26 2010 06:40 GMT
#36
5/5!
I actually started getting into SC:BW in 2006 one year before sc2 was announced! I wish i had gotten into it sooner :/ can't tell who the dedicated bw players are anymore. a lot just started cuz of sc2 >.>
Long live BroodWar!
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 26 2010 07:03 GMT
#37
On July 26 2010 10:30 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 04:31 cursor wrote:
I thought you meant the SC2 "casters" as in Templars and Infestors for a second... lol

Ideas is one of the few posters (probably more because I have a terrible memory) I recognize on a regular basis making good posts. I know there are a lot, but just so happens to be one I notice.

Congratulations on 5k!


thanks!

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 05:27 Ack1027 wrote:
Hey Izzy! Grats on 5k.. You made it just after me and I've been here since 2004. It was cool to meet you the few times at the GT lans. Hopefully those quit being shitty so my friends and I have a reason to come again!

Don't worry too much about sc2. It seems like Korean progaming culture is a huge part of what you like about broodwar and that isn't going to move anywhere too fast.


you know my name is ozzie, not izzy right? lol


Nah its izzy
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 16:15:55
July 26 2010 16:12 GMT
#38
As a newbie to both the Starcraft universe and TeamLiquid, I read this blog with great interest. The first thing I can say is that I sympathize deeply with your grievances.

From 2002 - 2006 I was a part of the team behind Battlefield.no, imho the best online community for EA's Battlefield franchise in my country. For me BF1942 was the ultimate game, with a fantastic community and a depth in the gameplay I had never seen anywhere else.

But then BF2 came along in 2005, and I found myself somewhat estranged by a game that was prettier but shallower, without the atmosphere of its precursor. Also, the community was bombarded with a huge influx of noobs, many of whom where bad mannered counter-strike shitkids, who did little to add value to the community. I tried my best to find an interest in BF2, but with the new reality of getting a job and moving together with my girlfiend, i kinda zoned out the whole thing in 2006. As someone said, you can never force yourself to play a game.

There is a huge process of mourning involved in letting go of a game you have invested so much into, as well as seeing a community change, and as said I think i completely think I know how you feel.

As a newcomer to this site I will say that this really is a fantastic community, well run and with so much stuff going on, that I think TL is perfectly positioned to be able to handle the new reality of SC2, without having to alienate its existing user.

As for me, I am completely unashamed in having fallen in love with SC2 which I think is an excellent game, but I am going to try and show all respect to the longtime members of this site and do my utmost to be a constructive part of TL and the sc2 community as a whole.

Whoa, wall of text. :s (This may turn into a blogpost of my own.)
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
July 26 2010 18:04 GMT
#39
I couldn't possibly agree more with your blog, I joined this site in 2007, with the announcement of SC2 being the primary reason for it though I had already been following the scene and playing BW very sporadically for a number of years.

I thought about making a similar, downtuned post about how disappointed I was about how SC2 turned out and express some of the same fears I have about where the community is going. I would've however come off too strong and excessively harsh regarding SC2 as is my style so I think it's better I just 5/5 this blog for endorsement and save myself a flame war.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
July 26 2010 21:57 GMT
#40
I feel you. Fuck SC2 and all the people trying to convert us.

Congrats on your posts. Stay strong brother.
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